PFunkjazz said:

you On Point Bro! Prince is Mr.Album Sticker Himself.folks back in the day who actually listened to Prince's Music&didn't just Comment on Him as a Person would say oh He is so Nasty&Vulgar,etc... I was like It's cool because I Know Prince has some Richard Pryor in Him.but Prince was Considered Raw for His time period in the Lilly White "Just Say No! Reagan Pure early 80's Image!!

Cum the 80s, I was gettin' all kinds of freaky sex from babes who listened to Prince. Especially from sisters! Before Prince you had to beg and plead for them to give you some good head. Then WHAM! BAM! they were all eager to do stuff as long as you had some Prince playin'! LOL! At least, that was my experience!

Wow! Music is so powerful and influential!!!
[This message was edited Mon Jul 15 21:26:00 PDT 2002 by Starmist7]

Oh well, guess what's playing on MTV when I get home? Regardless of what we all think of the song, she's using the ole' controversy routine to get some herself some attention - well, I guess she got it.

LQ

A lot of great valid points here. These types of songs are common down here(the south). I hate these types of songs with a passion uncontested. There's nothing to them. In a sense, these songs remind me of when the fellas and girls back in high school would exchange sexual rhetoric at each each other. Stuff like fellas saying..."yo come over here and suck on this snicker bar" and then she'd come back with "yeah fool after you get through licking this right here like you supposed to (pointing between her legs)...and fool don't front like you don't eat it"(LOL). So does "art" imitate real life???(LOL)

My younger sister picked me up one day and we were riding in her new car and this song came on. I had no problem with her playing this song. However, my nine year old niece was in the back seat of the car, singing the lyrics. So I called my sis out on it. She said "yeah...you're right I need to watch what I'm bumping in my ride". I mean these types of songs are all on the radio now-a-days.

I looked in the archives to check the topics that were discussed since I've been away and saw THE STATE OF BLACK MUSIC thread. I'll probably address some issues on that thread. Meanwhile, this is a major problem in black music, the lyrical content now leaves much to be desire.

Yes, we've come a long way from "good golly Miss Molly you should like to ball".

When looking at the evolution of the sexual content/lyrics in music, one can really see the envelope being pushed or is that LICKED further and further.

Brother915 said:

It can to bring out life's beauty, but then it can be used to pervert it also.

Although there is the dark evil side and the beautiful side to life, I think art was meant to comfort, and stimulate our minds in positive ways. When it doesn't, it leaves one feeling depressed and hopeless. Prince's music comforts and stimulates us even when he's talking explicitly about sex. For instance, in the 'Come' song, which I didn't feel the eating out part that much, I thought he was making out with the lady until I really started looking into the lyrics, (see even this can be interpreted in some other way) although it has some nice music added to it that makes you respond to it in positive ways.

Now this song by Khia is weightless and there's nothing creative or beautiful about it. The girl is not even singing and the song is childish for her to sing as a mother of two. I feel sorry for her ass that she got 2 little kids because she's going have to be wise and knowledgeable enough to explain the whole think about this sex business.

I think they're going to have to make some divisions in the music industry, and as someone else mentioned about 'porno music' which everyone sees is clearly getting to that point, (has anyone ever seen BET uncut at 2:00a.m?) I think soon there will be drawing the line between what should be played on the radio because all it does is downgrade the quality of music and life.

The way she’s expressing herself does not please one's ear to the sound of real music, nor does it stimulate a person's mind in any postive way. It's all about what is to be done to please her, which also resembles the selfishness behind all the sex in the music industry, and how it used to benefit itself by bringing up someone's name using sex, despite whatever impact it has on young people’s mind, and the impression it will leave on adults, as we continually try to make out what is becoming of real life and real music. This is the perversion of Art.
[This message was edited Mon Jul 15 20:24:57 PDT 2002 by Starmist7]

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Her message is a poor interpretation of woman power. Leave the female sexual revolution to Madonna. She knows how to do it in an arty/classy way.[/quote]



THANK YOU!! nuff said!

The day Shenaynay & her drum machine gets compared to Prince is the day we need to all shut our radios OFF...

Adore said:

THANK YOU!! nuff said![/quote]


Never thought I'd see the day someone would call Madonna classy! :LOL:

CalhounSq said:

I don't listen to music on my radios any more!!!

PFunkjazz said:

No wonder!!!

Starmist7 said:

Meaning what?

If you like "smooth jazz" "Brittney bubble-gum pop" and tired-ass hip-hop, I'll give you all my damn radios. LA airwaves suck.

Still, I'm out quite often hearing live music. LA's funk underground has a lot of great bands you won't hear on the radio, cuz black radio don't play black funk and white radio can't find it. I cop lots of new music at the shows. Where'd you get your funk from? MTV? Come to my house, that's what you gonna be askin' (s'okay, happens to the best of 'em).



