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PrintableStoneCrib said: Word of caution for Wikipedia heads - Don't always trust the info you get from there becuase ANYBODY can write for Wikipedia.
yup. i avoid wikipedia like chittlins because of that. | |
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StoneCrib said: Word of caution for Wikipedia heads - Don't always trust the info you get from there becuase ANYBODY can write for Wikipedia.
o yea i know that, but thats why i figuered goin there would be a good place for the rap/hip hop definitions, a hip hop head probly wrote that Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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StoneCrib said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Is that a fact? Yet, you wrote that the Black Eye Peas and Puffy is Rap? Come on now, quit trippin'!  Uh, when did I say I wrote about THAT specifically? Try and stay on topic before you end up looking foolish.  I'm quite on topic, since I was talking about what you wrote 14 posts up.  | |
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Moonwalkbjrain said: StoneCrib said: Word of caution for Wikipedia heads - Don't always trust the info you get from there becuase ANYBODY can write for Wikipedia.
o yea i know that, but thats why i figuered goin there would be a good place for the rap/hip hop definitions, a hip hop head probly wrote that Or not. No way to prove it. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: theVelvetRoper said: I understand everything you're saying except for two things. The first is that 50 Cent doesn't straddle a damn thing... he's just as "rap" as the other b.s. you listed. The second is that Eminem WAS great, and I'm a HUGE fan of his early work, like from the time he realeased Infinite and all of his "underground" recordings from before he hit it big, and I love The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP. But now he's just so incredibly formulaic and it just sucks. "When I'm Gone" and "Mockingbird" just make me want to throw up. He's turned into "just rap", which really disappoints me as much as I love him. And what one producer links 50 and Em? = Dre. That's why I say they straddle the fence because their early work had some of the best trax ever produced and that was all Dre's doing. Hip Hop isn't just lyrics, you know. I didn't say anything about lyrics, but I do think a great lyricist is a huuuuge part of what makes a great rapper. Furthermore, I don't think that it makes 50 Cent any more credible because he's linked with Dr. Dre. I don't see how, because of Dr. Dre's past successes for himself and with NWA, that we should hail 5O Cent or even entertain the thought of him being a great rap artist. [Edited 3/21/06 13:23pm] | |
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theVelvetRoper said: StoneCrib said: And what one producer links 50 and Em? = Dre. That's why I say they straddle the fence because their early work had some of the best trax ever produced and that was all Dre's doing. Hip Hop isn't just lyrics, you know. I didn't say anything about lyrics, but I do think a great lyricist is a huuuuge part of what makes a great rapper. Furthermore, I don't think that it makes 50 Cent any more credible because he's linked with Dr. Dre. I don't see how, because of Dr. Dre's past successes for himself and with NWA, that we should hail 5O Cent or even entertain the thought of him being a great rap artist. [Edited 3/21/06 13:23pm] Show me where I said 50 was a great rapper? Show me where this is about 50's "credibility"? I was simply pointing out the differences between what qualifies as Rap and what qualifies as Hip Hop. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: Moonwalkbjrain said: o yea i know that, but thats why i figuered goin there would be a good place for the rap/hip hop definitions, a hip hop head probly wrote that Or not. No way to prove it. ok thats true..... ...and the debate continues! Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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StoneCrib said: theVelvetRoper said: I didn't say anything about lyrics, but I do think a great lyricist is a huuuuge part of what makes a great rapper. Furthermore, I don't think that it makes 50 Cent any more credible because he's linked with Dr. Dre. I don't see how, because of Dr. Dre's past successes for himself and with NWA, that we should hail 5O Cent or even entertain the thought of him being a great rap artist. [Edited 3/21/06 13:23pm] Show me where I said 50 was a great rapper? Show me where this is about 50's "credibility"? I was simply pointing out the differences between what qualifies as Rap and what qualifies as Hip Hop. I never said that you claimed 50 Cent was a great rapper, but a lot of people do. What you did say, pretty much, was he's more credible than some of the other crap out there through his association with Dr. Dre, and that is what I disagree with. | |
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BET's efforts to play different videos is HARDLY "serious". Its what stations do when market saturation occurs and viewership drops. "Let's play some of the other stuff to draw peoples' attention back to us". Its a bait and switch then its back to basics.
Back before Bob went all media mogul, they had a couple of good programs like NEXT and a couple of others that actually played "alternative R&B" and other artists. Bob wanted to make a black Mtv (present-day Mtv) so all of that had to go. | |
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theVelvetRoper said: StoneCrib said: Show me where I said 50 was a great rapper? Show me where this is about 50's "credibility"? I was simply pointing out the differences between what qualifies as Rap and what qualifies as Hip Hop. I never said that you claimed 50 Cent was a great rapper, but a lot of people do. What you did say, pretty much, was he's more credible than some of the other crap out there through his association with Dr. Dre, and that is what I disagree with. You're not making any sense. None whatsoever. Don't heap other people's views onto my views unless I've agreed to them already. And get your "pretty much" straight - that was NOT what I was saying, I was saying that the ELEMENTS in 50's music can be seen on both the Rap side and the Hip Hop side. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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Rhondab said: Rogue588 said: Rap, man, Rap. Hip Hop is intelligent. Rap is Puffy and his ilk. thank you for that correction. 
