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Reply #90 posted 03/28/06 2:43pm

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StoneCrib said:

some of you have made this basically an anti-Prince thread.


Show me a single instance of Prince-bashing. People are expressing a preference for one over the other. Were you offended that some don't favor Prince? Tough.

There's no argument you going to make that will sway an opinon, but your insistence on doubting Stevie as a drummer refutes a well-known fact: Stevie Wonder is an accomplished drummer and plays often in concert. That's the epitome of foolish behavior.

I'll be keeping an eye out for some video footage to satisfy you, but don't hold your breath waiting.
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Reply #91 posted 03/28/06 2:58pm

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PFunkjazz said:

StoneCrib said:

some of you have made this basically an anti-Prince thread.


Show me a single instance of Prince-bashing. People are expressing a preference for one over the other. Were you offended that some don't favor Prince? Tough.

There's no argument you going to make that will sway an opinon, but your insistence on doubting Stevie as a drummer refutes a well-known fact: Stevie Wonder is an accomplished drummer and plays often in concert. That's the epitome of foolish behavior.

I'll be keeping an eye out for some video footage to satisfy you, but don't hold your breath waiting.


Now that you mention it, I did see Stevie playing the drums back in the 1960's. I could believe my eyes but my ears were not fooled. He was good.

That reminds of something Richard Pryor used to say, "Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes"?
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Reply #92 posted 03/28/06 3:09pm

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PFunkjazz said:

StoneCrib said:

some of you have made this basically an anti-Prince thread.


Show me a single instance of Prince-bashing. People are expressing a preference for one over the other. Were you offended that some don't favor Prince? Tough.

There's no argument you going to make that will sway an opinon, but your insistence on doubting Stevie as a drummer refutes a well-known fact: Stevie Wonder is an accomplished drummer and plays often in concert. That's the epitome of foolish behavior.

I'll be keeping an eye out for some video footage to satisfy you, but don't hold your breath waiting.

Oh please. If you knew how to read you woulda read the "Drinking too much Purple Kool Aid" line that was coming up in this thread. But you seem to be hung up on this. If you took the time to read you'd realize we have since ended this discussion yet YOU feel the need to keep it going. Bored?
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Reply #93 posted 03/28/06 4:06pm

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Naw; winding down. I just got in from work.
Maybe you should sue?
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Reply #94 posted 03/28/06 5:09pm

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Yeah, now you're just babbling. Get some Zzzz's.
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Reply #95 posted 03/29/06 3:02pm

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DavidEye said:

Oh stop it people! Stevie Wonder and Prince are two of the most talented musical genuises of all time,period.There's no need to argue about who is more talented.


- Agreed, and they admire eachother a lot. Stevie called Prince ´genius´ in the booklet of his Conversation Peace album, and I am sure Prince considers Stevie a genius also and one of his heroes. smile
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Reply #96 posted 03/30/06 2:58am

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StoneCrib said:

YODAHENDRIX said:

Oh its the Jack dude again with his quotes on stevie and never any proof.....actually Stone Crib there is footage that i have seen of Stevie wonder playing the drums it was shown on The Uks the South Bank Show around the Conversation Peace era...they showed Stevie playing and laying down the drums for Living For The City back in 72-73....it was good...but....in no way could it compare with what ive seen Prince do...Sign O the Times Movie anyone????
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Now see, that's all I was asking. Someone to quote a specific concert instead of "He does it all the time" but yet no one else has seen it, at least no one thta has chimed in on this debate. Thanks bro.


My pleasure dude....it actually wasn't a concert but a very long running arts programme on ITV in the United Kingdom that has been on 4 30 plus years with the same presenter. It has been a high watermark for the Arts scene in the uk for that time so with it's broadcast it is a legitimate piece of evidence.

The stevie episode featured past footage as well as a current interview.

But people round here whenever wonder gets mentioned always bring up these variables that have no basis in actual fact...where is the evidence....its kinda like George Michael I read the album notes and it says George Michael:bass, guitar, piano etc...but when has he EVER done this live

and if he has when has it ever been recorded or shown?