I ain't mad @ cha,
but I am laffin @cha

Nah, you ain't gotta laugh at me cause I'll laugh right back at ya...

I'm not into that Britney Spears BS, smooth jazz can get tiring after awhile, bubble gum rap pops the same way, and that porno song is doing nothing for me.

I am willing though to learn about those upcoming artists, so is there a possibility of me EVER coming across, or ever hearing of them by some other means??? (I love funk too)

Starmist7 said:

yeah I'll gladly pee in anybody's afro who ain't fakin da funk. watch your org notes for some funky tips to pick.

Whatever happened to Lil Kim? With this song,it looks like Khia is stealing some of her thunder.

PFunkjazz said:

Never thought I'd see the day someone would call Madonna classy! :LOL:[/quote]likewise&when i wake up i'll still claim I didn't see it.

DavidEye said:

Oh Man She will be Back.last time I Saw Her She was selling that Outift where Her Nipple was Hanging out that Diana Ross was trying to Cover up on the MTV Video Awards Show.Lil Kim will Be Back but will Her Audience?? Last I Heard She was down with Ray J. Brandy's Brother.Lil Kim is trying hard to be the Black Pam Anderson IMHO.

Due to time constraints,I'll address the issues of The State Of Black Music on this thread since the two threads are similiar. The following are things that I feel are wrong now-a-days in black music...


1. LACK OF QUALITY SONGWRITING THAT CONNECTS TO THE PEOPLE- Let's face it. This is one of the main problem in all of music really, not just R&B. They just write em like they used to. Back in the day you had Gamble & Huff, Curtis Mayfield, Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, Linda Creed etc...with lyrics that touch the mind hearts and soul of the community. Back in the 70's, my parents, my relatives, my friends and myself wouldn't hesitate to trot down toour local record store to buy even a brand new 45 rpm of an artist (before the album even came out) because the song was so good. These songs told stories that we could relate. A lot of these songs were describing our state of mind, the world we were living in, the hurt and pain we were feeling from that breakup from our relationship. These songs captured the very essence of what were feeling, the moment we laid our eyes on that fine specimen of a human being.
People could relate to the songs back then. Even the dance songs back then were good. A lot of those dance songs, even though they dealt with the subject of dancing, at least the writers were clever lyricists and knew how to craft and structure a good song. And YES...a lot of the dance songs had great powerful lyrics {like a lot of the Gamble And Huff songs}. Songs like McFadden And Whitehead "Ain't No Stopping Us Now" was powerful and potent. This was a dance/disco song, yet the song was a black pride anthem. Yet anyone from any race could dance to it (and even relate to it). This can be evidenced by the fact that it crossed over from R&B radio to Top 40 POP radio. Now-a-days, the songs are so one dimensional. The subject seems to deal from "everybody hatin on me" to these sex crazed songs about freaking somebody all night long. Yes I know, nothing is new under the sun, artists have been making songs like this throughout history. But at least Marvin and Barry had some class about the lyrical content of their sexual intentions. The common complaint I hear from people about people now is that the lyrics are so dull lacking any originality. Everybody is doing the same thing the same way.

2. GOOD LISTENERSHIP- What Brother 9/15 getting on the music listeners. Yes I am, today all a lot of music listeners care about is a good beat. When you hear people mentioned the greatness of a song now, it's usually "yo I like that song it's got a TIGHT beat. People seems to have sense of a song having great melodic structures with beautiful chord changes and chord progressions. Now it's all about The Beat. It's not a stretch to say that people will fork out their hard earned dollars for a whole CD as long as the majority of the disc have tracks with blazing beats. Whenever an artist have a successful debut album and then tries to come back and challenge themselves as a musician an artist (at the same time challenge their audience), sales of the sophomore album will usually drop. Let me give three artists off the top that come to mind that had great debut albums but then flipped the script on their sophomore effort only to get a lukewarm reception {Terence Trent Darby, Erykah Badu and Lauryn Hill}. Because music listeners want the same things over and over, an artist can come out with an album of strong artistic merit and flop commercially and eventually get dropped by the label(if it happens enough times). Back in the day, artistic merit was rewarded with platinum and multi-platinum success{think Earth Wind And Fire, Curtis Mayfield and the Spinners just to name three groups that had great uplifting lyrics that spoke to the heart and soul of mankind}, Now artistic merit in most cases are not rewarded and lame artists that lack vision of any type or groups that lack any type of cohesiveness are put up on a pedestal. It's a shame but that's where we stand now.


3. LACK OF MUSICIANSHIP- No need to elaborate here. After all who needs REAL musicians that supply REAL in-the-pocket grooves so REAL people can do a REAL dance when you got drum machines and beat sequencers suppling those TIGHT beats.


