brownsugar said:

Well, they have a cell phone commerical now and Free still has a tremendous ass.

Alexandernvrmind said:

That's it? Those 2 dumb ass websites you posted? Maybe you don't comprehend as well as you blow hot air. I asked you for PROOF of your statement that Hip Hop glorifies out-of-wedlock children in the Black community. Don't send me to some stupid ass website that's based on your religious beliefs and the some STD website. Neither had ANYTHING to do with the Black community nor what you stated. Just like I thought, all you are is hot air and no substance to back up that hot air.

BET is garbage, and we all should admit this. Warrington Hudlin hasn't done a fucking thing, sorry bastard. He's lucky I am a Christian.

Graycap23 said:

it is confusing,yes

StoneCrib said:

where did I say this? ==> I asked you for PROOF of your statement that Hip Hop glorifies out-of-wedlock children in the Black community. Again you can't even follow an argument properly the web site I gave you have stats to show that black folks have babies out of wed lock dispaportionate to other folks. If you can't even follow what other people are saying how can you disagree. I said nothign about hip-hop glorigying anything other that stupid ass thug image over and over again. Wake up!!

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I always think that the way people explain away Hip Hop vs Rap as curious...and essentially those hip-hop fans with a conscience (because most so called music fans these days have none that's why we have the Black eyed Peas, 50 Cents, & Jessica Simpson) make excuses for the power that Hip Hop so routinely abuses.

Sorry I'm not buying it. Hip Hop as a whole is a complete and utter disaster.

Essentially what most of that shit says is that if your not a gansta, hard ass thug than you ain't black and your certainly not a man! It glorifies coming from the street being from the streets and thanks to the ridiculous problems black folks have with having babies out of wed lock many a young black man grows up thinking that the only way to make is to hustle either drugs, or hustle being a rapper. No I'm not talking about Mos Def, or Common, or Talib, etc... Ya'll know who I'm talking about and yes Jay Z is one of them. This dude is so powerful he could do the right thing...but he won't

Hip Hop is very sad right now and unfortunately it has a death grip around the necks of two many black youth in this country...now thats keeping it real

Of course the record companies are at fault also cause they don't give a shit that these images are destroying black folks because they are making so much money and cheaply by developing all of these no talents
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I would pretty much have to agree with this 100%.

Alexandernvrmind said:

Yeah, sure. Whatever you say. Just keep right on AVOIDING the original question that was posed to you by using data that's 10-years old. Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing.

one2three said:

Uh, wrong. Real Hip Hop heads know that there is Rap and then there is Hip Hop. If you don't know that then you shouldn't be posting about it.

StoneCrib said:

For the people who are NOT real hip hop heads like me, there really isn't a difference no matter how hard people try to "create" one. Rap = Hip hop to the "general" public.

Graycap23 said:

Oh I get it. So since YOU don't see a difference then there ISN'T a difference. Thanks for the clarification of your arrogance.

StoneCrib said:

Don't misunderstand me. I actually understand the difference that you speak of, but I don't believe the genral public does.

Graycap23 said:

Oh ok, cool. My bad then.

StoneCrib said:

I have been listening to rap since 1980 (I was six years old) and my cousin would go to all the rap battles and shows. He would let me listen to all the tapes he recorded at the shows. I can tell you all this till I'm blue in the face, but I doubt it would matter to you anyway. I'm not a true Hip Hop head? This coming from someone who has a woman (Probably a video hoe) showing off her behind as an avatar.

one2three said:

Well, tell you what - You show me your credentials on what you know about "Rap" as in any articles you've written and such and then we can talk. But then again, you don't make much sense since you think I have a "Video Ho" as my avie. (WTF?) - So now you think all women who you see half-naked in pictures are video hoes? Stop watching BET so much and come up for air.

StoneCrib said:

If you read my post carefully, I stated that I can tell you all the so called credentials I have...but I wouldn't have matter to you anyway. And yes I do think all half-naked women shaking their butts in videos are "Video Hoes"...that is my opinion. Whether they are on rock, country, or whatever music genre. But the sad thing about it is majority of them are on rap videos...and who shows these rap videos?

I have a question for you...since you think that rap and hip hop is the same thing, I can actually state that graffiti art is rap? And Sean John and FUBU is rap clothing?

one2three said:

Exactly, you don't have the credentials to inform me of what the difference is, that's why I put you on blast. Now, the woman in my avatar is NOT a video ho, she's a model. Now just because you have this skewed view of black women that appear with little or no clothing on have to be video hoes is on you. Get over it. Graffiti art is Urban Art. FUBU is Urban Fashion. Now, someone wanted to lump everything Black under one umbrella and call it Hip Hop. That's not my fault nor do I agree with that. So take that how you want it.

Alexandernvrmind said:

ok first off the problem isnt having babies out of wedlock - imo nothing wrong with that. the problem is deadbeat dads, drugs and evil mf's tellin folks they wont ever amount to anything so they dont even try

Rap, hip hop, or whatever the hell you want to call it is totally different than it was back in the day when they actually could throw down in rap songs.

