Will Mariah beat out the Beatles in number one hits before she turns forty?

http://www.newyorker.com/...crmu_music

I like when she hits those record-breaking notes.

CinisterCee said:

It's a lullaby for dolphins

728huey said:

Maybe, but will she have the legacy and impact of the Beatles? Absolutely not.
This is the problem with people putting so much emphasis on records sales and chart positions. And Mariah Carey is the prime example of it.

and if she does big deal....

The facts are the beatles #1's were all done in a 6 year period, Mariah's been around for 16 years.

By the time she's 40??? Beatles had that "record" before they were 30 years old.

they are 2 different time periods,

IMO Mariah is a ballad queen ( the whoa is me I love you comeback to me, is really getting old) I can't beleive the public still buys into that shit!!

EXCELLENT points avasdad and jayaredee. It irks me when Mariah's promo team kicks it into gear with her supposed "records"...

I totally agree. Though I like MC, she can never be in the same breath as the Beatles. The Beatles did what they did in a much much shorter time period, also there wasnt the channels available today that were back then, Mtv, Vh1, BET, all of these ways to get people to see and hear you. Nowadays everything is owned so its very easy to get airplay if your label is willing to pay the station enough money.

I look at this comparison the same way I look at the Barry Bonds vs Hank Aaron topic, the what if Barry passes Hank, once again two people that shouldnt be in the same breath. Hank was just a normal guy who used to hit homeruns out of BIGGER ballparks and with no Outside help. Barry, well, we all know what he and so many others have done. Case Closed.

lastdecember said:

Um, Barry Bonds is a cheater. So, how do him and Hank equal Mariah/Beatles. Nowhere in that article did it imply that Mariah was on par w/ them musically. However, it noted that she was getting closer to a record they established. It's perfectly okay when somebody recounts Madonna, Prince, Whitney Houston, or any other artists accomplishments. But, when it comes to Mariah people can't wait to yell how irrelevant she is despite her accomplishments. You could make the point that Mariah's P.R. just smacks people in the face too often. However, every artist has the ready to go PR out there 24/7. It's just you people have a tolerance for certain artist's PR over others. How many articles do we get about Madonna's incredible knack for reinvention? Or, how wild Angelina has turned saint by wanting to adopt half the world. Nobody bats an eyelash at those.

It should also be noted that in the later half of the Beatles career, their records cost more than those of their competitors. Sony (and later Virgin) began selling Mariah's singles for next to nothing to help get her to #1.

roundables said:

Well good point but I view PR as a form of cheating. Lets be serious, the more money U can put into PR the more attention u are gonna get. Musically nothing can be more apart than MC and the Beatles and i think she knows that. Its probably better she doesnt break this record though i think she will, most likely on the Next CD. I think it should also be noted how many number ones an artist has a Writer too, well I know the Bealtes and MC would still be up there but ELVIS would be gone since he wrote nothing, it should also be noted that Richard Marx has 13 number ones, most of them came as a writer about half as the artist. Im not really sure who has the Most number ones as a writer, im guessing McCartney.

lastdecember said:

If PR is cheating than every celeb that has a publicist cheats. Should we wipe out all their accomplishments as well?

jayaredee said:

That's what counts in my book. Good post.

roundables said:

here here! so bored of all this Mariah hating sydrome...

Plus all this slagging of the record company and PR stunts etc... don't forget people could say the very same thing of Prince.. he has afterall just signed to the very same label... and is infact having a very similar 'comeback' as we speak, as far as the general public are concerned anyway..

His fans all know he never went anywhere musically speaking, neither did Mariah... and actually Glitter, the so called flop.. is actually one of her most innovative albums to date... and contains some of her best vocal performances, so to those who r swept up on her 'comeback' wave, take a look back a few years and you'll see she never really went anywhere...

bottom line is she's the biggest selling female artist of all time.. enough said.

theglamorouslife said:

And what do record sales have to do with being innovative and inspiring other artists? Absolutely nothing.
Let Mariah sell 400 million more records, it won't mean anything.
Enya sells a lot of records too.

At the end of the day, what has Mariah done besides hire the hippest producers and hip hop artists to sell her records. She is a big opportunist, never took risks as far as i'm concerned.

To put her in the same category as the Beatles because of record sales and chart toppers is stupid.

Most of the Beatles top 10 hits are more memerable than Mariah's #1s. FACT.
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jayaredee said:

most kids today cant name 1 number hit from the Beatles , but i betcha they know all of mariahs or most of them anyway

GalaxyMasturbation said:

Most kids today aren't musically educated.

jayaredee said:

i agree

jayaredee said:

God, I swear you can't read. The article never put them in the same category musically. It noted how close she is to their singles record. What impact has Mariah had watch American Idol. To say she hasn't inspired other artists is B.S. and you know it. Most of today's singers Brandy, Christina A., Nelly Furtado, Pink, Jessica Simpson and a lot of others have all cited her as an influence at one time or another.

Yes, she's only hired rappers to sell her records. It's funny how the more she incorporated rappers the farther her sales slid into oblivion. She sold more when she wasn't using rappers. Mariah's always said that her record company wanted her to stop for that very reason, but she didn't want to. So, how does that make her an opprotunist. What exactly did she gain from dwindling record sales and almost a lifetime ban at Pop stations? Your talking out your ass w/ that. How about Madonna exploiting the boys from Paris Is Burning for Vogue that's not being an opprotunist? What did they gain from it? AT least, the rappers that worked w/ MC got credit and a cut of the profits. No, going from Celion Dion CHR music to dueting w/ ODB wasn't a risk at all. ODB was just the toast du jour around 96, wasn't he?


The Beatles hits are most memorable to who? Go to Allhiphop or any other Urban board and see how many posters can name the Beatles number ones. And, once again nobody put Mariah next to the Beatles musically. They just noted that she almost has the same amount of number ones. And, I have a suspision that if it wasn't Mariah and was Madonna your behind wouldn't have a problem.

jayaredee said:

Mariah will have her own legacy, She is the most inluential vocalist of her generation, some people may not agree as they do not know much about the art of real singing, she also the most succesful female singer songwriter for a reason, to call millions "un educated" is a very lazy argument, she has influenced more singers than any other artist of the last 20 years, Alicia Keys is probably on the same path.
Mariah is a legend, I know many singers who respect her music, they are "musically educated", it's because of that they listen to her, (even if the think the production may not be for everyone, too urban, to radio or whatever, but thats not where the appeal of her music comes from) I have a friend who is composer and said Mariah has written some of the most complex melodies in pop music and that people will be studying her composition of harmony and melody and her vocal technique for years, the same can not be said for other recordings by most "female singers" of the last 20 years, once the self promotion and hype is dead, alot of "pop" stars wil be forgotten except for a niche of devoted fans. Mariah may not be the most innovative video star, or great a self promotion, it's actuall funny watching her trying to be engaging, but she's a singer and writer and that's what will live on, long after the mtv generation.


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