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Reply #30 posted 07/14/02 12:57pm

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I think it has a good beat, and I think there is a place for everything.
A song like this might be fine in a night club, but I don't think it should really be shown and heard on daytime T.V. and radio.
The young lady in the video is very attractive, but I wonder how she will feel about a song like this in about 10 years. Especially if it's her only hit.
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Reply #31 posted 07/14/02 1:27pm

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I work as a DJ in a friggin' strip club and I think the song is rude. I played it once on a Saturday night to see what kind of reaction it got. You could actually see ppl flinch when the chick started throwing out those crass and classless lyrics. Before ppl start calling me a sexist, I have to admit that I love to play Lil Kim's 'How Many Licks' and Mercedes 'I can Tell'... It's not the fact that a woman is singing about sex, it is the fact that it is vulgar and not the least bit sensual or even playfully erotic. Straight Ghetto/Truckstop crap if you ask me.
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Reply #32 posted 07/14/02 1:34pm

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snugit said:
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i wanna fuck u so bad it hurts, it hurts, it hurts. i wanna (x6) i wanna fuck u. yeah, i wanna (x4) iwanna fuck u. look here marsha, im not sayin this just 2 b nasty, i sencerely eanna fuck thr taste out of your mouth. can u relate? Lets pretend were married-Prince
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This version was not played on the radio!!! A edited version was releashed as a single.

The lyrics of today are a lot worst then anything Prince came up with and we know that Warner Brothers would not have let Prince make a video of the unedited song.

The best thing to do to stop this kind of garbage is to not buy it and boycott the stations, advertisers and corporations that put this crap out there for kids.
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Reply #33 posted 07/14/02 1:38pm

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AzureStar said:

I first heard this song yesterday. I think it's just a little too explicit for radio play. I say this because my 4 year old wanted to know why she kept wanting to be licked on her neck and back. confused

Thought I would add this. This is the radio version.

KHIA LYRICS

"My Neck, My Back"

All you ladies pop that thing like this
Shake your body, don't stop, don't quit
All you ladies pop that thing like this
Shake your body, don't stop, don't quit
Just do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now

Lick this, just like you should
Right now, Lick it good
Lick this just like you should
My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that

My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that
My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that
My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that
My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that

First you gotta put your neck into it
Ah, don't stop, just do, do it
Then you roll your tongue, from the back up to the front
Then ya get it off, keep me up on ya
Make sure I keep my eyes on ya
All over the club and stuff
Real player show me so much love
The best love comes slow and long
Knows how to stay down on ya
All night 'till the crack of dawn
Real good, keep it comin' strong
Through the night, making so much love
In dead sleep when the sun comes up

So, lick it now, lick it good
Lick this just like you should
Right now, lick it good
Lick this just like you should

[Chorus]
My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that
My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that

You might roll dutch, you might have G's
But so what player, get on your knees
A girl like me moans and screams
Thug misses know what I mean
At the club so fresh, so clean
Girls hatin' fellas watchin' me
Standin' out in the line, so clean
With a unit on my face, so mean
I gotta pick which fella I need
To take me out, spend his money on me
Try me I'll make you see
No other girl got nothin' me

So, lick it now, lick it good
Lick this just like you should
Right now, lick it good
Lick this just like you should

My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that
My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that

So, lick it now, lick it good
Lick this just like you should
Right now, lick it good
Lick this just like you should

My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that
My Neck, my back
Lick my ... just like that




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[This message was edited Sat Jul 13 11:41:52 PDT 2002 by AzureStar]



I AGREE. RADIO SHOULD NOT PLAY THIS SONG LIKE THEY HAVE WHICH HAS BEEN BASICALLY ALL DAY. SO THAT TELLS ME THAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT YOUNG KIDS ARE LISTENING TO THE RADIO, THEY JUST CARE ABOUT THE DOLLAR SIGNS. RADIO SUCKS THAT'S WHY I DON'T TUNE IN!!!
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Reply #34 posted 07/14/02 2:06pm

NikkiDarling

AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead said:

TheBluePrince said:

AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead said:

This is exactly the kind of situation where I become very confused...

On the one hand, I think women have long been denied the right to their sexuality. We're supposed to be these sweet, nice girls who are only sexual when men want us. In this song, Khia's very proud of her sexuality and demands her own sexual satisfaction--it's not the typical "let me please my man with my body/skills" song. She's in charge of her sexual pleasure, saying "this is what I want and this is how I want you to do it". smile

Secondly, she's not the ideal physical beauty, which I like. She looks "normal", with a regular body, not some Tyra Banks/Halle Berry thing going on.

