1.Rahsaan Patterson, Rahsaan Patterson

2.The Family Stand, Moon In Scorpio

3.Eryckka Badu..lol, Live album

4.Bilil, his first joint

5.PM Dawn, Of The Heart, Of the Soul...no, they were not a rap group.

6.Maxwell, Urban Hang Suite

7.Xavier, The next Prince, who went away and was never heard from again..sad.

8.Common, Electric Circus--once again, this goes beyond mere rap.

9.The Roots--that last album..lol

10.Color Me Badd, Their second album..

Good thread.



As a hater of neo soul, iam glad u guys say it ain't a new genre. Its basically ripping off old philly 70's stuff along with marvin gaye 70's era etc...

thesexofit said:

Name a music genre that DIDN'T steal from another genre? Case closed. Youngsta!

StoneCrib said:

true. But my love, newjackswing, was more of a mix of minni funk, old gap records, hiphop and current pop, and it deserves more props by the media then neo soul. A genre that got way too much attension.

thesexofit said:

New Jack is played. That's what happens when you build a sound around a gimmick and no lasting substance. It was good when high-top fades were in but now that shit is laughable whenever you hear it on the radio. Dated and stale. You have weird tastes though I've noticed.

NewFunk said:

What would u call it?

StoneCrib said:

Critics still shit on those records because they get reminded of all those fashions, arsenio hall, martin, etc....that all played off newjack as a sound. Thats how importmant new jack was. And thus people got sick of it. It was also quite a boastful sound. Very in your face, everything neo soul isnt LOL

It does sound very odd now. And young kids would proberly, if anything, think its something new. I played some obscure newjack cut when around a mates house, and she thought it was new. True, newjack was not about real instruments, but dont be like christphertracyparade and play the high ground here. It was still music, and like all genres, there were newjack pop artists, hiphop pop artists, etc...

Freestlye gets more love then newjack. And i love some freestlye, but i dont get the hate for newjack. So its all programmed, so is pharrels stuff.

Gotta give Neo Soul props to:




If ANYONE can find that 2nd Cherokee release "Soul Parade" PLEASE let a brotha know! It's like trying to find a hooker teachin' Bible Study class.

Also, Geno Young worked on N'Dambi's 2 releases and he also did some production for Badu and Carmen Rodgers as well. N'Dambi, Carmen, and Geno are all based out of Dallas Texas.

thesexofit said:

How important was New Jack? Where is it? Gone. And you want to try and shit on Neo Soul but ask ME to give respect to New Jack? Please. You're hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.

StoneCrib said:

ok so how did Amp Fiddler end up in the neo soul genra? Break it down im lost again

StoneCrib said:

newjack is still felt today. Look at pharrel, who did he learn off, teddy riley. All the ushers, chris browns, ne-yo's, they are all newjackers. The attitude is there. The sound is different, but the influence is there. newjack mixed hiphop beats, with rnb lyrcis, to pop hooks. Usher does the same, neptunes do the same etc...

before that, u had minni funk, which was like a prototype of newjack. It was funky, but was often still midtempo and obviously, no rap production to it. No raps in songs. Newjack was the next step. Ushers shit doesnt have a name, but it could called some lame shit like neo newjack. Attitude there. Rhythm is there. The pop hook is there.

Meloh9 said:

Ok, Amp IS Neo Soul. Peep out his album. Saadiq produced "Dreamin'", his biggest single and he used to play keys on tour with Saadiq. His sound is very Neo Soul.

thesexofit said:

WTF? There is NO New Jack sound in Pharrel's music and NO New Jack sound in ANY of those artists you listed. I just think you WANT there to be and that you've convinced yourself they have a "New Jack" sound.
Do you REALLY wanna know what New Jack was? I'll tell you: All Teddy did (Along with Gene Griffin, largely recognized as the real creator of New Jack) was add an extra bass drum beat where there normally wouldn't be one and relied heavily on the synth/keys. There was no "attitude" lol. New Jack wasn't special. It was NEW. That's about it. It was gimmicky and fun while it was here, but it's old and done and NO one is trying to incorporate that shit into their sound today.