4. THE CD MEDIUM- These artists now-a-days can't even come up with 38 minutes of good music let alone an 80 minute CD worth of good materal. In the 70's after the album concept got established, a record buyer may get only 38 minutes of music (with 7 to 8 songs). But guess what? At least 6 of those songs were good and many times, the whole album was excellent. Now-a-days a record buyer will spend $20 bucks for only 2 or three good songs. People are now complaining, because it is getting absurd. You know anytime USA TODAY and BILLBOARD magazine run an article about this (within two months of each), the situation is serious. Record companies are not contemplating releases EP's instead of full length CDs.

5)WHAT THE COMMUNITY WILL ACCEPT- As long as people keep buying Khia's "My Neck My Back", record companies are going to continue producing it. It is a sad day in black music when these types of songs are all on the radio and on the charts. If the record buying public was to stand and say "we're not going to buy this type of stuff anymore..good beats or not", then record companies would take notice real quick. In other words, the community would be hitting them in the pocketbook .

So yes, the state of black music is in sad shape now. Yes there are a few good artists out there making good music of substance. But all in all, the gist of what's out there is a lot of junk that is spelled J - U - N - K!!!

Yours Truly,
Brother 9/15, A disgruntled R&B/Soul/Funk Music Lover

Brother915 said:

On my last post, I meant to say Record companies are NOW considering releasing EP's instead of full length CDs. It's one of many typos on my short essay.

Sadly, I doubt that people will ever want to stop buying these songs and records because it satisfies them in the sense that's its relating only to their sexuality--a BIG weakness. Guess that's why sex will always sell.

Secondly, I don't think music will ever get back to the way it was. It's only going to get worse, and worse, just like every other aspect of life. It's sounds pessimistic, but I sincerely think that's the truth. Unless some people come together and start thinking of ways of 'getting' to people through their music, just one artist who can make a difference, if given the chance, then so. But the chances look rather low, although I sincerely hope so.

Starmist7 said:

what type of messages do u want?

Anything that just doesn't have to deal with sex alone, or music that is inspired from one real artist that loves music, writes and creates drawing from his or her own experiences that wants to communicate and enlighten people through their music with sincere thoughts and a true message. If the song is about a sexual experience, to put it in a way that it doesn't tell how it's to be done, and if it just so happens to be about that, then to put in a way that it makes us learn something new about the experience that others haven't realized, and not make it seem like it's a perverted act. Whenever I bring up the 'Come' song I seem to contradict myself in some way because others might say it has graphic sexual lyrics, but at least there's some poetry in there that makes you wonder about the act he's talking about, unlike Khia's song that makes the sex act seem nothing but a few empty words with no style or flavor. It's not as creative as art should be, nor is it as imaginative and poetic as Prince's sexually explicit lyrics are in his music.

But I feel like my posts are draggin, so I'll say no more on this thread until I reach a final conclusion about my thoughts and opinions about the BIG and obvious differences between Prince and these other artist's 'music'.

Peace.
[This message was edited Tue Jul 16 11:45:03 PDT 2002 by Starmist7]

Brother915 said:

AMEN BRO on the Post.RIght ON!!

DID U HEAR THAT KHIA I GOT SHOT BECUZ SHE GAVE HER MAN AIDS. AND NOW SHE SING MY NECK MY BACK THAT SHIT HERT LIKE THAT LOL LOL LOL LOL

soulsinger56 said:

Yeah, cause AIDS and getting shot are pretty damned funny, you got to admit...

(Just bein' a lil sarcastic there, soulsinger, no harm/no foul )

soulsinger56 said:

(oops, computer problemo, sorry for the double post!)
[This message was edited Tue Jul 16 17:56:47 PDT 2002 by AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead]

CalhounSq said:

LMAO!

Vagina said:[quote]If you don't like something don't buy it or don't listen to it! That's what the warning labels on the cds are for to warn parents. quote]

We're not talking about buying c.d.'s. OBVIOUSLY they're not buying these c.d.'s for their children. They're hearing it off the radio. Should we not let them listen 2 the radio 2? They even play this on the top 40 bubblegum stations.

There comes a point where radio and retail have a responsibility. Parents can't watch their children every waking second of the day...and God knows (actually I know) what type of music they hear from other kids at school or at their friend's houses.

Do u have children Vagina? If so, I pity them because one will become a pimp and the other a crackpot whore.

Cheers!

According to MTV.com,rapper Too Short has just recorded an "answer" record to this song.The title?

"My Dick,My Sack"

Makes you feel real good about the future of pop music,huh?

THAT'S WHY I LISTEN TO PRINCE HE HAS AWAY WITH WORDS, EVEN BACK IN THAT EARLY ERA...