the only song that Madge has ever done that makes her worth anything is "material girl"...for no other reason could she be all that... unless you can convince me otherwise?
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OOoOooOoo...you're gonna get it!!! YOU

sinisterpentatonic said:

you should see my other thread... they're gonna feed me to the hounds.
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Which other thread?

You really don't like anything Madonna's done other than the song "Material Girl"? No "Vogue" or "Ray of Light" or the new album?



Edit: WTF? could some mod delete that empty post above this one? Thanks in advance!
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CandaceS said:

yes. that's what i said. she has done other mediocre songs, but what outstanding songs or whatever did she do that makes her """"MADONNA!? what outstanding contribution has she made? all i remember is her hair styles>>> like her music is worth listening to? i enjoy 'die another day' and her new album very much. but i'm talking about earlier in her career, what made her?
okay, and ofcourse 'like a virgin' is high quality.
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I used to like her alot back in the day. Her music is alright now. I like her album. She's a strong, intelligent woman which I look up to for sure. I also LOVED the movies Who's that girl and Desperatly Seeking Susan. Oooh they were great!

But I admire her for the buisness woman she is ....but yet she gets on my nerves at times.

I have almost nothing but respect for the decisions Madonna has made and the smarts she has retained through the course of her career, and all the classic (pop) music she's provided us for more than two decades. Not to sound cliche'd, but if there's anybody who really deserves the queen's crown of the genre, it's unquestionably her.

However, not to sound like a hypocrite, seeing as how she and Janet were two of my favorites when I first came here, it's personally kind of annoying to me how there's a thread on each of them seemingly every other day and how some orgers seem to worship them and debate over them (or one of them) almost as if they're the Second Coming(s) of Christ (if Christ had boobs). Again, I used to do the same thing to an extent, and it's not the orgers' taste in them itself that works my nerves, it's the constant hype, and not just here, either.

It's sort of what caused me to hang up my fan-caps for both artists. I was already getting sick of music with too much pop flavor, anyway, so to continue to see such hype and love for them everywhere was what prompted me to move on to other acts.

chunky said:

So you don't like her.. big deal. Why should people try to convince you to like something you have no interest in.

Believe it or not,despite Prince being a musical genius and pioneer there are a lot of people that don't "get" him.

she invented the word Justify for one of her songs.

I don't have to justify my tastes to anyone. If you don't like her, ain't no concern to me.

it ain't that serious, you know? so you don't like her. cool. i don't like brussels sprouts. it ain't no kinda thing.

If all that you think is "material Girl" is the best things and only thing done worthwhile, there really is no debate except for EVERYTHING she's done since that.

One doesn't have to justify madonna, I mean if you don't know or don't get what she's done then you just don't. She didn't become the icon she is...just because she has nice hair and cute outfits.
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lucky star is lovely

chunky said:

The question is: Why do YOU need to be convinced? Any of us who like her have no need to justify it, so it's pretty much entirely on you here.

jtfolden said:

because i have no idea what's going on? as a total out-sider i'm asking for simple insight. this is confusing because she has all this fan-support whereas other artists don't, what's the difference? what's the deal? others come and go but she's hailed like a goddess, why? maybe it's not the music, you see i'm thinking it's because of her smarts now. It's because she's business-woman.. also read that she's provocative?... really, i want to know because from where i stand maybe i'm missing something?
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chunky said:

Well, probably on the most basic level... I think Madonna appeals to different people for a combination of reasons. It's not JUST the music, or JUST her attitude, or JUST her business savy, etc... It's the whole package, and if one aspect of her is lacking at any given time, she still has the rest to fall back on.

The music of hers that I like most has come later in her career. I can see where image and business smarts might have propped her up early on but everything since Like A Prayer has been, generally, pretty top notch imo. I, also, think her drive and ambition is worthy of note. There might be things that Madonna is not 'great' at but she honestly seems to strive to be good in those areas. She really does challenge herself and try to give her fans something more than just trendy bubblegum pop.

I don't have to "Justify My Love" for Madonna!! Get it!!

I don't c what the fuss is about, Prince makes a fuss out of everything.

rainbowchild said:

Madonna rocks big time! and if u cant see that or understand it still after all her years at the top of her game then u'll never will. whats the point in asking? why do u need convincing? i think Madonna is self explanatory enough.
Ask them at www.madonnatribe.com

ok...1 thing about Madonna is..if you are totally mainstream...one might even say rural...out in the boonies...she makes people aware of things that are "cool", thought provoking, and a little bit mind expanding. She has made people aware of women sexuality and sexuality in general, AIDS, gay, bisexual, lesbian, (yes a lot of her focus has been on sex...but that's ok), religion, spirituality. SHe has really touched on a lot of things other than her music (which is great esp in the 90's).

SHe is not the founder of really anything nor is she the best at anything...though I might add she is pretty good at singing and dancing and almost anything she puts her mind to...well not acting She is however, a girl from Michigan who had a dream to make it all real make it big. And by hook and by crook, she did it. And made some great decisions on the way. For me, just the breadth of all she has set out to accomplish and do and DID is severely breathtaking. And that is respectable. SHe has many facets and pieces that you can scutinize all you want (you either like it or you don't), but the fact that she is where she is by being who she is makes her so great.

It's almost something that is impossible to achieve these days without a lot of money. I almost want to say she is the last of that breed (along with people like Oprah)...where you can go from nothing to something big. I can say this...back in the day whan Madonna was starting out...you HAD to have some talent and it helped if you had some gumption too.

I can't wait when she qualifies and inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and have the last laugh on the haters...

chunky said:

Yeah ,well ... ... wasn't there a HUGE thread about this some half year ago ?
I mean , if U don't like it , U don't like it .
Take a dive in the 2005 forum-archive , search for the " Madonna Hate Thread " or whatever it was called and you'll find all the remaining answers over there .

Krystal666 said:

thats exactly how i feel about her, i'm was a huge fan back in the day and even now i take a interest in her. But i also find her annoying too, because i'm from the UK they treat her likes she's the saviour of popular music, it's quite sickening. she could release a piece of turd for her first single of her next album and it would 100% go in the UK top five.
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mancabdriver said:

I'll admit she has a knack for recognizing trends before they become popular but yeah the UK press does seem to give her entirely too much credit!

It's strange that you mention Material Girl, because I think that's one of her worst songs.

Btw, I dislike Madonna as well. She just doesn't appeal to me, no grudge. The one thing I do respect about her is her knowledge of what's hot right now or even what's gonna be hot in a few years time.

DarlingDiana said:

I think Madonna is an easy target. She puts herself out there and makes you take an opinion. I can diss her until the cows come home, but I also own like six of her cds and think she's great. She's the only real artist in her genre(dance pop) who actually sings instead of lip-syching her concerts. I'm looking at you, Janet and Britney. Maybe she's not the best at anything, but she worked hard to get where she is.

People don't hang around by accident in show business. Madonna, U2 and Prince have all had staying power. Even if you don't like them, you have to acknowledge they possess talent or they would've been forgotten by now. There's a reason people still give a shit about them.
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