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Reply #30 posted 03/22/06 9:13pm

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Dave's nuts but he USUALLY knows what he's talking about.
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Reply #31 posted 03/22/06 11:05pm

murph

2freaky4church1 said:

His critique is really deft, the guy has it goin on about 3121. He is right to mention the weak, hip hop drum crap at the start of The Word.

The feed is at the second part of the show. 7-8 am. Convieniently right at the start of the stream. He argues with the Post critic who can't defend the album too well.llol



Would you be able to defend the album? Hey, it's different strokes ya know...Diamond Dave is my boy from back in the day, and I respect his opinion...But its all "opinion"...
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Reply #32 posted 03/23/06 1:11am

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Reply #33 posted 03/23/06 1:55am

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I've got my penciiill!!!
Give me something to write on
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Reply #34 posted 03/23/06 5:32am

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POOK LOVE PRODUCTION

BUT DAVE REAL PROFESSIONAL WHO INVOLVE IN RECORDING ALBUM

BEEN AROUND LONG TIME

KNOW WHAT DAVE TALK ABOUT

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Reply #35 posted 03/23/06 5:51am

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murph said:

aalloca said:

I actually dig that segment, and the DLR Show. I have Sirius also. I did not hear the Prince review. However both him and Howard Stern are big Prince fans and feel ( as I do) pretty much that Prince stopped progressing and challenging himself in the early 90's. Not to say there haven't been some genius moments but nothing that broke the mold like Dirty Mind or 1999. Howard said he was offered and exclusive on Monday to premiere the whole album. But he said that if this was 1985 he would care. Before you flame remember Stern has said many times that Prince is the best musician on the planet.,

Anyway DLR has a vast knowledge of classic soul and R&B. His guitarist Brian Young is phenom..... and solos over the sexxy dancer vamp.

Anyway from the reviews I have heard, the grammy show, the Rolling Stones, U2 he has been very honest that he is a fan but expects more of today's artists who refuse to change or challenge themselves.

He also stated he is judging this as a 19yr snot nose kid up in the rafter seats in LA seeing his fav artists. He does not think VH is the greatest songs or should be compared to anyone. He is just like most of us around here who have tremdous respect for our fav artists but demand something more than rehashed music to be satisfied.

Please post DLR's comments....



I agree...I'm feeling 3121 a little; But guys...It's okay if someone gives a honest criticism of the album...Let's stop with the Fam shit...We should be able to differentiate between the folks who just shit on the midget because they have nothing better to do and the true blue music fans who have something to say....Let's keep our heads folks...



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and im realling liken the album...but i agree...the sound at times can be too plasticy.
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Reply #36 posted 03/23/06 5:52am

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Mazerati said:

Illustrator said:

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Reply #37 posted 03/23/06 7:22am

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VinnyM27 said:

sinisterpentatonic said:





hey man!! i dig those lyrics!


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Reply #38 posted 03/23/06 7:36am

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AnckSuNamun said:

Hummala bebhuhla zeebuhla boobuhla hummala bebhuhla zeebuhla bop!



bop bozie bozie bop, ziddy bop!
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Reply #39 posted 03/23/06 7:41am

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Stax said:

AnckSuNamun said:

Hummala bebhuhla zeebuhla boobuhla hummala bebhuhla zeebuhla bop!



bop bozie bozie bop, ziddy bop!


falloff whistle I ain't got nobody, nobody, nobody cares for me. Nobody , nobody
I'm so sad and lonely,sad and lonely,sad and lonely.Won't some sweet mama come
and take a chance with me cause I aint so bad


Thanks to this thread this song has been stuck in my head since yesterday lol
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Reply #40 posted 03/23/06 8:11am

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AnckSuNamun said:

Stax said:




bop bozie bozie bop, ziddy bop!


falloff whistle I ain't got nobody, nobody, nobody cares for me. Nobody , nobody
I'm so sad and lonely,sad and lonely,sad and lonely.Won't some sweet mama come
and take a chance with me cause I aint so bad


Thanks to this thread this song has been stuck in my head since yesterday lol



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Reply #41 posted 03/23/06 1:22pm

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AnckSuNamun said:

VinnyM27 said:



falloff


co-falloff


Anyone remember Chris Kattan doing an impression of him a while back.
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Reply #42 posted 03/23/06 4:46pm

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EmancipationLover said:


Who does he think he is? Peter Gabriel? Brian Eno? biggrin



Nope... Howard Stern now! giggle
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Reply #43 posted 03/23/06 5:52pm

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Listen to what he actually says. He really is right about this.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #44 posted 03/23/06 6:01pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Listen to what he actually says. He really is right about this.


