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Printableblackguitaristz said: StoneCrib said: Mint is kinda like where Brian McKnight is - on the fence of R&B and Neo Soul. They can both go either way. Saadiq is the Godfather of Neo Soul. Without 3T's "Sons of Soul" there wouldn't be a Neo Soul. Saadiq is responsible for the majority of Neo Soul sound. But I have to also give credit to Prince as being the God of it all that influenced Saadiq, D' and others. That's what I was goint to post. Go head on, player!  Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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littlejim said: Hey man ! i just mentioned 'sky can you feel me'... im also on the saadiq bandwagon...& Dont mess with my man- great party tune
Yeah, people slept on Gospedelic. It wins a Grammy and doesn't get ANY luv after that. Shame. People should get Gospeldelic JUST for the duet with him and D'Angelo. - Smokin'! Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: littlejim said: Hey man ! i just mentioned 'sky can you feel me'... im also on the saadiq bandwagon...& Dont mess with my man- great party tune
Yeah, people slept on Gospedelic. It wins a Grammy and doesn't get ANY luv after that. Shame. People should get Gospeldelic JUST for the duet with him and D'Angelo. - Smokin'! I LOVE Raphael Saadiq and I could not get into Gospeldelic. I thought it was weak for Mr. Saadiq. I really expected more. I even tried to wait on it and go back to give it a fresh listen and never connected with it. Maybe I'll see if I can find it this weekend..... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: StoneCrib said: Yeah, people slept on Gospedelic. It wins a Grammy and doesn't get ANY luv after that. Shame. People should get Gospeldelic JUST for the duet with him and D'Angelo. - Smokin'! I LOVE Raphael Saadiq and I could not get into Gospeldelic. I thought it was weak for Mr. Saadiq. I really expected more. I even tried to wait on it and go back to give it a fresh listen and never connected with it. Maybe I'll see if I can find it this weekend..... Yeah, it wasn't as cohesive as it could have been, but there are like 4-6 cuts on there that are official jams. But if you really wanna get into Ray Ray, get Lucy Pearl, it's his best work to date. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I LOVE Raphael Saadiq and I could not get into Gospeldelic. I thought it was weak for Mr. Saadiq. I really expected more. I even tried to wait on it and go back to give it a fresh listen and never connected with it. Maybe I'll see if I can find it this weekend..... Yeah, it wasn't as cohesive as it could have been, but there are like 4-6 cuts on there that are official jams. But if you really wanna get into Ray Ray, get Lucy Pearl, it's his best work to date. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Lucy Pearl Album. You think I need some schoolin doncha?? I totally have the lucy pearl album  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: StoneCrib said: Yeah, it wasn't as cohesive as it could have been, but there are like 4-6 cuts on there that are official jams. But if you really wanna get into Ray Ray, get Lucy Pearl, it's his best work to date. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Lucy Pearl Album. You think I need some schoolin doncha?? I totally have the lucy pearl album I shoulda known you had LP! My bad! Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Lucy Pearl Album. You think I need some schoolin doncha?? I totally have the lucy pearl album I shoulda known you had LP! My bad! I don't have any Rahsaan Patterson tho  I'm checkin him out and am gonna buy his shit this weekend. I love what I hear  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I think Family Stands - "Connected" deserves a mention on this list. That album is incredible  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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StoneCrib said: Graycap23 said: Why isn't Mint Condition considered Neo Soul? Or Rapheal Saddiq? Mint is kinda like where Brian McKnight is - on the fence of R&B and Neo Soul. They can both go either way. Saadiq is the Godfather of Neo Soul. Without 3T's "Sons of Soul" there wouldn't be a Neo Soul. Saadiq is responsible for the majority of Neo Soul sound. But I have to also give credit to Prince as being the God of it all that influenced Saadiq, D' and others. 
See, I think this is where my disdain with the dilineation sort of begins. All you say here is 100% true. And, as you've said, we HAVE to give Meshell some credit, too. Yet before Meshell and Sadiq and Tony Tony Tone, there was Prince and the whole Minneapolis scene. Before that scene, there was Roger & Zapp. Before them, there were the Ohio Players, Parliament-Funkadelic, the Philly Sound... and on and on. There's always been a steady evolution of innovative black music. So when exactly did the sound we love now become "Neo?" I'm with the likes of Jill Scott and Maxwell in that I rather think of these latest acts as simply keeping it real, as you say, with what we've always known as good-old soul music... without the hyphenations. If anything, I think the other manufactured crap we were inundated with on radio and BET should take a derivative name. The Jagged Edges, H-Towns and Chris Browns that you mention. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: StoneCrib said: I shoulda known you had LP! My bad! I don't have any Rahsaan Patterson tho I'm checkin him out and am gonna buy his shit this weekend. I love what I hear Make damn sure you get his debut and his 3rd release "After Hours" Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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Would we count Brand New Heavies and Jamiroqui? Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I think Family Stands - "Connected" deserves a mention on this list. That album is incredible
Is that their debut CD? I have their 1st one. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I think Family Stands - "Connected" deserves a mention on this list. That album is incredible
Is that their debut CD? I have their 1st one. Nope. IT's their 3rd one. The second one is the bomb too [Edited 4/6/06 17:45pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Lammastide said: StoneCrib said: Mint is kinda like where Brian McKnight is - on the fence of R&B and Neo Soul. They can both go either way. Saadiq is the Godfather of Neo Soul. Without 3T's "Sons of Soul" there wouldn't be a Neo Soul. Saadiq is responsible for the majority of Neo Soul sound. But I have to also give credit to Prince as being the God of it all that influenced Saadiq, D' and others.