Hip hop is still bangin' and intelligent. I still don't know what the difference is. | |
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StoneCrib said: theVelvetRoper said: I never said that you claimed 50 Cent was a great rapper, but a lot of people do. What you did say, pretty much, was he's more credible than some of the other crap out there through his association with Dr. Dre, and that is what I disagree with. You're not making any sense. None whatsoever. Don't heap other people's views onto my views unless I've agreed to them already. And get your "pretty much" straight - that was NOT what I was saying, I was saying that the ELEMENTS in 50's music can be seen on both the Rap side and the Hip Hop side. Well, I'm sure I wouldn't make sense to a Rap Pages writer, whatever the hell that is. Since you're such an authority, why are you bothering writing this on a Prince forum? | |
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StoneCrib said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Personally, I think rap died when Tupac did. In my mind, rap didn't become the crud I know today as hip hop until those that didn't understand it realized that since they couldn't beat it, they might as well join it and capitalize off of it. One thing wrong with your comment - Pac wasn't rap. He was Hip Hop. Rap is whatever they call "Crunk" now. The South is pretty much all rap. Hip Hop is Mos Def, Talib, Nas (naw again at least), Pharoah Monche, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest. Rap is Puffy, Most of the South, Wack-Eye Peas, in other words, truly commercial shit with so much pop appeal and weak and meaningless lyrics along with average beats and samples. Then there are the artists that fall in between - Jay Z, 50 Cent, Snoop, Em - they straddle the line of rap and Hip Hop. So when did rap and hip hop become 2 seperarate entities? Where have I been? So how about that song "oh I think they like me"? what is that considered? Damn, i'm confused!  | |
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dancerella said: Rhondab said: thank you for that correction.
Hip hop is still bangin' and intelligent. I still don't know what the difference is. ACTUALLY....HIP HOP is the culture...Rap is the music of the culture BUT "rap" is also considered artist like Nelly, 50 cent, etc....hip hop...common, mos def, etc.... | |
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Rhondab said: dancerella said: I still don't know what the difference is. ACTUALLY....HIP HOP is the culture...Rap is the music of the culture BUT "rap" is also considered artist like Nelly, 50 cent, etc....hip hop...common, mos def, etc.... so the more serious "artsy" types are hip hop. i get it now. | |
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theVelvetRoper said: StoneCrib said: You're not making any sense. None whatsoever. Don't heap other people's views onto my views unless I've agreed to them already. And get your "pretty much" straight - that was NOT what I was saying, I was saying that the ELEMENTS in 50's music can be seen on both the Rap side and the Hip Hop side. Well, I'm sure I wouldn't make sense to a Rap Pages writer, whatever the hell that is. Since you're such an authority, why are you bothering writing this on a Prince forum? So that's your best retort? To try and bash me for being on the Org instead of being mature about it and ask me more questions about the topic like any sensible person would do? Look, if you can't handle discussions maturely, don't get involved in any. Just go to the General Discussion forum and show everyone your online picture and be done with it. Simple as that. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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dancerella said: StoneCrib said: One thing wrong with your comment - Pac wasn't rap. He was Hip Hop. Rap is whatever they call "Crunk" now. The South is pretty much all rap. Hip Hop is Mos Def, Talib, Nas (naw again at least), Pharoah Monche, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest. Rap is Puffy, Most of the South, Wack-Eye Peas, in other words, truly commercial shit with so much pop appeal and weak and meaningless lyrics along with average beats and samples. Then there are the artists that fall in between - Jay Z, 50 Cent, Snoop, Em - they straddle the line of rap and Hip Hop. So when did rap and hip hop become 2 seperarate entities? Where have I been? So how about that song "oh I think they like me"? what is that considered? Damn, i'm confused! They noticeably became 2 different entities the moment it was discovered money could be made off it. Like all art forms, they soon get watered down once big corporations get ahold of it and they try and bring in ANYBODY that claims they can rap and they then market the image and not the talent. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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Rhondab said: dancerella said: I still don't know what the difference is. ACTUALLY....HIP HOP is the culture...Rap is the music of the culture BUT "rap" is also considered artist like Nelly, 50 cent, etc....hip hop...common, mos def, etc.... To quote Busta Rymes: "Rap is Business music..Hip Hop is Cultural music"A happy face, A Thumpin Bass, For A Lovin' Race. PEACE. | |
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dancerella said: Rhondab said: ACTUALLY....HIP HOP is the culture...Rap is the music of the culture BUT "rap" is also considered artist like Nelly, 50 cent, etc....hip hop...common, mos def, etc.... so the more serious "artsy" types are hip hop. i get it now. Almost. That's the quickest way to say it though. The ones that take care of the craft are usually the legit ones (Hip Hop). Those that pimp it are usually the fronters (Rap). Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: dancerella said: so the more serious "artsy" types are hip hop. i get it now. Almost. That's the quickest way to say it though. The ones that take care of the craft are usually the legit ones (Hip Hop). Those that pimp it are usually the fronters (Rap). good way of putting it. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: StoneCrib said: Almost. That's the quickest way to say it though. The ones that take care of the craft are usually the legit ones (Hip Hop). Those that pimp it are usually the fronters (Rap). good way of putting it.  Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: workingupahiyellasweat said: [Bait snip - luv4u] Oh please!!! Flava Flav's show was no fucking where near brilliant. It was good for sympathetic laughs as was the Bobby Brown show. Both shows just prove how low we as a society will stoop for a buck. Exactly, it's not even cool. It's embarrasing! BET is boring channel, like I can't stand been in that channel for 2 seconds. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: as has been mentioned already: rap is the thorn in modern black music and culture's side right now...hip-hop is an absolutely different affair.
