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Reply #30 posted 04/11/06 3:27am

whatsgoingon

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sosgemini said:

LightOfArt said:



not really it was one of his biggest hits, and I know for a fact it is one of his most beloved songs in east...

you may not like the 'save the world' theme but unarguably iy is his one of his finest pieces musically, the climax and everything smile


biggest hits where?

and its not a matter of "save the world" themes or any other themes..the song is not memorable..you play any part of billie jean (the bass, the guitar solo, the chorus) and people say "billie jean"..you play parts of "Earth Song" and aint nobody gonna know the song..unless your an mj fan...

which hey, you mj fans like the song...SUPER. but come on now, no delusions of grander please...


razz


I have to agree with you. There are certain songs that only obsesse Jackson fans could think of as classic and the "best". And they always equate best to record sales.

"Human Nature" didn't get to nr 1 in the UK or America, but it is more of a classic song than both "Stranger in Moscow" or "Earth song". Songs like "I can't Help it" and "Get on the Floor" were never even release has singles but I think they are 10 times better than songs like "Earth song" could ever be. And let's not forget about stuff from albums like Destiny, Truimph and other Jackson albums which has "classic" written all over then but are known by very few people..
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Reply #31 posted 04/11/06 4:20am

MartyMcFly

I love "Little Susie".... boxed
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Reply #32 posted 04/11/06 5:50am

DarlingDiana

MartyMcFly said:

I love "Little Susie".... boxed
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me too
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Reply #33 posted 04/11/06 6:35am

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Human Nature wasn't even released in the UK.
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Reply #34 posted 04/11/06 11:15am

LightOfArt

whatsgoingon said:

sosgemini said:



biggest hits where?

and its not a matter of "save the world" themes or any other themes..the song is not memorable..you play any part of billie jean (the bass, the guitar solo, the chorus) and people say "billie jean"..you play parts of "Earth Song" and aint nobody gonna know the song..unless your an mj fan...

which hey, you mj fans like the song...SUPER. but come on now, no delusions of grander please...


razz


I have to agree with you. There are certain songs that only obsesse Jackson fans could think of as classic and the "best". And they always equate best to record sales.

"Human Nature" didn't get to nr 1 in the UK or America, but it is more of a classic song than both "Stranger in Moscow" or "Earth song". Songs like "I can't Help it" and "Get on the Floor" were never even release has singles but I think they are 10 times better than songs like "Earth song" could ever be. And let's not forget about stuff from albums like Destiny, Truimph and other Jackson albums which has "classic" written all over then but are known by very few people..
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I mentioned the sales NOT to prove that it's a classic(it actualy is) but to reply to SOS where said "only mj fans know/like it"...obviously it was more than obese fans that made it his biggest hit in UK

And I still stick to what I said..Earth Song is one of his best pieces musically...The way it is arranged and produced, the instrumentation, the way his vocal character changes in the end, the climax...

listen to it with headphones and close your eyes to really feel it..
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Reply #35 posted 04/11/06 1:37pm

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LightOfArt said:

whatsgoingon said:



I have to agree with you. There are certain songs that only obsesse Jackson fans could think of as classic and the "best". And they always equate best to record sales.

"Human Nature" didn't get to nr 1 in the UK or America, but it is more of a classic song than both "Stranger in Moscow" or "Earth song". Songs like "I can't Help it" and "Get on the Floor" were never even release has singles but I think they are 10 times better than songs like "Earth song" could ever be. And let's not forget about stuff from albums like Destiny, Truimph and other Jackson albums which has "classic" written all over then but are known by very few people..
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I mentioned the sales NOT to prove that it's a classic(it actualy is) but to reply to SOS where said "only mj fans know/like it"...obviously it was more than obese fans that made it his biggest hit in UK

And I still stick to what I said..Earth Song is one of his best pieces musically...The way it is arranged and produced, the instrumentation, the way his vocal character changes in the end, the climax...