However, like you said, I really don't like the continued stress on "woman as sex object" that the song and video are all about. To me, sexuality is hotter when it's not done crudely, when it's expressed with taste.


I understand...I'm glad women are no longer sexually suppressed. But now they're being used! You have to be a certain age to purchase porno, atleat in most places. This video along with other images are being made available on National TV. All of the images on television that show women in these uncompromising positions, is surely going to make it MORE difficult to me as a Father to teach my son and students, to treat women equally and with respect.

Blue
"don't play me"


Well, women are still being used sexually, there really isn't much difference these days about that. Women think sex gives them power with men, and since men will pay for sex (or the promise of it), women shake their asses. Women always have been and still are primarily valued for how they look. Many times on the Org, I'll try to draw attention to the fact that whenever a female musician is brought up, most of the talk on the part of both male and female Orgersis about how she looks. Not about her voice, her lyrics, her music--her face and body get most attention. It's the same way about women in non-music careers as well, the focus with her male coworkers isn't usually on what a good job she does at her work, it's on how "fuckable" she is.

I really would like to see more male artists getting shit from other men for the things they sing about women and sex, that's where it starts. If men could appreciate women as more than sex objects, women would start respecting themselves a little more. It should be the other way around--women respecting themselves without the approval of men--and for many women, our parents did a good job instilling a sense of self-respect, but it would help 100X more if men could do it too.
[This message was edited Sat Jul 13 13:40:53 PDT 2002 by AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead]


Prince was one of the MTV generation pioneers of presenting women as capable musicians and as sex objects. On the one hand, he had Wendy and Lisa in his band. On the other hand, he had someone like Apollonia singing a duet with him.

He also created Vanity 6 and Apollonia 6, women of marginal singing or dancing talent, but they looked interesting in lingerie. He also is responsible for inflicting Carmen Electra on the public.
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Reply #35 posted 07/14/02 2:12pm

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This song has been on Bet's Countdown for awhile. Most of my friends like it. It's in heavy rotation everywhere. My woman and I were in Best Buy yesterday, and they played 'She Loves Me 4 Me' we both smiled, it's our favorite song on TRC and then immediately after that, they played Khia 'My neck, my back...' Our smile turned into a frown in record time.

The song and the girl (Khia) drive me absolutlely NUTS! I HATE IT! I'm so sick of the 'slutty-ho, ghetto, Thug misses' image of black women. It's insulting, and so-called Black stations, continue to promote these negative stereotypes of African-American woman, and all women.

I guess it boils my blood so much because, there's a little girl somewhere in AMerica, sitting at home in front of the TV watching a Rap/Rock video, being influenced by it's Negative Subliminal Message: "All YoU aRe Is A pReTtY fAcE AnD a BoDy, YoU DoN't HaVe A mInD, yOu CaN Be A mOdEl Or A dAnCeR, cOllEgE iS tOo ExPeNsIvE..."

For those of you that haven't heard the song by Khia, it goes something like this...

All you ladies pop yo' pussy like this
Shake your body, don't stop, don't miss
All you ladies pop yo' pussy like this
Shake your body, don't stop, don't miss
Just do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now

Lick it good
Suck this pussy just like you should - right now
Lick it good
Suck this pussy just like you should - my neck, my back
Lick my pussy and my crack

[repeat 4X] Chorus
My neck, my back
Lick my pussy and my crack

I know Prince has been Explicit back in the day, but this is TERRIBLE!

Share you thoughts, please... I pray I'm not alone!

Blue Cashmere
"don't play me"


Nasty! My butt my Crack...
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Reply #36 posted 07/14/02 2:24pm

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As AnotherLover and a few others have mentioned and alluded to; this song is just downright crude. And there is a difference between crudeness and explicitness.

In my opinion Prince was explicit without being CRUDELY DETAILED in any of his songs as compared to this one. Some may consider "Let's Pretend We're Married" as having crude lyrics. In my opinion it's not. No, not because it's Prince. Because the part in LPWM lasts about what, 20 seconds altogether? Just going by the lyrics in the initial post by TheBluePrince about this particular song it lasts the entire song, and is MUCH more detailed.

Some might say that "Erotic City"'s lyrics are crude. I don't think "fuck" is crude (others probably do), but there is no doubt it's explicit. "Sister"? I could see how a specific lyric within it could be pointed out as crude, but again that crude part lasts a lot less than this new song, and "Sister" is a very short song to begin with.

I don't think Prince has sung any lyrics that are as detailed as much as that song in crudeness.
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Reply #37 posted 07/14/02 2:34pm

NikkiDarling

What's scary is that some record producer is probably right now working on a male answer song for this "My Neck My Back" nonsense.

