whoknows said:

I think "Drowned World/Substitute For Love" is one of the Top 5 Madonna songs ever.The candid lyrics,the arrangement,her Evita-styled vocals....90s pop music doesn't get any better than this! Honestly,when this CD came out,I stopped listening to her 80s albums.This album is MILES ahead of her previous albums.

Only a hardcore Madonna fan could possibly think this. This illustrates the dangers of becoming too obsessed with a particular artist. You lose all sense of perspective.If you can find the Favourite Prince song thread you'll see what happens to Prince fans with the same problem. Someone actually named "Loose" as one of their favourite P songs.I'm not kidding,"Loose"! That's what happens when you spend so long with your head in an artist's waters that you forget to come up for oxygen. I recommend you stay away from Madonna for a while. Try listening to Kate Bush- The Whole Story or Hounds Of Love, Joni Mitchell- Court and Spark or an old fashioned Motown compilation. Come back to Madonna when you've got a wider frame of reference.

DavidEye said:

Only a hardcore Madonna fan could possibly think this. This illustrates the dangers of becoming too obsessed with a particular artist. You lose all sense of perspective.If you can find the Favourite Prince song thread you'll see what happens to Prince fans with the same problem. Someone actually named "Loose" as one of their favourite P songs.I'm not kidding,"Loose"! That's what happens when you spend so long with your head in an artist's waters that you forget to come up for oxygen. I recommend you stay away from Madonna for a while. Try listening to Kate Bush- The Whole Story or Hounds Of Love, Joni Mitchell- Court and Spark or an old fashioned Motown compilation. Come back to Madonna when you've got a wider frame of reference.

When 'Ray Of Light' was released,there were rumors of a planned remix album.Madonna even mentioned it herself in several interviews.It was titled Veronica Electronica (the name of the alter ego that Maddy came up with for this project) and was set to be released in late 1998 or early 1999.It was supposed to be a 2-CD set.The project was cancelled,but here is the rumored tracklist:

VERONICA ELECTRONICA
CD1 (Veronica)

"Frozen" (Thunderpuss 2000 Vocal Remix)
"Candy Perfume Girl" (Tee's Freeze Mix)
"Nothing Really Matters" (Club 69 Speed Bump Mix)
"Ray Of Light" (Hani's Num Club Mix)
"Sky Fits Heaven" (Victor Calderone 12" Mix)
"Skin" (Orbit's Flirtation Mix)
"The Power Of Goodbye" (Fabien's Club Mix)
"Drowwned World" (BT and Sasha's Alternate Vocal Mix)

CD2 (Electronica)
"Little Star" (Roni Size Project Dub)
"Nothing Really Matters" (187 Lockdown Future Vox Dub)
"To Have And Not To Hold" (Daft Punk Remix)
"Swim" (Attica Blues Dubstrumental)
"Frozen" (Way Out West Mix #1)
"Shanti/Ashlangi" (Talvin Singh Anokha Dub)
"Drowned World" (Orbit's Liquid Mix)
"Ray Of Light" (Sasha's Nite At Twildo Dub)

Don't know whatever happened to this project,but my theory is that it was planned as a promotional CD for the 1999 'Ray Of Light' tour which never materialized.She cancelled the tour and chose to make a movie ("The Next Best Thing") instead.Thus,the remix album was cancelled as well.

Only a hardcore Madonna fan could possibly think this. This illustrates the dangers of becoming too obsessed with a particular artist. You lose all sense of perspective.If you can find the Favourite Prince song thread you'll see what happens to Prince fans with the same problem. Someone actually named "Loose" as one of their favourite P songs.I'm not kidding,"Loose"! That's what happens when you spend so long with your head in an artist's waters that you forget to come up for oxygen. I recommend you stay away from Madonna for a while. Try listening to Kate Bush- The Whole Story or Hounds Of Love, Joni Mitchell- Court and Spark or an old fashioned Motown compilation. Come back to Madonna when you've got a wider frame of reference.

whoknows said:

That's ridiclious; Drowned World/Substitute For Love is one of Madonna's best songs. The way it builds toward the middle section, and then explodes into her perfect vocals is amazing; as an opening track, it completely sets the tone for the rest of the album. Musically, it's one of Madonna's most interesting tracks. Plus, despite the arguments over whether or not Ray Of Light was an "authentic" look at Madonna's life, the song feels true.

I think Drowned World ranks up there with Justify My Love, Secret, and Borderline as one of Madonna's best mid-tempo songs.

Yeah. Musical 1st graders mostly.

wow.

hey, everyone, its music. its all subjective. there's no need to get pissy about it.

Her "PERFECT VOCALS"?! Nigger please! The bitch sounds like Julie Andrews but without the lung power.

sallysassalot said:

It's the (somewhat) direct insults that have me pissy, not the musical discussion.

