SexyBeautifulOne said:

Yeah, people would still wait for the mothership to land from the orbit and pick all of us good-minded people up. Oh, wait. I'm not of African origin. I'm doomed.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

oops. Well, you know, you get my point tho.

Novabreaker said:

what are you talking about?

unkemptpueblo said:

Yes....I would like to know what you are talking about as well.....

PurpleRighteous1 said:

...actually, I didn't even know Ludacris was considered one of the tamer rappers out there because of the image he projects on a GLOBAL scale: here in Europe nudity is allowed on regular televison even for daytime; for example if you see a commericial for soap or suntanning lotion or a pregancy cream the people are always nude, but not in a sexual way. Well, with nudity not being a censor problem here, for some reason the record labels at home only release x-rated uncut versions of rap videos here on their sister networks, and rappers like Ludacris and 50 cent only have naked hip hop candy in their videos...and I DO mean NUDE... tits, ass, and all, shakin' and slappin against them, and each other...3 or 4 girls just totally naked, and greased up or doused with liquor for each guy in the video...while they rap about all sorts of crap...on top of that, rappers in this genre release a lot of porn videos here too,for which they gladly do foreign press and say the most horribly misogynistic things to reinforce their "playa" images...

I don't know if you all have had chance to see some of these "side projects", but the pop media is totally inundated with those images here and I think it's a horrible representation for black American men and women on the international playing field. We've got 8 year old kids running around here saying "beeyatch" every time they see a black woman, not knowing it's a bad word, nor do their parents because English is not their native language and they just presume it's normal, or a term of endearment because it's part of the pop culture imported from the States My neighbor had to ask me what some of the language on MTV videos meant because all the kids in his son's kindergarden were singing the songs and he wondered if he should carry the records in his stores...his son, who is starting English in school wanted to impress one day after getting one of my homemade pieces of cake; he proceeded to tell me in his native language with his new American rap terminology included, that I was the best "gangsta" ever, and that he wanted to take a big boat to America and make parties with all the ganstas at the swimming party, but only if they had cake and kindersekt (kiddie cider, like a substitute for champagne)....now somebody please tell me what is wrong with this imagery???? And how much are we responible for projecting this into the world as a definition of our culture as black Americans?

Ottensen said:

Americans don't know about stuff like this. Thanks for posting.

Graycap23 said:

I bet she has no idea Will Smith's production company had a hand in TI's movie "ATL"...Hmmm?

Graycap23 said:

A little silly comment from me, but I've sometimes posted similar things here before.

Sometimes when I see Malcolm X brought up in a totally irrational relation at these forums all I can wonder is do some of you even know what Malcolm X's beliefs were? The original dogma of the Nation of Islam (by Elijah Mohammed), where his spiritual upbringing was from, was even more lunatic than that of Scientologists'. A major part of that very bizarre interpretation of prophecies was that Black people were originally extra-terrestrial creatures and suppressed by the earthly white devil.

Malcolm X might have been an important figure to the Civil Rights Movement in the states, but c'mon, he shouldn't be brought up at every single occasion. The guy was totally off his head.
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Novabreaker said:

Don't get me started. Anyone can sit back with a historical perspective and slam anything they want. ANY Black man that stands on his OWN 2 feet and tell the ENEMY he is NOT going to take his shit is alright by me. Flaws and all.

Graycap23 said:

He's talkin' 'bout da muthaship, baby-bubbuh! Right on! Can ya dig it? Sho nuff!

Graycap23 said:

I guess my point is that the black man is quite unlikely an extra-terrestrial creature and that the ENEMY is not really the devil. I actually have no idea to what extent did Malcolm X reject those aspects of his later teachings (my guess is he never spoke of them after leaving Elijah Mohammed's organization), or that did he even believe in them . But yep, sure, the guy really believed in spaceships. How much slack am I willing to give an intellectual figure like that? I don't speak 100% kindly of Martin Heidegger either, altough revisionist history writing would like him to come off as a defender of humanity.

Novabreaker said:

Honestly I could say the same about people that believe in an invisible GOD and a book that is a TOTAL fabrication, the Bible. But I won't because humans are EXTREMELY flawed and tend to believe in damn near ANYTHING. His beliefs do not short change his message.

Graycap23 said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Testify!!!

Novabreaker said:

....But what about THE Malcolm X that return to the USA AFTER his trip through Mecca (where he notice black & white muslims from around the world) & Africa?


THAT my friend is THE real Malcolm X that I choose to remember the most. Because THIS Malcolm is the one who did admit that he was wrong to think that blacks & white can never co-exist and made every opputunity to correct himself.

And BTW, THIS was the same Malcolm X that also accepted the reality that Elijah Muhammed NEVER took the civil rights movement seriously at all....because the old man (Elijah) was only in it for the money and the UNDERage girls that he had affairs with!!!!

TonyVanDam said:

But you're missing the point; El-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz was STILL a Black leader, his views on THAT didn't change. The people here are talking about how X would stand up to these rappers that call women bitches and hoes and then put Opie in her place as well.

Ottensen said:

This kinda shit kills me Reminds me of the story Oprah tells about going to Africa & having the doorman say, "Whatsup niggas?" b/c he thought that was the way to greet Black Americans. We are fucking up the world perception w/ this bullshit, we are fucking up our children w/ this bullshit, all so a few muthafuckas can profit. It's fucking sickening

Oprah has the power to bitch-slap Tom Cruise for jumpin' all over her couch, but would rather bitch-slap Ludacris, who has made a quite remarkable transition into acting.....FIERCE!!!!! I'd like to see her go one-on-one with Charlton Heston and see who would get PUNK'D!!!!!
GO OPRAH!!!!!
PSYCH!!!!!

woogiebear said:

Why would she bitch-slap Tom Cruise? That's probably the most memorable tv moment from last year - she ain't mad @ him. That was great/bizarre/humiliating television

Well somebody gotta say it..might as well b me..

Oprah is a cunt.

woogiebear said:

if a brother would done that.....

Graycap23 said:

And I think we ALL know who that brotha would be...

StoneCrib said:

lol no doubt.

CalhounSq said:

BECAUSE.....Somebody oughta!!!!! Boy is crazier than batshit & stupider than Jupiter!!!!! Crazy white man can put his feet all over your couch, but young black man can't diversify his portfolio???? In the words of her memorable character from "The Color Purple", "I SAID.....HELL NAW!!!!!"

Graycap23 said:

She'd DEFINITELY pimp-slap Cuba!!!!!

PurpleRighteous1 said:

yea i get cha

Novabreaker said:

i agree that malcolm being brought up in this discussion was a bit off however, dude was not wacka wacka! after he made the hajj (and even lil b4) he saw the light and left the noi

TonyVanDam said:

exactly

Graycap23 said:

yall leave my man alone!

CalhounSq said:

My sentiments exactly