and as for BET trying now to attempt to rectify a situation that they've more or less have had a hand in constantly perpetuating? i find it laughable and i can't take 'em seriously. i haven't been able to take BET seriously for at least, what, 10+ years now. 
[Edited 3/21/06 8:45am] neither have I thats my point...the only time I watched BET was to get mad at it for being so horrible...they are making an effort...check it out [Edited 3/21/06 18:40pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: as has been mentioned already: rap is the thorn in modern black music and culture's side right now...hip-hop is an absolutely different affair.
and as for BET trying now to attempt to rectify a situation that they've more or less have had a hand in constantly perpetuating? i find it laughable and i can't take 'em seriously. i haven't been able to take BET seriously for at least, what, 10+ years now.
[Edited 3/21/06 8:45am] I always think that the way people explain away Hip Hop vs Rap as curious...and essentially those hip-hop fans with a conscience (because most so called music fans these days have none that's why we have the Black eyed Peas, 50 Cents, & Jessica Simpson) make excuses for the power that Hip Hop so routinely abuses. Sorry I'm not buying it. Hip Hop as a whole is a complete and utter disaster. Essentially what most of that shit says is that if your not a gansta, hard ass thug than you ain't black and your certainly not a man! It glorifies coming from the street being from the streets and thanks to the ridiculous problems black folks have with having babies out of wed lock many a young black man grows up thinking that the only way to make is to hustle either drugs, or hustle being a rapper. No I'm not talking about Mos Def, or Common, or Talib, etc... Ya'll know who I'm talking about and yes Jay Z is one of them. This dude is so powerful he could do the right thing...but he won't Hip Hop is very sad right now and unfortunately it has a death grip around the necks of two many black youth in this country...now thats keeping it real Of course the record companies are at fault also cause they don't give a shit that these images are destroying black folks because they are making so much money and cheaply by developing all of these no talents [Edited 3/21/06 18:44pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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and thanks to the ridiculous problems black folks have with having babies out of wed lock
See, that comment right there tells me you're not even close to being qualified to be involved in this discussion. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: and thanks to the ridiculous problems black folks have with having babies out of wed lock
See, that comment right there tells me you're not even close to being qualified to be involved in this discussion. what bothers you about that statement? That its the truth? We are having to many babies out of wed lock. We have babies raising babies and it is a much larger problem in our commmunity than in others stick to the issues and stop being so fucking sensative...lets keep it real [Edited 3/21/06 19:03pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: StoneCrib said: See, that comment right there tells me you're not even close to being qualified to be involved in this discussion. what bothers you about that statement? That its the truth? We are having to many babies out of wed lock. We have babies raising babies and it is a much larger problem in our commmunity than in others stick to the issues and stop being so fucking sensative...lets keep it real [Edited 3/21/06 19:03pm] Ok, Sherlock, since you know your shit.Give me the stats that support your statement. Can you? Don't back down now, you done opened ya mouth to where either fecal matter will come out or gold. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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can somebody please tell what happened to free and aj? | |
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StoneCrib said: Alexandernvrmind said: what bothers you about that statement? That its the truth? We are having to many babies out of wed lock. We have babies raising babies and it is a much larger problem in our commmunity than in others stick to the issues and stop being so fucking sensative...lets keep it real [Edited 3/21/06 19:03pm] Ok, Sherlock, since you know your shit.Give me the stats that support your statement. Can you? Don't back down now, you done opened ya mouth to where either fecal matter will come out or gold. try reading ...I'll help you...ignorance is so dangerous http://www.davidmacd.com/...astity.htm http://mentalhelp.net/psy...hap10u.htm Of course the whole reference to black folks having kids without fathers was that it contributes to the problems that young black males are specifically experiencing and that father figures are people like 50 cents. But of course you have distracted from that because you are so twisted that you can't get beyond the point that its a problem in the balck community. Tell you what if black folks spent less time being offended and more time handling their business we wouldn't be having this discussion. Its time for us to step up! [Edited 3/21/06 19:43pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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brownsugar said: can somebody please tell what happened to free and aj?
and "Teen Summit"? It used to be a decent show back in the day. BET has been on a death spiral for a while. When they took the news segment off the air it put the nail in the coffin for me. As long as they continue to show UnCut....I still wont take then seriously. [Edited 3/21/06 19:55pm] | |
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