They'll find some clueless young man to do the song from a male's point a view. A "suck my dick and cup my balls" song is probably coming to a TV set near you any day now.
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Reply #38 posted 07/14/02 3:11pm

aspera773

NikkiDarling said:

They'll find some clueless young man.

Yeah, his name's Too Short. Like I've stated, there are about 5 different remixes coming to a radio & TV station near U. PEACE
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Reply #39 posted 07/14/02 3:12pm

AzureStar

computerblue said:

... You could actually see ppl flinch when the chick started throwing out those crass and classless lyrics. Before ppl start calling me a sexist, I have to admit that I love to play Lil Kim's 'How Many Licks' and Mercedes 'I can Tell'... It's not the fact that a woman is singing about sex, it is the fact that it is vulgar and not the least bit sensual or even playfully erotic. Straight Ghetto/Truckstop crap if you ask me.


I agree...the song isn't sensual or erotic in any way.

I thought I'd add this...this is what Khia had to say about the song in an interview with MTV:


The mantra "sex sells" has also been followed religiously by marketing execs for many moons, though the 25-year-old said the message has only recently been embedded in her brain. People have been listening to her sexual demands on "My Neck, My Back" for months, and — much to her astonishment — they're loving it.

"I guess the world is just nasty and freaky like that," she said. "It's not even my favorite song, and I was kind of surprised that's the song that everybody jumped on. ... That song is just nothing compared to my other music. It's like, 'That's what the world is about today,' so hey, it works for me.

"It just spread," Khia continued, addressing the song's recent appeal. "It took its time to work its way up. I've been riding this out in the South. Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Kansas City, St. Louis, it's been out for like a year. It's just really getting to [the rest of the country]."



I haven't heard any of her other music, but the comment she made about "That's what the world is about today, so hey, it works for me", makes me wonder if she'll be making more like this, because it sells. Are any of her other songs getting any attention?



Full interview here: http://www.mtv.com/news/a...khia.jhtml


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Reply #40 posted 07/14/02 3:39pm

snugit

SynthiaRose said:

snugit said:

i wanna fuck u so bad it hurts, it hurts, it hurts. i wanna (x6) i wanna fuck u. yeah, i wanna (x4) iwanna fuck u. look here marsha, im not sayin this just 2 b nasty, i sencerely eanna fuck thr taste out of your mouth. can u relate? Lets pretend were married-Prince



These words in the context of this kickass, clever, smartly written song are fine. Prince is art, from his vocals to his music composition to his risque passion. Khia is an artless fool with no redeeming talent who is prostituting herself for a beat.She is getting undue reception, which speaks to the pathetic state of music, its purveyors, and its audience today.

But thanks for the comparison, It has inspired me to play 1999 and blast Let's Pretend We're Married loud (yes on a Sunday with my window open)
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Reply #41 posted 07/14/02 3:49pm

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SynthiaRose said:

snugit said:

i wanna fuck u so bad it hurts, it hurts, it hurts. i wanna (x6) i wanna fuck u. yeah, i wanna (x4) iwanna fuck u. look here marsha, im not sayin this just 2 b nasty, i sencerely eanna fuck thr taste out of your mouth. can u relate? Lets pretend were married-Prince



These words in the context of this kickass, clever, smartly written song are fine. Prince is art, from his vocals to his music composition to his risque passion. Khia is an artless fool with no redeeming talent who is prostituting herself for a beat.She is getting undue reception, which speaks to the pathetic state of music, its purveyors, and its audience today.

But thanks for the comparison, It has inspired me to play 1999 and blast Let's Pretend We're Married loud (yes on a Sunday with my window open)


WHOO-HOO!!! (((SynthiaRose)))

star

It's funny this song is being brought up - I just saw the video for the first time yesterday. Not the entire video, just the 30 seconds I could stand to watch.

This song is a piece of shit. I'm SO sick of people getting over based on the fact that they have a pussy & like to sing about it. GET OVER IT. Have some talent, write a cool song, do a dance that involves more regions than the pelvis, put something worthy into the world 'cause singing about your crack is NOT...

star

On another note: nice to see you holding it down (as always!), Supernova... wink
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Reply #42 posted 07/14/02 3:55pm

Vagina

Prince is not disgusting and he never will be. His ballads are romantic and beautiful. Rap music is in your face with no B.S. telling it straight up like it is. Prince has class and Finesse and yes he is smooth.
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Reply #43 posted 07/14/02 4:05pm

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eek Damn...I hate this song, it is sickening and I have a 13 year old daughter, who was singing the hell outta that crap, I heard her and told her what the song was about and how it is degrading, especially for her to be singing that crap. I don't listen to radio very often, I just recently found out about this song, and I too am appalled by it, and all the other smutty, thug style shit that is being played for our children to listen to...damn that's the state of the world today??? I hope not...peace and blessings sad
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Reply #44 posted 07/14/02 4:08pm

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Vagina said:

Prince is not disgusting and he never will be. His ballads are romantic and beautiful. Rap music is in your face with no B.S. telling it straight up like it is. Prince has class and Finesse and yes he is smooth.


