dustysgirl said:

really? do u have more info?

catpark said:

yeah i thouhgt this was to memomrialize proof and mull over the whole situation and we got finger pointing, accusations and 2 "fuck allyall"s

no matter how you live or what you rap about- no one deserves to be shot in the head. murdered. especially if they were not, themselves, violent. human life is more valuable than that. shot in the street. . . . no one should die that way.

catpark said:

Where is that info coming from? If yo live in the D, hten you have heard the people who were with Proof on the morning of the shooting. No one reported anything of the sort. Why the hell are people trying to play him like that? He was not a THUG, he was chilling and someone took him out for no apparent reason other than for street cred. There have been several other Detroit rappers who have been shot or murdered over the last year....some crazy shit is happening around the city and it needs to stop!


Smooches;)

Christ, this is a pathetic place to visit these days.

i dont understand how people can be a fan of someone who they build prejudiced, ignorant, racist and discriminative off of the race he is also apart of. people are so stupid. stereotypes are so 1980's, really now, surely people realize that not all rappers are killers, if that the case, all rockers are satan worshipers, all alternative singers are pot smoking modern day hippies, all country singers are boozed out rednecks and so on...when does the state of mind get a rest?

Romera said:

Exactly. Before I joined the org, I always assumed Prince's fans were the most open-minded and tolerant ones. I thought that how it was going to be on the org too, but I was wrong. People on here are prejudiced and stereotyping and they embedded really good. Also some people on here does show their true colors without realizing it.

Anyone who categorized Proof and D-12 as gangsta rapper or a group who glorify violence doesn't know shit about their music.

Although I am not making excuses about rap and violence and I am not into modern rap (2000-present), but I really liked D-12. And they never promote violence their music was all about fun and entertainment. I don't recalled Proof had violent lyrics in his music either. The ones who are making igorant comments need to think twice before you think. Oh I guess it is much easier to sit behind some computer spewing prejudiced bs.

RIP Proof.

Romera said:

I'll admit, I've seen some stuff like that here before and it was just as wrong and disturbing but with this case, it really bothered me because I've listened to some of D-12s' music and I don't recall hearing any violent lyrics from them (I could be wrong), especially Proof, so to hear people just assume that because he was a rapper, he was automatically violent and he got what he deserved just really bothered me. I'm not going to act like I've haven't done the same thing in the past with people but I realize that I was wrong. The whole thing is just sad. My prayers go out to Proof's family and friends.
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[Edited 4/12/06 8:16am]

To criticize someone’s lifestyle during a time of death is cold, tacky, callous and condescending. A life lost is a life lost. How precious is that? Regardless of how some of you may feel about his alleged lifestyle. He had living relatives old and young,friends, and probably even fans that cared about him deeply.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. What if someone pointed out all of some of you guys vices in your time of passing. Would you want us to remember the good or just talk about the bad? And in this case most of us don't know him personally to judge in the first place.

kisscamille said:

You post about someone getting what they deserve and refer to people as 'these' people and you say you think this a patheitc place to visit? It's because of posts like yours that some really good people at the Org left.

purplecam said:

Therein lies the problem. When stuff like this happens on the Org, it's up to everyone to stop it, not just in particular instances.

dustysgirl said:

unfortunately, I just read this on Detriot's Free Press website.

Does not take way from the fact that he was stereotyped before the truth came out.


I applaud those of you who see the good in people before jumping to conclusions.

Romera said:

I think I have said something in the past. I totally agree with you, we all should be coming together to stop the ignorance when it pops up and I will do more myself.
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Romera said:

Gee, I didn't know I had that much influence. If only I could influence people to stop carrying guns and shooting people and acting like thugs. Wouldn't that be great!

MsMisha319 said:

Thanks for clarifying. That was the first report I heard.

http://www.freep.com/apps.../frontpage

Rapper shot other man before being gunned down, police say

Detroit rapper Proof was shot and killed after he pistol whipped and shot a 35-year-old Detroit man in a club operating illegally after hours, Detroit police said Wednesday.


hmmmm.

lazycrockett said:

It's awfully quiet on this thread all of a sudden. Where are all the people that have been sticking up for this man's lifestyle?

As Bob Would Say, " Your quiet now?, Uh huh".

no its not. it still doesn't make it any better that someone got killed.

brownsugar said:

I don't believe that anyone has said it makes it any better. Where do you get that from? I just want to know why so many people here stuck up for a thug like this?

brownsugar said:

Exactly. Plus, I already said a few posts up that the story behind the shooting was true. And I said before that it doesn't change the fact that the man was judged before the facts came out.

I guess some of you can take comfort that he died like he should have huh?

Bottomline is that NO ONE here on the forum was at that place at that time .
And still there is a lot of guessing & wondering going around here what " could " have happened .
It's wasteless energy really .
All my thoughts to his family , friends and other victims in the past that were unfortunate to be at the wrong place at the wrong time .
And all hope to a better and less violent community which has seperated too much families already.
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/S...index.html

It's amazing how much emotion is on both sides of this issue. Without knowing the facts of the case, so many are quick to make sweeping generalizations about what happened.

In *this* particular case, something happened that resulted in Proof's death.

How we go beyond that to say that all rappers are violent thugs or that all rappers are sweet-faced saints or that all whites hate blacks or all blacks hate whites or all prince.orgers are racists, is just wild.

I hate it when anyone is hurt much less killed, but we have had a growing problem in our neighborhoods going back at least fifty years where hotheads are celebrated and peacemakers are derided as being "soft".

I grew up in East New York in the 70's which I'm sure is just like Watts was in the 60's or Newark was in the 90's. Our young people have to learn that not every slight is a killing offense and that gunpowder is not the answer to anything.

That's true both inside and *outside* the rap world, in every community, black, white, latino, and asian.

As for the org, let's just get back to loving on the music, people.

Romera said:

In reading your responses, I must say that your patience is amazing. The genesis for many of these responses comes across quite clear.

kisscamille said:

nobody is sticking up for him. just sending condolences good grief!!

brownsugar said:

Well "good grief" indeed. I think you should go back and re-read some of the comments here. Yes, there are many condolences, but many have also stuck up for him too.

MsMisha319 said:

This was reported on Channel 4 News in Detroit this morning. They were talking to a Detroit News reporter.

This is from clickondetroit.com: "Police have not released details of their investigation, but witnesses said Proof pulled out a gun and shot Bender, and then someone else shot Proof, Local 4 reported."
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kisscamille said:

Why are you drawing such conclusions when you not even know what exactly happened , let alone knowing him personally ?

Very sad.

And while I have to admit that I initially thought it was telling that two members of the same band had been shot, and silly to think it had nothing to do with lifestyle, I had to remind myself that John Lennon was shot & killed, and George Harrison was stabbed. They certainly didn't "live by the gun." So it's not fair to assume that Proof did either.

And even if he did, it doesn't lessen the tragedy at all.

John Lennon nor George Harrison,

were pistol whipping and shooting someone in a bar.!!
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