listen to it with headphones and close your eyes to really feel it..
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Lets just say we all have different tastes; No matter how I listen to Earth Song it will never be a classic to me. To me it is just another over-produced, syrupy song.
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Reply #36 posted 04/11/06 1:52pm

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Oh all the mums love Earth Song. I also remember hating the video when it premiered, prepared for a bollocking when I went to school the next day but everyone was raving about it.
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Reply #37 posted 04/11/06 2:53pm

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My favorite songs from HIStory (Disc 2):

"Scream"
"They Don't Care About Us"
"Stranger In Moscow"
(brilliant move pairing these 3 songs together)

"Earth Song"
(the only environmental pop opera known to man)

"HIStory" (Tony Moran's HIStory Lesson)
(Yeah, technically it's a remix and it's from BOTDF but who cares)

BTW, does anyone else think "You Are Not Alone" was a blatant attempt at MOR Boyz II Men style balladry? Thank goodness Frankie Knuckles got his hands on it and at least turned it into a diva like club banger. lol
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Reply #38 posted 04/11/06 2:59pm

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That's becasue R Kelly is a bland pathetic prick who couldn't write or sing a memorable or meaningful ballad if his life depended on it, and he deserves to be tortured.
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Reply #39 posted 04/11/06 3:11pm

FunkyBrotha

People criticise "Earth Song" because its a save the world lyric and generally this doesnt appeal to "cool" people.

It is undeniably a fantastic musical piece with awesome vocals, unique delivery and those two twigs in the video are classic michael. That image of him hangin on to the trees is simple yet original and totally effective.

Its grandiose pop at its finest, right up there with "Bohemian Rhapsody".

Stranger in Moscow is a hauntingly beautiful song, one of the best ever lyrics, fantastic delivery and again an amazing video, the rain is brought to life beautifully, that baseball smashin the glass.

These two songs along with "little susie" and "they dont care about us" i think are the songs michael is most proud of as an artist.

I hope he can deliver stuff like this with the new cd
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Reply #40 posted 04/12/06 1:33am

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sosgemini said:

agentmonday said:



Billie Jean is a "masterpiece"....but Stranger In Moscow??? C'mon now... think about b4 putting a classic like Billie Jean with s'thing, that at best, is just "good".



i'd say Stranger is almost as quality as Billie Jean...but that Earth Song is rot...only MJ fans would even consider that song being a classic....thats what seperates a classic from the rest..when the rest of the world takes notice..

and only mj fans ever note earth song...

sosgemini you might think the song is rot, different taste i guess. "Cry" now thats rot.

Still in my opinion the way the song was produced, the beat, amazing instrumentation and powerful vocals. The quality is on level with billie jean. So is stranger in moscow - this has to be my favourite song by him ever.

Even if earth song and stranger in moscow arent really known to the public doesnt matter, its the best pieces his ever done.
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Reply #41 posted 04/13/06 2:57pm

FunkyBrotha

How can u say "Earth Song" isnt really known to the public, its his biggest selling single ever in Europe!
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Reply #42 posted 04/13/06 5:51pm

agentmonday

Thriller sold so many copies, because it really had some classics on there, mainly "Thriller", "Billy Jean" and "Beat It". They had a mass appeal accross a wide spectrum of ppl with different tastes. How the hell can any1 compare any cut of HIStory 2 something like "Billy Jean" is beyond me. Sure, HIStory had some great moments, but "Earth Song" and "Stranger In Moscow" was not his finest moment in music, which is "Billy Jean" - right down 2 everything that revolves around it, such as the actual dance.

But at the end of the day, every1 is entitled to their opinion. I tend to think that, "Whatever Happens" is a friggin masterstroke, and cannot believe it wasn't pushed more as a single etc. It was 1 of the very few highlights 4 me on the "Invincible" album. That's as close as any track of his has come 2 being a "classic".
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Reply #43 posted 04/13/06 7:07pm

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still no mentions of 2 Bad.....c'mon now Shaq didn't totally ruin the song lol
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