Her "PERFECT VOCALS"?! Nigger please! The bitch sounds like Julie Andrews but without the lung power.

whoknows said:

Perfect-for-the-song-vocals. I can't imagine this song being over emoted by Mariah, or being sung without feeling by Whitney. I think this is one of Madge's all time best vocal performances.
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I can't imagine why you're getting so upset that a number of Orgers really like "Drowned World". It's just a song; nothing to get all that upset by.

madartista said:

i honestly don't believe we've ever, ever, ever had a peek at the real madonna. sometimes i wonder if madonna has even had a peek at the real madonna. all we've ever seen is the character she wanted to be at any given time. maybe...and i think its a BIG maybe...she's used her real self as a starting point from which to exagerate and build from.

personally, i think she has distanced herself from her past - and her former life - so much that she is desperately trying to be anyone but herself. yeah, i know this gives a whole new meaning to "pop psychology." she moved to new york and created a new accent. she's constantly reinventing herself...to the point now where she pretends she's british. until she pretends she's asian, you can't get a whole lot further from detroit than europe!

i honestly don't believe we've ever, ever, ever had a peek at the real madonna. sometimes i wonder if madonna has even had a peek at the real madonna. all we've ever seen is the character she wanted to be at any given time. maybe...and i think its a BIG maybe...she's used her real self as a starting point from which to exagerate and build from.

personally, i think she has distanced herself from her past - and her former life - so much that she is desperately trying to be anyone but herself. yeah, i know this gives a whole new meaning to "pop psychology." she moved to new york and created a new accent. she's constantly reinventing herself...to the point now where she pretends she's british. until she pretends she's asian, you can't get a whole lot further from detroit than europe!

sallysassalot said:

The manufactured Madonna is the real Madonna. I don't think she is pretending just to pretend, as much as she truly is seeking herself. And I agree with your assesment that this search has been going on since day one. As a fan, I think I forgot how far removed she is from her earlier self until I happened upon the Live Aid DVD this week. Yow-zaa. That was a completely different person. But I admire them both, and I think the transformation is fascinating. For a power and fame hungry pop superstar, she could do much worse. The journey from Detroit to Europe isn't as far as the one from Indiana to Neverland ranch.

VinnyM27 said:

what's funny is,everytime Maddy releases a new album,there are rumors of a remix album.Actually,with the last two album,we got them...

American Life/Remixed and Revisted

Confessions On A Dancefloor/Confessions Remixed 3-LP vinyl set

DavidEye said:

Only a hardcore Madonna fan could possibly think this. This illustrates the dangers of becoming too obsessed with a particular artist. You lose all sense of perspective.If you can find the Favourite Prince song thread you'll see what happens to Prince fans with the same problem. Someone actually named "Loose" as one of their favourite P songs.I'm not kidding,"Loose"! That's what happens when you spend so long with your head in an artist's waters that you forget to come up for oxygen. I recommend you stay away from Madonna for a while. Try listening to Kate Bush- The Whole Story or Hounds Of Love, Joni Mitchell- Court and Spark or an old fashioned Motown compilation. Come back to Madonna when you've got a wider frame of reference.

DavidEye said:

I want these remixes, even if they're not real.

i respect everyone's opinion but i just don't understand the hype over substitute for love. i've never thought much of it and always thought it was a weak opening (though appropriate for that record).

whoknows said:

Oh please...I listen to everything from Santana to Fleetwood Mac,and I think I have EVERY Motown compilation that was ever released.Obviously,you haven't been on this site very long,lol.Music is subjective and we all have different tastes.If a Prince fan thinks that "Loose!" is one of his best songs,then that's their opinion.Deal with it.I happen to think that "Drowned World/Substitute For Love" is one of Madonna's finest songs,and I know MANY people who agree with me.

sallysassalot said:

I was surprised that she would open an album with a slower song like this.She usually starts her albums with a big,uptempo number.I think at an early stage,the title track was planned as the first song.But it all works out."Drowned World" grabs the listener and let you know immediately that you're in for a real emotional journey.She will be performing an acoustic version of this song on her upcoming tour.

i'm hoping that's just a rumor. shit, opening the drowned world tour with it was bad enough.

sallysassalot said:

loving the avatar.

and its almost as though he's pointing...at YOU!

sallysassalot said:

What are you suggesting?

Martinelli said:

were you in the studio? if not, how are you so sure of this?

i'm sorry but when ol' girl showed up at the mtv awards singing ray of light/shanti ashtangi, she sounded like a dying cat. please don't tell me she did not have some studio work done to her vocals. i know she liked to use the excuse "i decided to be a dancer that night and not a singer" but that's some boolshit!

its all good. i still love 'er!