See, I think this is where my disdain with the dilineation sort of begins. All you say here is 100% true. And, as you've said, we HAVE to give Meshell some credit, too. Yet before Meshell and Sadiq and Tony Tony Tone, there was Prince and the whole Minneapolis scene. Before that scene, there was Roger & Zapp. Before them, there were the Ohio Players, Parliament-Funkadelic, the Philly Sound... and on and on. There's always been a steady evolution of innovative black music. So when exactly did the sound we love now become "Neo?" I'm with the likes of Jill Scott and Maxwell in that I rather think of these latest acts as simply keeping it real, as you say, with what we've always known as good-old soul music... without the hyphenations. If anything, I think the other manufactured crap we were inundated with on radio and BET should take a derivative name. The Jagged Edges, H-Towns and Chris Browns that you mention. Ok, the term Neo Soul means "The NEW Generation of Soul Singers" so that's where the confusion comes in at. It's not NEW music, just a new generation of singers maintaining and being the curators of the sound. I think the initial rumblings of the Neo Soul sound era happened right aroundt 1993 with the release of Meshell's "Plantation Lullabies" on the woman's side and on the men's side "Sons of Soul" by the Tonies that same year, and then 2 years later we get D'Angelo and a year after that we get Badu and that's when the Neo Soul era was officiialy ushered in. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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Lammastide said: Would we count Brand New Heavies and Jamiroqui?
BNH would be that fence of New Jazz & R&B or Jazz&B, but can easily be held within the Neo Soul area. Jamiroqui ...I really can't tell you. He's more so Reggae-ish to me. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: StoneCrib said: Is that their debut CD? I have their 1st one. Nope. IT's their 3rd one. The second one is the bomb too
[Edited 4/6/06 17:45pm] Oh ok cool. I need to peep that one out then. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: Lammastide said:
See, I think this is where my disdain with the dilineation sort of begins. All you say here is 100% true. And, as you've said, we HAVE to give Meshell some credit, too. Yet before Meshell and Sadiq and Tony Tony Tone, there was Prince and the whole Minneapolis scene. Before that scene, there was Roger & Zapp. Before them, there were the Ohio Players, Parliament-Funkadelic, the Philly Sound... and on and on. There's always been a steady evolution of innovative black music. So when exactly did the sound we love now become "Neo?" I'm with the likes of Jill Scott and Maxwell in that I rather think of these latest acts as simply keeping it real, as you say, with what we've always known as good-old soul music... without the hyphenations. If anything, I think the other manufactured crap we were inundated with on radio and BET should take a derivative name. The Jagged Edges, H-Towns and Chris Browns that you mention. Ok, the term Neo Soul means "The NEW Generation of Soul Singers" so that's where the confusion comes in at. It's not NEW music, just a new generation of singers maintaining and being the curators of the sound. I think the initial rumblings of the Neo Soul sound era happened right aroundt 1993 with the release of Meshell's "Plantation Lullabies" on the woman's side and on the men's side "Sons of Soul" by the Tonies that same year, and then 2 years later we get D'Angelo and a year after that we get Badu and that's when the Neo Soul era was officiialy ushered in. If it's a generational thing as opposed to a musical thing, I suppose I can get with that. I just wouldn't want to think the conscientious, instrument-playing, quality artists have, in effect, given away their birthright to that lackluster, sample-filled barcode product the kids are being hit with on commercial radio.[Edited 4/6/06 18:03pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: StoneCrib said: Ok, the term Neo Soul means "The NEW Generation of Soul Singers" so that's where the confusion comes in at. It's not NEW music, just a new generation of singers maintaining and being the curators of the sound. I think the initial rumblings of the Neo Soul sound era happened right aroundt 1993 with the release of Meshell's "Plantation Lullabies" on the woman's side and on the men's side "Sons of Soul" by the Tonies that same year, and then 2 years later we get D'Angelo and a year after that we get Badu and that's when the Neo Soul era was officiialy ushered in. If it's a generational thing as opposed to a musical thing, I suppose I can get with that. I just wouldn't want to think the conscientious, instrument-playing, quality artists have, in effect, given away their birthright to that lackluster, sample-filled barcode product the kids are being hit with on commercial radio.