Yeah, the camaflouge of explicit lyrics works better because it makes the music and lyrics more poetic and beautiful, and not so raw. Besides, it can be interpreted in different ways, so you make the sense that you want out of it. That's the beauty and the difference of Prince's music as compared to these other artists.

For instance, I never took 'Erotic City' as a sexually explicit song until someone mentioned it here. Well, that's what it means to them, but not to me because I chose which way I wanted to take it.

Now what Kia is singing, is not artistic. That's just straight up disgusting and degrading. You get one interpetation, and one graphic image on your mind that resembles pornography.

There's nothing creative or artistic about that.
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Reply #45 posted 07/14/02 4:13pm

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almost as bad as "Tweet - Oooh My" Very beneath anything that Missy Elliot is capable of.
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Reply #46 posted 07/14/02 4:15pm

snugit

I was not making a comparison, only stating the "truth", as Prince likes 2 say. I am a fam who attended this years celebretion, as well as last years. I enjoy the "new Prince", as well as the lets pretend were married-Prince.If we as fams can accept Prince's growth and maturity,can't we be a little more tolerant for someone who is younger and less mature.Prince is alot older than he was when he sung lpwm.
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Reply #47 posted 07/14/02 4:22pm

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snugit said:

I was not making a comparison, only stating the "truth", as Prince likes 2 say. I am a fam who attended this years celebretion, as well as last years. I enjoy the "new Prince", as well as the lets pretend were married-Prince.If we as fams can accept Prince's growth and maturity,can't we be a little more tolerant for someone who is younger and less mature.Prince is alot older than he was when he sung lpwm.


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Reply #48 posted 07/14/02 5:31pm

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this is funny. :LOL:

Prince fans debating overt sexuality in someone's music. The purple funk was always upfront about it.
Now we se how you view you.
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Reply #49 posted 07/14/02 5:49pm

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Vashti said:

almost as bad as "Tweet - Oooh My" Very beneath anything that Missy Elliot is capable of.



Now see, I liked Tweet's song. And the ones by other women on a similar theme: "I touch Myself" (sung by somebody in the 80's) and She Bop (Cyndi Lauper).

Too me these songs are about a woman's power to please herself sensually and not be dependent on a man. That's empowering.

Tweet's song is a narrative and she tells her post-man experience delicately. talking about the clothes coming off piece by piece. There's nothing really explicit. She leaves enough to the imagination to make it interesting and sexy.

Now if she had talked about insertions and stuff then.. maybe I'd lump her with Khia, but Tweet kept it subtle and is definitely more musically talented than Khia.
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Reply #50 posted 07/14/02 6:05pm

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There's an argument journalists keep bringing up that Prince sang about the same things, just more tastefully.
To me, that's the point. There's a more tasteful way 2 do things.
Today's artists are just too graphic, especially considering the audience they're promoted to - teenagers.
When my co-worker told me that his 13-year-old had just purchased the infamous Lil' Kim CD (basing it on the edited version of No Time), I asked him had he listened 2 it. I can imagine his face when hit with the opening lyrics, "I use to B scared of the dick. Now I throw lips 2 the shit. Handle it like a real bitch..." HE may have cracked a smile smile, and probably kept it 4 himself when he took it away from her the next day. But, the point is he knew it was too much 4 a 13-year-old 2 be listening to.
I'm not necessarily blaming artists as much as marketing and media. It's about who they're promoting the product to.
Also, abucah made an interesting observation about Prince & sexuality. Check it out.
http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=18180
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Reply #51 posted 07/14/02 7:09pm

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I don't like the lyrics and I haven't heard the song, thank God. There is nothing wrong with a woman expressing her sexuality, however, like someone mentioned above, why does expressing it have to involve a base and negative overtone. What I mean by "base and negative" is it leaves a bad taste in the mouth - well, maybe not to some men. I have never understood man's need to turn something beautiful like sex into something so dirty and unspeakable to enjoy it, like the tabooness of the subject is what is the centerpoint of the mind to enjoy it.