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Reply #97 posted 03/30/06 3:11am

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jacktheimprovident said:

StoneCrib said:


Now see, that's all I was asking. Someone to quote a specific concert instead of "He does it all the time" but yet no one else has seen it, at least no one thta has chimed in on this debate. Thanks bro.



Anyway, I'm done. I'm through trying to argue that prince may not be the absolute brightest star in the universe against rabid prince fans. [Edited 3/28/06 10:24am]




So why r u on a PRINCE WEBSITE waxing lyrical about STEVIE Wonder being more proficient a musician than Prince....if u dont want these rabid Prince fans 2 bite, I'd expect u 2 be quiet on such matters if like b4 on our previous encounters u provide no evidence exposing Stevies bass playing or guitar playing duties.

WHAT ALBUM has HE played live bass on?

Please tell me which album of STEVIE WONDER did he play live guitar or bass????

pls just an album credit or an actual fact recorded on celluloid. And that synthetic keyboard bass or tinny synth guitar stuff he plays doesnt count...or the so called strings he plays on joints like Village Ghetto Land.

I love those sounds he can concoct but they are not the real actual instrument so provide actual fact !
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Is this 2morrow or just the END of time?
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Reply #98 posted 03/30/06 3:20am

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squiddyren said:

StoneCrib said:


Now see, that's all I was asking. Someone to quote a specific concert instead of "He does it all the time" but yet no one else has seen it, at least no one thta has chimed in on this debate. Thanks bro.


But he still didn't provide any REAL evidence; he just recounted something like Jack and a couple others did, only with a bit more detail. If he hadn't have slammed Jack at the beginning of his post (running to your side afterwards) and saying at the end "no way could it compare with what I've seen Prince do", would you really be thanking him?
How is that not actual evidence...? That was broadcast on British television in one of Stevie's first tv productions in 10 years at that time.

I provided a whole lot more detail than anyone else here regarding the validity of the claims of Stevies ability on drums he can play thats a fact and we love his drumming...he is even one of Lenny Kravitz's fav drummers however.....show me evidence of him shredding a guitar..or playing a jazz or soul lick on it or playing live bass .....2 much 2 ask?
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Is this 2morrow or just the END of time?
The Funk will always b with u
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Reply #99 posted 03/30/06 3:25am

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jacktheimprovident said:

StoneCrib said:


It's simple. His 1st album reveals that and even WB backs that up that he INSISTED he play ALL the instruments, the backing Vox, and write and produce. It's DOCUMENTED, so therefore it's easy to ascertain that he played the drums back then - before the drum machines took off - even the casual Prince fan would know this. Thanks for playing though. wink



The whole one-man-everything model of record making wasn't invented by prince, it was pioneered by Stevie, Paul McCartney, and Sly Stone. .


Was it now....ever heard of Todd Rundgren?

Even David Bowie is a one man band.....oh but ive never seen him play drums u might say? but he plays bass, piano, synth, guitar, rhythm and lead, sax and produces so put him in there especially for the diamond dogs project
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Is this 2morrow or just the END of time?
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Bang I've got you babe!"
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Reply #100 posted 03/30/06 11:04am

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HUH?

Which part of shaaarraaap! didn't I type? lol

StoneCrib said:

papaa said:

COULDN'T AGREE MORE

I just wish StoneCrib would shaaarrraaaap!


Don't dance around an insult, at the very LEAST be man enough to type it out. Cowardice will only make a person look more foolish.
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Reply #101 posted 03/30/06 11:17am

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papaa said:

HUH?

Which part of shaaarraaap! didn't I type? lol

StoneCrib said:


Don't dance around an insult, at the very LEAST be man enough to type it out. Cowardice will only make a person look more foolish.

Nevermind, your lame joke was wasted the 1st time around anyway. lol
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Reply #102 posted 03/30/06 11:53am

papaa

WHATEVER FELLA



StoneCrib said:

papaa said:

HUH?

Which part of shaaarraaap! didn't I type? lol


Nevermind, your lame joke was wasted the 1st time around anyway. lol
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Reply #103 posted 03/30/06 12:00pm

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papaa said:

WHATEVER FELLA



StoneCrib said:


Nevermind, your lame joke was wasted the 1st time around anyway. lol

And your onslaught of lame humour continues eek lol
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Reply #104 posted 03/30/06 1:50pm

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YODAHENDRIX said:

jacktheimprovident said:




The whole one-man-everything model of record making wasn't invented by prince, it was pioneered by Stevie, Paul McCartney, and Sly Stone. .