To an extent, he is right. For songs like 3121 or Black Sweat, there would not have been much difference in sound if he recorded them in a proper studio, rather than a home studio. Digital is digital. As for analog instruments, P may have achieved a warmer, acoustically resonant sound in a big, old school studio. Dave's right about that, I guess.
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Reply #45 posted 03/23/06 8:09pm

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VinnyM27 said:

AnckSuNamun said:



co-falloff


Anyone remember Chris Kattan doing an impression of him a while back.


no, I stopped watching SNL for a while, so I'm not familiar with it. He's an easy target to make of parody of though lol
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Reply #46 posted 03/23/06 8:56pm

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AnckSuNamun said:

VinnyM27 said:



Anyone remember Chris Kattan doing an impression of him a while back.


no, I stopped watching SNL for a while, so I'm not familiar with it. He's an easy target to make of parody of though lol


nod


But there was a time: http://youtube.com/watch?...an%20halen

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Reply #47 posted 03/23/06 11:50pm

murph

sosgemini said:

murph said:




I agree...I'm feeling 3121 a little; But guys...It's okay if someone gives a honest criticism of the album...Let's stop with the Fam shit...We should be able to differentiate between the folks who just shit on the midget because they have nothing better to do and the true blue music fans who have something to say....Let's keep our heads folks...



nod

and im realling liken the album...but i agree...the sound at times can be too plasticy.



That said, I'm liking this album more and more everyday...I think the midget has a winner on his hands...
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Reply #48 posted 03/24/06 8:49am

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DLR lovesssss pop music, all music. I remember back in the 80'she did some interview where he mentuioned janets Nasty song and the drum sound Jam n Lewis created. I mean th e ddue fronted Halen but he was all over the map in his listening pleasures. He is th e ultimate singer in my opinion in that he has many influneces, is well versed in music (he does play geetar, I have a bootleg vid of old Van Halen and he pulled out acoustic to a few songs, Ice cream man was one), and has a way with production. That Van Halen classic sound came from him and Templeman trust me.

And Dave is a big ass Prince fan. I wish to god he came on here so thanks for that dave website! I mean he is over his relevance sure, but he is like a last icon that nobody realizes. Dude was our Courtney Love so its interesting just to see him in/on anything lol
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Reply #49 posted 03/24/06 9:39am

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Wait, from what I can tell, he didn't really diss the album, he was just critical of him doing the protools thing instead of using a band, and he thinks Prince needs to use a real studio instead of a home one? How is this a diss?

Look, "Diamond Dave" has become something of a joke in recent years, largely due to the fact that he still acts like he's in his early twenties, but the guy is just giving a very small criticism of an album he otherwise likes. He doesn't like a technical aspect of the album, and that is really understandable from someone who has done studio work themselves. Regardless of whether or not he has done any good music in the past few decades, he still would have the technical expertise to comment on this area of the recording process.

Personally, I understand why Prince would use ProTools if he is trying to record the album himself, but Prince is also quite accomplished as a band-leader and does some amazing things when he has a full band in the studio with him. I don't really have a preference of one over the other, as I think different creative ideas can be served by both methods. Still, I can see why someone like DLR would have a preference for one over the other. He's not knocking Prince, he's just stating an opinion of what he, as a professional, would prefer to have heard.
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Reply #50 posted 03/24/06 11:11am

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JediMaster said:

Wait, from what I can tell, he didn't really diss the album, he was just critical of him doing the protools thing instead of using a band, and he thinks Prince needs to use a real studio instead of a home one? How is this a diss?

Look, "Diamond Dave" has become something of a joke in recent years, largely due to the fact that he still acts like he's in his early twenties, but the guy is just giving a very small criticism of an album he otherwise likes. He doesn't like a technical aspect of the album, and that is really understandable from someone who has done studio work themselves. Regardless of whether or not he has done any good music in the past few decades, he still would have the technical expertise to comment on this area of the recording process.

Personally, I understand why Prince would use ProTools if he is trying to record the album himself, but Prince is also quite accomplished as a band-leader and does some amazing things when he has a full band in the studio with him. I don't really have a preference of one over the other, as I think different creative ideas can be served by both methods. Still, I can see why someone like DLR would have a preference for one over the other. He's not knocking Prince, he's just stating an opinion of what he, as a professional, would prefer to have heard.



This is too even-handed and rational a post to be on the org.

Begone! wink

Having seen the inside of Paisley Park, spoken to the engineers there, and seen how the entire studio is almost encapsulated in one laptop, more power to using every tool you can to make your visions real.

Not too many musicians these days will wake up at 3am to record a song; Prince gets an idea, he records it himself the way he hears it in his head.
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Reply #51 posted 03/24/06 1:44pm

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Maybe he just happens to dig Prince, but prefers when he uses a full band as opposed to working with pro tools. It's nice that he's even taking the time to talk about it on his show. He may not be a musical virtuoso, but I'm sure he at least knows his was around the studio, and equipment, enough to share some thoughts on the sound of the album.