Sex is so beautiful and it isn't so much the act which she is singing about that is disgusting - it's the way it's presented like serving food on a dirty plate. Even though yes, Prince was very open in his lyrics, it is what I loved about him most. You could tell that he didn't view sex as dirty and something you shouldn't be doing - but natural regardless of how you wish to express it. I was fortunate enough to enjoy Prince's Dirty Mind as I was coming of age, so I was right there with him and it was fun, beautiful, experimental and you were left feeling good about all that you did or expressed.

Khia is merely playing onto the general consensus of sex - the same mindset which sells it for its rebellious explicitedness, however, very few women understand how to do this because they feel this is the only way to get men interested in them. This is so far from the truth, but there's enough bozos out there who convince the media that it's lucrative. If that's what she wants to do, then . . . I've heard nothing but complaints about the song, even on other message boards from women and men.

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Reply #52 posted 07/14/02 7:15pm

Starmist7

PFunkjazz said:

this is funny. :LOL:

Prince fans debating overt sexuality in someone's music. The purple funk was always upfront about it.
Now we se how you view you.


At least Prince has a band, is creativite, fun, and romantic in his lyrics that goes along with his music. This is what upcoming artists lack so much of in their style of music...that’s what I'm saying!
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Reply #53 posted 07/14/02 7:45pm

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songs about masturbation are fine and all..but damn...

Overt sexual lyrics are fine...with some imagination involved...
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Reply #54 posted 07/14/02 8:25pm

PFunkjazz

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Starmist7 said:

PFunkjazz said:

this is funny. :LOL:

Prince fans debating overt sexuality in someone's music. The purple funk was always upfront about it.
Now we se how you view you.


At least Prince has a band, is creativite, fun, and romantic in his lyrics that goes along with his music. This is what upcoming artists lack so much of in their style of music...that’s what I'm saying!
[This message was edited Sun Jul 14 19:54:26 PDT 2002 by Starmist7]


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Reply #55 posted 07/14/02 8:35pm

Starmist7

I am real. I just don't see it your way. So BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, back at you.
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Reply #56 posted 07/14/02 11:05pm

NikkiDarling

PFunkjazz said:

Starmist7 said:

PFunkjazz said:

this is funny. :LOL:

Prince fans debating overt sexuality in someone's music. The purple funk was always upfront about it.
Now we se how you view you.


At least Prince has a band, is creativite, fun, and romantic in his lyrics that goes along with his music. This is what upcoming artists lack so much of in their style of music...that’s what I'm saying!
[This message was edited Sun Jul 14 19:54:26 PDT 2002 by Starmist7]


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Get real. This ain't nothin', but "the chickens coming home to roost".


I agree, PFunk. Artists have been pushing the envelope, each successive generation pushing further and further to see how much they could get away with.

There isn't much more left in the envelope. It's going to be all pushed out into the open. Porn music is now being marketed and sold to kids, and it's only a matter of time before the porn music for kids leads to porn videos for kids.
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Reply #57 posted 07/14/02 11:31pm

Wolf

Even the people that are making the dirty records now have said Prince was really pushing the lyrical boundaries, FOR THAT TIME. Obviously most of what Prince sang back then would not be flinched at these days by most people because a lot of people feel its less derogatory by comparison. Anyone who has listened to a lot of the dirty records over the last decade or so knows this is depths of the gutter stuff in comparison to even Dirty Mind. Those who don't realize it are oblivious to the content of a lot of the stuff and will just go by what they know of Prince's old music by saying he was just as bad. Just as I wouldn't allow my kids to listen to some of Prince's stuff at a certain age, I sure wouldn't allow them to listen to any of the base level music that is worst.
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Reply #58 posted 07/14/02 11:32pm

Vagina

Prince is classy. A class act for sure. Sex Ed does teach children how to protect themselves and to use condoms and Blue Prince you are a nut not me. A lot of you people commenting here sound like Tipper Gore people. If you don't like something don't buy it or don't listen to it! That's what the warning labels on the cds are for to warn parents. Khia's song is popular right now and so is Little Kim they may be dirty no ones disputing that but they are good and the teenagers love them just like Eminem. Prince will always be number 1 in my book,but I gotta admit I do like Rap also and I don't think it's bad.
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Reply #59 posted 07/15/02 1:03am

DavidEye

I've been hearing this song for weeks on the radio and I finally saw the video this weekend.The unedited version is much too steamy for radio...lol...she goes into EXPLICIT detail on how she wants her man to go down on her.It's a really nasty song.It's the type of song that you hate yourself for singing along to smile

"My neck,my back,my...just like that!!"

I bet klhk loves this song...lol...
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