Was it now....ever heard of Todd Rundgren?

Even David Bowie is a one man band.....oh but ive never seen him play drums u might say? but he plays bass, piano, synth, guitar, rhythm and lead, sax and produces so put him in there especially for the diamond dogs project
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I already mentioned Todd Rundgren in another post, but McCartney, Stevie and Sly were recording in that way at around the same time he was (slightly earlier in McCartney's case). David Bowie is a gifted multi-instrumentalist as well, but he's rarely recorded in the true one-man-band sense; he's been credited with more instruments than just about any of the others but he hasn't demonstrated the level of proficiency on as many as Prince, Stevie, Todd, etc. Once again, I give Prince a slight edge over Stevie as a multi-instrumental performer, but I'm not willing to make a positive pronouncement simply because I haven't dug up absolutely everything they've ever been recorded as or otherwise documented as having played. Some people on the web swear that Stevie can play the violin but I've never made reference to it because I've never seen any proof. There IS at least SOME indication that stevie's picked up a real guitar at one point in his career, whether or not he's anywhere near as good as prince is another story (for the record there's actual footage of stevie playing guitar with stevie ray vaughan made as promo for Characters on MTV back in '87).
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Reply #105 posted 03/30/06 2:30pm

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jacktheimprovident said:

There IS at least SOME indication that stevie's picked up a real guitar at one point in his career, whether or not he's anywhere near as good as prince is another story (for the record there's actual footage of stevie playing guitar with stevie ray vaughan made as promo for Characters on MTV back in '87).
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Key word here is picked up. I think that was just show biz cuz SRV covered "Superstition" on that album. I'll stick with my original point. Stevie simply does not play guitar (at least well enough to play in concert or even to record).

Nor bass for that matter.
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Reply #106 posted 03/30/06 2:45pm

Graycap23

PFunkjazz said:

jacktheimprovident said:

There IS at least SOME indication that stevie's picked up a real guitar at one point in his career, whether or not he's anywhere near as good as prince is another story (for the record there's actual footage of stevie playing guitar with stevie ray vaughan made as promo for Characters on MTV back in '87).
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Key word here is picked up. I think that was just show biz cuz SRV covered "Superstition" on that album. I'll stick with my original point. Stevie simply does not play guitar (at least well enough to play in concert or even to record).

Nor bass for that matter.



I find it AMAZING that a blind man can play any instrument Let alone master it. What a GREAT gift to have. Hell....I can see and I still have my challenges on the piano.
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Reply #107 posted 03/30/06 2:49pm

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Graycap23 said:

PFunkjazz said:




Key word here is picked up. I think that was just show biz cuz SRV covered "Superstition" on that album. I'll stick with my original point. Stevie simply does not play guitar (at least well enough to play in concert or even to record).

Nor bass for that matter.



I find it AMAZING that a blind man can play any instrument Let alone master it. What a GREAT gift to have. Hell....I can see and I still have my challenges on the piano.


It can be done. Jose Feliciano for one.
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Reply #108 posted 03/30/06 2:50pm

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Graycap23 said:




I find it AMAZING that a blind man can play any instrument Let alone master it. What a GREAT gift to have. Hell....I can see and I still have my challenges on the piano.


It can be done. Jose Feliciano for one.


I know. I don't think people really appreciate what a gift this is.....
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Reply #109 posted 03/31/06 4:55am

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jacktheimprovident said:

YODAHENDRIX said:



Was it now....ever heard of Todd Rundgren?

Even David Bowie is a one man band.....oh but ive never seen him play drums u might say? but he plays bass, piano, synth, guitar, rhythm and lead, sax and produces so put him in there especially for the diamond dogs project
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I've never made reference to it because I've never seen any proof. There IS at least SOME indication that stevie's picked up a real guitar at one point in his career, whether or not he's anywhere near as good as prince is another story (for the record there's actual footage of stevie playing guitar with stevie ray vaughan made as promo for Characters on MTV back in '87).
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U sure that wasnt a promo? was it live?
Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter.
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