lazycrockett said:

I don't know what happened, I was just commenting that a lot of people immediately jumped to the conclusion that Proof must have brought it on himself because he's a rapper. Like I said, I was even one of them, thinking that not many rock groups have had two members violently assaulted/killed. And then I remembered the Beatles.

And even if he did something to start it, it's still a tragedy. The fact that there are so many damn guns in this world is a tragedy. This whole society is a tragedy at times.

lazycrockett said:

And another contributional "proof" of someone who witnessed every detail of what happened that night .
... i guess reservations are available for first class ticket-seats in eternity when happily retiring from life after spitting ones narrowminded conclusions .

It's awfully quiet on this thread all of a sudden. Where are all the people that have been sticking up for this man's lifestyle?
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just to reiterate my point. wqhy are so many people such wankers? fuck sake!
[Edited 4/12/06 13:33pm]

http://www.detnews.com/ap.../604120371


http://www.clickondetroit...etail.html



http://www.mercurynews.co...327030.htm

lazycrockett said:

BRAVO EINSTEIN !
You'll win the first prize .

wavesofbliss said:

EVEN if there is "proof" , we all know how fucked up the media can be too .
Too many times brothers have been labeled in the media for frenzied hype .
I know there's a lot of misery going on in the projects .... lots of growing up generations aren't financially able to break the circle they're circling in , which can lead to crime .
A good project that had already been started was by a famous crump-dancer in ( i believe) Crenshaw .
He tried to get new generations battle each other in a positive way .
I'm not updated how alive that community is right now , but it has made some positive results in the past .

And if one thinks that senseless violence is only happening in projects should focus more world-widely .
Even longer there is a war going on in Israel , where people in their prime of their life let themselves brainwash , with the result that they tape themselves with explosives which they let go off in public places .


And let's not forget that a few century's ago , Afro-American people were lynched purely for their color of skin .... a sad page in history and "proof" that such violence lives among every race .

WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, MAY PROOF REST IN PEACE!!!!! KEEP YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS IN YOUR PANTIES!!!!! NEXT?????

MorehouseMan said:

The responses may come acorss clear to you and I but not to the site moderators for the most part. I can't believe this thread isn't locked.

http://www.eonline.com/Ne...tml?fdnews

And dont get all up on me,


cause I'm just linking news articles on the crime that has left one person dead and another on life support and not expected to survive.
[Edited 4/12/06 15:38pm]

This whole thing is just so damn sad on so many levels. My heart aches for all of the brothers in America who never make it to middle age because of gun violence. It makes me sick to my stomach. Gun violence is the leading cause of death for young African-American males. Regardless of who shot first, this incident is only a microcosm of a much larger problem. We have to change the culture in urban America and the only people that can change it are the people who live, work, and play in urban America.


This $hit is just FUCKED UP!!!!!

dreamfactory313 said:

Even as it comes out that he may have shot someone first, he still has a family. I heard he has a wife and 5 kids. That's who I feel sorry for the most.

YES, YES!!!!! Condolences to his wife & kids. Regardless of OUR opinions, THEY are the ones hurt by this tragedy the MOST!!!!!

Romera said:

I really like Chicago. I saw a couple of things on WGN news about Englewood. There alway seems to be some ill $hit going on. We have got to find ways to calm this culture of violence. There isnt a single person anywhere whose life hasnt been touched by it.

woogiebear said:

Exactly.

purplecam said:

I know. Talk radio in Detroit has been dominated by this story the last 2 days. People who knew Proof are saying how much of a family man he was. I wish his kids well. They are going to need all of the help they can get, as well as the other man who is clinging to life as I type this.

dreamfactory313 said:

A dear friend of mine tried very hard to get something up and running for the residents of Englewood: a community center, a job training center, anything but he couldn't get it funded. There is a culture of despair here but what else can it be when people keep getting killed on the same corners even though there are two police stations in the vicinity? It keeps getting proven, time and time again that nobody cares about us (Englewood).

dreamfactory313 said:

I grew up in the englewood area of Chicago, we moved there by the age of 12 till I was a teenager. Im glad im here to talk with you guys now.


Life is fragile, regardless of how some of us feel about a person lifestyle nobody should just be written off as just another "thug".

His friends and family will be in my prayers.

kisscamille said:

CORRECTION: I wouldn't exactly call D12 a gangsta rap group. They're a dark comedy rap/pop act.

However, Proof does have that stereotypical "gulity until proven innocent" image. I'm not saying it's right. But THAT'S EXACTLY how the mostly white news media are going to broadcast it.
[Edited 4/12/06 17:10pm]

purplecam said:

My theory: Eminem is think of a comeback album real soon.

TonyVanDam said:

Sorry, don't mean to make light, but I can't feel too bad about his divorce.

How bout Condolences to the man HE shot? and his family?

No one has mentioned them yet?!

lazycrockett said:

Did you give your condolences to them? Okay then.

TonyVanDam said:

I was watching the news last night and the tv station had a cameraman at St. John's Hospital and caught footage of Eminem leaving the hospital with a small entourage. He looked sick, as pale as a ghost.
[Edited 4/12/06 17:33pm]

dreamfactory313 said:

EXACTLY!

lazycrockett said:

It's because of your ignorant BS post like beneath .
What comz around goes around .

lazycrockett said:

lazycrockett said:

What's really fucking with me about this nonsense is how the police, the media and folks with too much damn time on their hands are so quick to believe the people that have the most to loose.

The people involved in the shooting operated the club, but if what they're are claiming is true, then why wasn't ANYONE at the club when the police arrived.

No one that can do a damn thing about it is going to question that though because it's much easier to put the blame on Proof. After all, he was just another rapper so he must have been a thug and got just what he deserved, right?
[Edited 4/13/06 4:59am]

I dont entirely believe that shit about Proof knocking dude to the ground and then shooting him. There have been several different accounts on what they say occured. One story saids Proof and the bouncer were pointing guns at each other, another story saids that a third bouncer was involved. Another story acutally said Proof pinned him to the ground and shot him. All we know is we're just gettin one side of the story, and its from the person thats alive. So sadly, we're never gonna know what truely occured that night.

And all witnesses are goin to remain anoynomous for two reasons: 1) this no snitchin code of the street which means no cooperating with cops, and 2) the club was running illegally after the city cerfew anyway, so the police are probably gonna wanna why they were out after cerfew. So these witness could be absolutely anybody.

But one thing for sure is that the guy that shot and killed Proof is just signed his own death certificate. Proof wasnt no gangsta, but he was well-respected in the streets of Detroit.

Prospect said:

True that! I also heard on the radio this morning that before Proof pulled his gun and fired someone else had fired a shot that didn't hit anyone but the newspapers and websites aren't reporting that.
[Edited 4/13/06 8:51am]

And the Great Proof Conspiracy begins.

lazycrockett said:

Does it give you some sort of self-satisfaction that you were right in the way another human died? Wanna say 'I told you so', too? thumb your nose at us?

Go ahead. it says a lot about YOU.

It ain't a damn thing funny about this.