Today, there's definately a difference though.....

Rap: Talking over a boring stripped down midtempo beat.
Hip Hop: Singing over a boring stripped down midtempo beat.

vainandy said:

You're so far off on that it's not even funny.

StoneCrib said:

Do you think I care if you "supposedly" put me on blast? It's not like have credentials to inform of anything either, so therefore, we are at an impasse.

Big Deal the chick on your avvie is a photo hoe, oops sorry, model...I can have my "supposed" skewed view of black women all I want because in case you didn't know...I am a black woman myself. And it's chick like her and these other video hoes that set a bad impression of how a black woman is viewed in the Hip Hop industry.

Lastly, if Graffiti Art is Urban Art and FUBU is Urban fashion...then could Hip Hop/Rap be Urban music? If so, could black people have started this urban music called Hip Hop/Rap? Hmmmmm....i guess you can take that how you want it.

one2three said:

So you mean to tell me your goal is to make it in the Hip Hop world? Good luck. Nice dreams. Your parent s must be very proud of you.

As for your last paragraph, I have no idea what the shit means nor what you were trying to say. But hey, good luck in your Hip Hop endeavors to be the next video ho...I mean "model."

StoneCrib said:

StoneCrib...for real you are so wrong in this thread. You don't listen or even follow reason. You ask phantom questions and when people follow-up...you don't keep up. Grow up kid...and the chick in your avatar is a strait ho for having her ass out like that. There is no working around that no matter how you try and smooth it over
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Alexandernvrmind said:

Thats funny, you said that Hip Hop glorifies having children out of wedlock, I asked YOU to PROVE IT and yet YOU came up with NOTHING and you have the nerve to speak on me? Miss me with that shit.

Secondly, Tyra Banks has pictures of her with her ass in a thong and her ass out, is SHE A HO? How about ANY other models that show their ass? Are they hoes? Or maybe it's the fact that you're allowing your prejudices to get in the way of your logic and make you believe that since this is a black woman in my avatar showing her ass in a thong you AUTOMATICALLY link her as a ho. If she were white would you call her a ho for having her ass out? Didn't think so. Check your own self. Don't step to me unless you ready to deal with me.
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Oh, shit, I tried to forget the station existed, now look what you do! Fucker..lol

StoneCrib said:

when did I do any of this ==> Thats funny, you said that Hip Hop glorifies having children out of wedlock, I asked YOU to PROVE IT

Go back and find it. Thats my point you are arguing with a phantom and you are asking phantom questions. At no point whats so ever did I say hip-hop glorifies having children out of wed-lock. It just didn't happen and all you have to do is go back and read it again. The links I provided you gave statistic supporting my point that blacks have a dispaportionate number sof babies out of wed lock. Which is really what you had a problem with me saying

and to answer your second point...yes if you walk around with your ass out your a ho. Your not susposed to be walking around with your ass out dude and thats regardless of how much this f'up culture tries to tell you its ok.

Would you want your moma, baby sister, neice walking around with her ass out? Of course not..but you have been suduced into thinking that its ok..when it clearly isn't and its obvious why

BET is a good channel for entertainment.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Alexandernvrmind said:

Prove it, huh? Cool. Tell me this ISN'T you and you win, ok?



Hmmm? Someone just got caught in a lie and that someone was ALEXANDERNEVERMND. If you wanna check to make sure it IS your post, scroll to page 2, middle of the page.

Now, go bother someone else since you now won't answer TWO of my questions.

StoneCrib said:[quote]

Alexandernvrmind said:

your dense....and I started this thread...you are the one who hijacked by talking about things that I never said.

thanks to the ridiculous problems black folks have with having babies out of wed lock many a young black man grows up thinking that the only way to make is to hustle either drugs, or hustle being a rapper

That statement has nothing to do with rap/hip-hop. It speaks to black people having babies out of wed lock!!!!! What in the heck is worng with you? Its right there. Nowhere does that say that rap glorifies having babies.

Rather I was pointing out that due to the problems with fatherless children in the black community that many young black males identify with what they see in hip-hop...which is the image of thugs and pimps and ganstas

Man you are not a very sharp person because you basically cut and pasted exactly what I said and still tried to imply that I said something else

and then you don't even have enough snese to admit when you were wrong...just ridiculous
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Alexandernvrmind said:

Thank You Alexander for taking the words out of my mouth. He obviously does not want to take responsibility for his own skewed comments. I don't understand how your comment about BET and Hip Hop ended up talking about unwed mothers in the black community and me wanting to be a video hoe!

And in response to Stone Crib's comment...there is a difference between tastefully done photos, such as ones Tyra would do, and your avvie chick. And it should not matter what race the female is...a video hoe is a video hoe; a photo hoe is a photo hoe. If you would have read my previous comments I stated that before....or do I have to use smaller words for you to understand?