StoneCrib said:

I know what you mean about the sound, but don't Saadiq and Amp predate the Neo Soul genra? Just wondering because now im not sure what Neo Soul is.

What is Neo Soul!?

I Don't Know!

Meloh9 said:

Naw, Saadiq is the Godfather of Neo Soul. When he was in 3T they were laying the groundwork for it back in 93 and then when he produced "Lady" on D'Angelo's Brown Sugar album that pretty much ushered in the Neo Soul era. Amp came later but still under the same sound.

Neo Soul is R&B in the vein of the old soul singers. It's jazzy, it's soulful, the lyrics are more mature and more meaningful than the Jagged Edges and 112s and R. Kellys out there. It's musicianship and statement music. It's love and romance and politics and social commentary. Overall, it's real.

StoneCrib said:

OK, so ur getting all technical on me, thats cool. I have no idea about newjack technically, but come on, rnb changed when newjack came around. But as i said, newjack pretty much morphed into hiphop soul (mary j blige, jodeci etc...). Of course the sound has gone. But what it did to rnb, is still felt.

Shit, even dressing well is still seen today. Newjack wans't about looking like run dmc, it was about dressing smart, and belonging where the upperclass are, even though ur from the streets

U obviously know ur shit, but u should know teddy basicaly fused hiphop and rnb together. And tell me usher dont do that? It wasn't gimmicky either. Whats so gimmicky about keith sweats "i want her"? The keyboard break, the arpeggios, the coda.


Newjack even affected dress codes. White people loved it too, and, unlike hiphop, it was all about having a good time. Shit, u could even say it made black people feel good about themselves. No shootings, no violent lyrics.

StoneCrib said:

Agreed.

thesexofit said:

Did anyone add Salt by Lizz Wright to their lists?

namepeace said:

There's this guy I know...his name is namepeace and he's SO FULL OF HIMSELF with his "one name"

StoneCrib said:

Dear StoneCrib:

Don't disturb me as I cast my stones.

Now excuse me. I got some guys coming to Windex my house.

Sincerely,

namepeace.

MartyMcFly said:

You ought to be gutted like a fish!

StoneCrib said:

I don't have any Rahsaan Patterson tho I'm checkin him out and am gonna buy his shit this weekend. I love what I hear

StoneCrib said:

Nope. IT's their 3rd one. The second one is the bomb too
[Edited 4/6/06 17:45pm]

I couldn't narrow it down to 10.

Here's my list:

1. Omar: every last one’na ‘nem
2. Bilal: every last one’na ‘nem
3. Donnie: The Colored Section (A shame there’s only 1.)
4. Rahsaan Patterson: every last one’na ‘nem
5. Musiq: every last one’na ‘nem
6. Erykah: every last one’na ‘nem
7. Kem: every last one’na ‘nem
8. D’Angelo: Brown Sugar (I don’t like Voodo)
9. Maxwell: every last one’na ‘nem
10. Floetry: every last one’na ‘nem
11. Jill Scott: every last one’na ‘nem
12. Raphael Saadiq: every last one’na ‘nem
13. Unwrapped AllStars: every last one’na ‘nem
14. Van Hunt: every last one’na ‘nem
15. Kindred the Family Soul: every last one’na ‘nem
16. Rachid (Rasalus): every last one’na ‘nem (he has a new jawn coming out. So far it’s awesome)
17. Eric Roberson: every last one’na ‘nem (Musiq wouldn’t be the same w/o him)
I’m just not a *big* Les Nubians, India, Eric, Amel, Anthony, Craig, Meshell, Donell, Goapele, Res, Davina and Dwele fan. I can’t list them ‘cuz I only like a slim margain of songs of theirs.
I don’t count Vikter and Mint.
Julie and Lizz depress me, so I own their CDs, but I never listen to ‘em.
I don’t like Slick N’Rose. Period.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I dug the 1st family Stand the best.