StoneCrib said:

Never

StoneCrib said:

I have been paying both of her cd's the last 2 weeks or so. I just picked up little girl blues last week. Deep sounds like Meshell Ndegeochello.

StoneCrib said:

ha.....

Graycap23 said:

Yeah, N'Dambi was badu's backup singer and for those that have the Baduizm Live CD, she's the one that rips it up at the end of the CD when Badu calls out her backup singers to do a solo. Amazing voice!

StoneCrib said:

wow thats who she is i didn't know. guesss i gotta check that out!

brownsugar said:

I'm shocked you haven't heard of her. Even this half white boys up on the scoop

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

i heard the name before but not her music. its one of those artists i havent taken the time to listen to.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

StoneCrib said:

yeah but its also a marketing attempt to make kids think they are listening to something new.

StoneCrib said:

Why isn't Mint Condition considered Neo Soul? Or Rapheal Saddiq?

As for a personal Top 10, I dunno... I'll have to throw that around in my head awhile -- especially if the definition becomes so broad as to include more progressive Hip Hop acts like the old Native Tongue clique.

In the meantime, question: I don't often hear Meshell Ndegeocello mentioned among Neo-Soul artists, yet the instrumentation over technology; the introspective and politically conscious lyrics; the homage to old-school styles are all there. Why do y'all think that is?
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Lammastide said:

Maybe it's because she has been around for a while. Good q.

Graycap23 said:

Maybe. But I've heard even Tony Toni Tone placed among the best of Neo-Soul, and they've been around longer than her.

Graycap23 said:

Very good question. Like Prince (and to some extent, Beck), I consider Me'Shell's work in a category of its own.

Meloh9 said:

Where do you get that from? That has never been mentioned and I've followed neo soul basically from its original name of "Neo-Classic-Soul" to now.

Graycap23 said:

Mint is kinda like where Brian McKnight is - on the fence of R&B and Neo Soul. They can both go either way. Saadiq is the Godfather of Neo Soul. Without 3T's "Sons of Soul" there wouldn't be a Neo Soul. Saadiq is responsible for the majority of Neo Soul sound. But I have to also give credit to Prince as being the God of it all that influenced Saadiq, D' and others.

namepeace said:

Absolutely but it kills me when people start praising the resurgence of black artists making good music and leave her off the list. Far as I'm concerned she was one of the sparks that set the fire Sorry but you didn't have anyone coming out with shit like Plantation Lullabies at that time. Nobody.

Lammastide said:

Well, that was something I kinda added, the whole Hip Hop version of Neo Soul is what I probably should have said. And Meshell is the Godmother of Neo Soul, just like Saadiq is the Godfather. I don't think you have Badu if you there was no Meshell.

StoneCrib said:

There was a special on Neo Soul I think on VH1. Jill Scott and along with many others all agreed that the term Neo Soul was created by record companies for marketing purposes. They all rejected the title, none of them seemed to care for it, and they all said that they are simply artist doing Soul music. So that's pretty much where I got it. I take it you must be pretty young?

Meloh9 said:

? You said they came up with it to market towards "young" people and then you didn't give me an example. Instead you gave me the example that MOST of know about it. What I asked you was "where did the 'YOUNG KIDS' stuff come from?"

We know the record companies came up with it, what I want to know is where did this "young kids" issue come in at because we all know that's not the audience they market Neo Soul to. I take you're younger than me. Because us grown folk know this music is a far cry from the Jagged Edge and Chris Brown R&B that fills the airwaves.

StoneCrib said:

Record companies market most of the stuff to younger generations. The term "neo soul" was created so that younger folk wouldn't feel like they are listening to their parent’s music. Which was one of the same points that the "Neo Soul" artist made on that program I referred to. Everybody knows this, its almost common sense. Sorry I don't have documentation or links with quotes from the artists themselves. I don't feel like going through all of that just to make a point about "Neo Soul". If you have been following the genre that closely you should have already figured it out.


no offence

Meloh9 said:

Hey, no offense taken because that wasn't why the term was given. Like I said, had YOU been following the genre as closely as "I" have you woulda known the original name was "Neo-Cassic-Soul" and it was coined by Kedar Massenburg who had D'Angelo at the time and THAT'S how the term came about. After time, people and, maybe record companies, dropped the "classic" part of it. It wasn't done for marketing purposes, especially to the "youth", it was done to shorten the name. If you had an early copy of "Brown Sugar" (1995 - Like I had) you would have seen the term "Neo-Classic-Soul" on the shrinkwrap. That's something you should have known.

No offense though.

StoneCrib said:

don't fool yourself, everything they do is for marketing purposes. if you ask most pure artist to put a label on their sound they would not want to because it puts the artist in a box.

I cant name a best neo-soul album cuz to a degree they all get quite bland BUT i can name the best Neo-soul song ..'Sky can you feel me'- Raphael Saadiq..the last 5 mins are fucking ace

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StoneCrib said:

Never said they didnt do it for marketing purposes, I just disputed your claim that they were using the term Neo Soul to try and market to a younger audience and that wasn't true. It never started out as a marketing tool to younger artists. Never. What you probably heard was the frustrations from one of those artists who doesn't now the origin of the term instead of the gospel truth about the term and its origin.

Also, good music, regardless of the label or "box" it's put in, rises ABOVE its label and "box." Do you think MJ WASN'T put into a box when he dropped Thriller? He was R&B and after he exploded from it he became "Popp" or simply "Good music" and good music ALWAYS finds its way out its proverbial "box." Never forget that, young Jedi.
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littlejim said:

Could it be you may be limited in your knowledge of Neo Soul artists that exist out there?

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Meloh9 said:

we will just agree to disagree

kiddo

StoneCrib said:

That's what I was goint to post. Go head on, player!

Hey man ! i just mentioned 'sky can you feel me'... im also on the saadiq bandwagon...& Dont mess with my man- great party tune

Meloh9 said:

No problemo, youngsta