ECHO why do you only refer to the pre-mecca Malcolm X instead of El Hajj Malik El Shabazz.
Malcolm was racist previous to going on his Hajj.
When he returned to America he renounced his previous teachings saying that he met White Muslims & that the teachings of Elijah Muhammad were flawed in regards to true Islam.

Malcolm & Lincoln are both victims of history because they were not allowed to live out their lives.

By the way, the gunmen who killed Malcolm were Black, but Malcolm was a victim of COINTELPRO.He was poisoned in Egypt & was denied access to France because they feared he would be assassinated in France by CIA.

Oh Andy...

rdhull said:

Andy? Who the frig is Andy? And by the way, the post you replied to wasn't even addressed to you, if you hadn't noticed.

What alternative lifestyles have I ever questioned? I think & I've written repeatedly here that "it's ok to be gay." Who would condemn someone for the way they're born? I think you have me confused with someone imagined.

That needs to be acknowledged? That's the point, that's ALL that's acknowledged about it. Now that there is a bigger picture being pointed out with Lincoln by pop star that doesn't have as big an audience as he used to, NOW Lincoln freeing the slaves needs to be acknowledged. If Lincoln freeing the slaves was never acknowledged George Washington being the first American president was never acknowledged. Now that a more well rounded story is being told people want to fixate on the fact that he freed the slaves. Great.

Wolf said:

Yes it does because no matter what his racist views were he still accomplished the deed. I am not saying that his racism should be overlooked, I am saying that everyone needs to remember that no matter what he felt he was still responsible for the freeing of the slaves. And what exactly do you think fixating on the bad parts of his charector accomplishes? All it does accomplish is to give some people more reason to feel hate. Now is that a real plus.

Lots of love to you all.

There is nothing at all racist about my avatar or the accompanying text. Any reasonable-minded individual can see that it merely asks a question. It reads "any man who condemns Abraham Lincoln as a racist on the basis of one quote had better be prepared to do the same for the so-called heroes of their own race." How exactly, is that offensive? It's pointing out the strong potential for hypocrisy. Do you even know who I'm actually addressing? I'm certainly not alone in the opinion that there is quite a bit of racist content on TRC & misguided views of history on the song Avalanche (an opinion that's certainly open to interpretation), and the particular avatar of Malcolm X was chosen to associate what's written in my signature with a readily visual example of a black man who was revered by many, yet did certainly did not lead an unblemished or angelic life. No different from Abraham Lincoln, a man with both very good & very bad points. Perhaps you (& Prince) need to be reminded that whatever Lincoln's personal character flaws may have been, he was a product of his time. He was a politician. And he was human. You forget that without him, regardless of his personal beliefs, he still produced the Emancipation Proclamation. He still commanded the armies that fought for the freedom of blacks in the Civil War. And he still died because of what he accomplished for your people. On the other hand, for much of his life, Malcolm Xwas filled with hate toward white people (a far more dangerous position than Lincoln's unfortunate apathy), and whether or not his opinions may have changed before he died, he was still gunned down by members of his own race - one time allies - hardly a mark of having achieved much in terms of unifying the races.

So many of you are so eager to swallow anything that Prince spews as if it were gospel, ignoring facts in favor of supporting your "hero." If you can't handle something as simple as a picture on a web page, I suggest you take the cork out of your collective posterior & loosen up.

mulefunk - thank you for at least being rational & civil.

I concentrate on the pre-mecca Malcolm because these people have not acknowledged the contributions of Lincoln -

.prefering to simply dismiss him as a racist entirely, even though he accomplished so much. Prince & his bungkissers here would condemn the man based on one quote (or even a number of seemingly related quotes) & completely ignore his legacy.

When he returned to America he renounced his previous teachings saying that he met White Muslims & that the teachings of Elijah Muhammad were flawed in regards to true Islam.

Why do you guys even start race threads? Everytime you do,you're just giving "IrishEcho(aka KellyanneMcClure)" yet another opportunity to post his racist,inflammatory nonsense.He/she has an agenda.

Please,no more threads like these!

WHITE PEOPLE DONT LIKE WHEN BROTHER VOICES HIS OPINION

MilesIsAlive said:

For real though, you see all this heat up on this thread?

DrNappyKitchens said:

O-tay, then.

Before anyone attacks me for making light of the language of impoverished, Depression-Era black children, he has Buckwheat in his profile picture.

This is what we talk about on a Prince website.
What about the music baby???
Why is racism an issue here???

Please. There was racial shit long before TRC existed. Anybody who says it's because of that album is using it as an excuse. Plain and simple.

Wolf said:

Bingo--but Im glad he made TRC so I can see how some Prince fans really think about csertain issues..Paisley Park my ass. They came out, came out, wherever they were so to speak

rdhull said:

The individuals here decide the course of threads yeah, Prince just offers up some general impetus...

bullshit.

people are talking about this stuff more than ever these days because prince is talking about it himself.

plain and simple

surly it would take an unversed
e-revolutionary to comapre Malcolm X and Abe Lincoln
it is the lesser known of both in which people
ignore
this site is highly insensitive because the moderators do nothing
those that do nothing
contribute to the problem
and I dont care if you pillage black wombs
cause you can get a mullato dick in your mouth
for all I care
irish echo you aint shit yo daddy aint shit yo momma aint shit yo seeds aint shit and I will slap you so hard yo kids
will end up physically challenged
u sound like a nigga that thank he a cracka
u phony and u dont event believe in half the bullshit U write
u can never compare a man that allowed slavery to a man that never supported a system of slavery
bitch
u have no sense of history and dont have a clue of cultural context in regards to the 60's
boy so one little line from a song by a reborn African American muscian gets U white pussies (or niggas that thank the crackas, bitches who got a degree in Negrology aka im getting fucked, or married to an African American-who second hand speak) all bent out of shape
u white pussies wanna stop the world
suck a sterotypical black big dick

XxAxX said:

If you never saw any of this racial crap in Prince.org before TRC you hid your head in the sand, and now look for a scapegoat on vinyl. The proponents of racial bait have been doing their thing on the org LONG before that. And if you think it just started last Fall with the album's release youre in deep denial. Keep pointing to that scapegoat on vinyl!

Wolf said:

okay. i could be wrong. i'll check myself on that

NatTurner said:

If it bothers you so much then leave already.

It's people like you that keep this racism shit going. I'm actually glad you posted the above, it just shows how much of an asshole you really are. An uneducated asshole.
[This message was edited Mon Jul 22 10:32:25 PDT 2002 by AnitaThrill]

AnitaThrill said:

Why do you choose to criticise Nat Turner above any of the "Monkeys in Africa throwing spears" comments of Irish Echo etc?