[Edited 4/6/06 18:03pm] And therein lies 2/3 of the problem: Radio and Listener - Radio dictates what the kids hear and eventually they will like it and demand more of it, then the 3rd party - The artists - hop in and supply the demand for the listener to consume. Just like the old adage that if you feed people hamburger all their lives they will never complain but once you feed them steak it's a whole new ballgame! Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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1.Rahsaan Patterson, Rahsaan Patterson
2.The Family Stand, Moon In Scorpio 3.Eryckka Badu..lol, Live album 4.Bilil, his first joint 5.PM Dawn, Of The Heart, Of the Soul...no, they were not a rap group. 6.Maxwell, Urban Hang Suite 7.Xavier, The next Prince, who went away and was never heard from again..sad. 8.Common, Electric Circus--once again, this goes beyond mere rap. 9.The Roots--that last album..lol 10.Color Me Badd, Their second album.. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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I forgot about Kelis. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: StoneCrib said: Is that their debut CD? I have their 1st one. Nope. IT's their 3rd one. The second one is the bomb too
[Edited 4/6/06 17:45pm] Really dug that group. Sandra did a solo cd that was tight also. | |
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StoneCrib said: Graycap23 said: Why isn't Mint Condition considered Neo Soul? Or Rapheal Saddiq? Mint is kinda like where Brian McKnight is - on the fence of R&B and Neo Soul. They can both go either way. Saadiq is the Godfather of Neo Soul. Without 3T's "Sons of Soul" there wouldn't be a Neo Soul. Saadiq is responsible for the majority of Neo Soul sound. But I have to also give credit to Prince as being the God of it all that influenced Saadiq, D' and others. Amen. 
I love Mint, but I have to agree, I don't think that they are in the major category of Neo soul, but they do have their own "grown folk" music thing going on. I think everyone has hit the nail on the head: Van Hunt Dwele Erykah Jilly from Philly D'Angelo Bilal and much more.... I know someone mentioned the "brand new heavies" but i think they are more on the jazzy funk type music...same goes for Jamiroquai and I faithfully listen to both bands..... This here is a great thread!!  Great discussion on good music!!! I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: 1.Rahsaan Patterson, Rahsaan Patterson
2.The Family Stand, Moon In Scorpio 3.Eryckka Badu..lol, Live album 4.Bilil, his first joint 5.PM Dawn, Of The Heart, Of the Soul...no, they were not a rap group. 6.Maxwell, Urban Hang Suite 7.Xavier, The next Prince, who went away and was never heard from again..sad. 8.Common, Electric Circus--once again, this goes beyond mere rap. 9.The Roots--that last album..lol 10.Color Me Badd, Their second album.. There is SO much wrongness about your list, but the 3 I bolded: PM Dawn - They werent even close to pop rap, let alone Neo Soul. Xavier has a new album out already. And Color Me Badd?
I think I need to send you to Neo Soul School - FAST! Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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missfee said: StoneCrib said: Mint is kinda like where Brian McKnight is - on the fence of R&B and Neo Soul. They can both go either way. Saadiq is the Godfather of Neo Soul. Without 3T's "Sons of Soul" there wouldn't be a Neo Soul. Saadiq is responsible for the majority of Neo Soul sound. But I have to also give credit to Prince as being the God of it all that influenced Saadiq, D' and others. Amen.
I love Mint, but I have to agree, I don't think that they are in the major category of Neo soul, but they do have their own "grown folk" music thing going on. I think everyone has hit the nail on the head: Van Hunt Dwele Erykah Jilly from Philly D'Angelo Bilal and much more.... I know someone mentioned the "brand new heavies" but i think they are more on the jazzy funk type music...same goes for Jamiroquai and I faithfully listen to both bands..... This here is a great thread!! Great discussion on good music!!! Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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How the hell I miss this thread?
Hey SC, I'm with ya up til you got to Donnell. | |
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Romera said: How the hell I miss this thread?
Hey SC, I'm with ya up til you got to Donnell. Yeah, Donell is on the fence as well, but his "street soul" was too damn good to leave off, ya know? Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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It's still way too soon to see if these 2 albums will make it into my top ten list of all time, but I haven't been able to stop playing them over the past month:
and...  Actually, I'm yet to hear a Dwele track that I don't like on any of his albums... | |
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I hate the "neo" term too..so I'm going with "90's soul".
Meshell - "Plantation Lullabies" - the 1st "90's soul" CD." DJ Britt - The one with "DJ Save My Life"..(I forgot the name of it) D'Angelo - "Voodoo" Erykah Badu - "Mama's Gun" Chico DeBarge - The one that he did when he got out of jail (forgot the name) Meshell - "Peace Beyond Passion" Jill Scott - "Words And Sounds-Vol 1" Eric Benet - "True To Myself" Davina - 1998 Christion's debut - 1998 Honorable mention..Lewis Taylor..everything. | |
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damn..I forgot Maxwell.."U.H.S". | |
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There's really no contest...
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