I agree totally. I happen to like DLR -- especially during his Van Halen days. I still think his fun & games sound was preferable to Van Hagar. Oh yeah and I'm fully aware that Hagar has held up better over the years than Roth. I'm just stating a personal preference.

Roth knows more about music than a lot of people and he's entitled to his opinion. Prince could the publicity anyway.
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Reply #52 posted 03/24/06 3:28pm

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He is right.
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Reply #53 posted 03/24/06 8:53pm

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LMBAO@the comments about Protools on this thread. Most of the people commenting on Protools don't know a damn thing about it OBVIOUSLY. Protools is a RECORDING SYSTEM. Its not some "shortcut". Prince has almost always used sequencing in his work. Prince has always done individual tracking. That's how you play multiple parts on a CD. Prince has used a "home studio" for a long time now. Paisley Park IS (technically) a home studio since they don't record commercially. Whoever doesn't like Prince's record CAN NOT blame the technology because they don't like it. Recording idiots. You can take an SSL or Neve console and switch out the DA/AD converters, bumb up the quality of the preamps and still use Protools and it will sound EXACTLY like the "warm" sounding 2 1/2 inch reels only cleaner. Protools is INDUSTRY STANDARD equipment. Most likely damn near everything you hear on the radio is either being recorded on Protools on the front end or at the very least being mastered in Protools, so if you hate 3121 because of the "technology" used then you hate most everything you've heard for the past few years. Just call it like it is - a weak CD. A return to the past. Don't blame the technology.
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Reply #54 posted 03/25/06 2:15am

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LMBAO@the comments about Protools on this thread. Most of the people commenting on Protools don't know a damn thing about it OBVIOUSLY. Protools is a RECORDING SYSTEM. Its not some "shortcut". Prince has almost always used sequencing in his work. Prince has always done individual tracking. That's how you play multiple parts on a CD. Prince has used a "home studio" for a long time now. Paisley Park IS (technically) a home studio since they don't record commercially. Whoever doesn't like Prince's record CAN NOT blame the technology because they don't like it. Recording idiots. You can take an SSL or Neve console and switch out the DA/AD converters, bumb up the quality of the preamps and still use Protools and it will sound EXACTLY like the "warm" sounding 2 1/2 inch reels only cleaner. Protools is INDUSTRY STANDARD equipment. Most likely damn near everything you hear on the radio is either being recorded on Protools on the front end or at the very least being mastered in Protools, so if you hate 3121 because of the "technology" used then you hate most everything you've heard for the past few years. Just call it like it is - a weak CD. A return to the past. Don't blame the technology.



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Reply #55 posted 03/25/06 6:20am

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thx to whoever linked to the Van Halen videos - cool. Unchained, So This Is Love?, and imo Bottoms Up! are all essential downloads as well - that was one hell of a band back in the day.

I believe Prince and DLR share the title of Greatest Frontman Ever. and to dave's credit, Prince never had to deal with that bitch Eddie Van Halen. lol

Someone else said DLR and Templemann were responsible for that great early VH sound, which I think is true. Put on your copy of Van Hagar I (5150) and hear how the funk and rage have disappeared in a flurry of Reeboks and pastel parachute pants.
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Reply #56 posted 03/25/06 8:08am

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He's not really dissing the album but seems to be putting him down for working in a home studio and using Pro tools. Dave says it loses something when you don't work on a song and take it to a real studio. I like Dave's show.


rolleyes What an asshole! disbelief David Lee Roth is probably jealous of Prince because his new talk show is bombing in the ratings. evillol
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Reply #57 posted 03/28/06 7:58pm

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Don't blame the technology.


OK THEN BLAME PEOPLE WHO USE TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE SHORTCUT!

INSTEAD OF PLAYING SONG GOOD FIRST TIME

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Reply #58 posted 03/29/06 5:57am

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POOK said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Don't blame the technology.


OK THEN BLAME PEOPLE WHO USE TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE SHORTCUT!

INSTEAD OF PLAYING SONG GOOD FIRST TIME

Go ahead POOK.
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Reply #59 posted 03/29/06 6:05am

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Rudy said:

thx to whoever linked to the Van Halen videos - cool. Unchained, So This Is Love?, and imo Bottoms Up! are all essential downloads as well - that was one hell of a band back in the day.

I believe Prince and DLR share the title of Greatest Frontman Ever. and to dave's credit, Prince never had to deal with that bitch Eddie Van Halen. lol

Someone else said DLR and Templemann were responsible for that great early VH sound, which I think is true. Put on your copy of Van Hagar I (5150) and hear how the funk and rage have disappeared in a flurry of Reeboks and pastel parachute pants.

Funny how Rudy used terms like "Funk" and "Rage" to describe VH the DLR years. I've always kinda thought VH had a serious groove to their rock riffs. Listen to the entire Fair Warning album for proof. Anyway, 3121 does sound plastic and lifeless, mostly. I don't think it's a protools thing though.
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