Wow, Nat. Don't let him anger you that much!

rio said:

Have you ever asked that simple question? No.

And by the way, it's far too general a question to ask, is is most of the nonsense coming out of your head. Equal on what basis? I'm more intelligent than a lot of black people. There are a lot of black people more intelligent than I am. Do I have a bigger willie than some black men? Darn right. Do some black men have a bigger willie than me? Sure. Although, I'm only assuming that, because it's not in my interest to investigate.

However, to answer the question you were probably trying to formulate, I will say, yeah, no one race should be held in higher esteem than any other. Have I made myself clear enough for you?

But when we get down to individuals, that's an entirely different story...

rdhull said:

Do you have tickets to see the Stones? This is after all, a forum for discussion about musicians other than Prince, which this thread has managed to avoid entirely.

IrishEcho said:

i have asked you this question more than once..see the 'ona goes retail' thread for one example...

just the same..you answered it exactly as i expected...thanks...

IrishEcho said:

Yes, Rio has.

Why does EVERY race thread have to boil down to an Irish Echo issue?

Moonbeam said:

becos he has to either start them or make himself extremely visible on all of them, perhaps?

Oh please!!! This site is not insensitive to anyone!!!

rio said:

You're right. He does make it an issue EVERY time. I'm not going to try to sort through the vast number of contradictory statements he has made and I'm sure he would rather have it that way anyway. What is the point of being controversial simply to be controversial?

IrishEcho said:

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IrishEcho said:

Man shut up...this harkens back to the days when you wrote how the civil rights movement would not have happend if it wasnt for the kindness of white people to ALLOW that to happen..you are ignorant no matter how well you write...heres more proof why below...

IrishEchoe:

WTF are you tlaking about? For most of his life Malcomlm hated white people? Do you know what the teacher told him at 8 years old when he announced his want of being a fireman when he grew up? Do you know what certain people did to his home and his father...do you know after several trials and tribulations, and awakenings he had a different mindset? Do not compare Lincoln to Malcolm on their prejudices since they came from VERY different causes...this is what I mean about your propganada bullshit you spread...you are fucking twisted ..I hope your backwards ass never procreates.[/quote]



More proof of your ignorance...nobody went whole hog into believing whatever Prince said in Avalanche..dont use Prince as a springboard or crutch for your prejudiced feelings etc...if people decided that they were going to now think of Lincoln as a racist, it wasnt all of a because Prince suddenly wrote a song about it--they probably already had reasons or had researched information on their own and came up with thioer own conclusions...and you are a joke because you are doing exactly what you decry Prince for doing in Avalanche...hypocrite. You can shut up now with your rhetoric.
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divo02 said:

No the comparison is not valid.




THANK YOU! Now try telling this to Irish Echoe and his ignorant self.
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WHITE PEOPLE DONT LIKE WHEN BROTHER VOICES HIS OPINION

rdhull said:

More proof of your ignorance...nobody went whole hog into believing whatever Prince said in Avalanche..dont use Prince as a springboard or crutch for your prejudiced feelings etc...if people decided that they were going to now think of Lincoln as a racist, it wasnt all of a because Prince suddenly wrote a song about it--they probably already had reasons or had researched information on their own and came up with thioer own conclusions...and you are a joke because you are doing exactly what you decry Prince for doing in Avalanche...hypocrite. You can shut up now with your rhetoric.
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Yes and Malcolm's mother was the product of "interracial" rape which stared back at him in mirror everyday through his green eyes and red hair.

A man of this background cannot be compared in any way to a reluctant racist President being forced into the glory via mainstream propagandist textbooks.

I HATE WHITE PEOPLE!!!.Oh yeah I forgot to mention that I'm White!!!.Stick that up your candy asses

This is what we talk about on a Prince website.
What about the music baby???
Why is racism an issue here???

purple2 said:

Because "racism" is an "issue" in the world..And If u listen to Prince's music, he often talks about racism...Prince.org may be located in cyberspace, but it's users are in the "world"...

I have a question

Why can a non white person stand in public and make a racial comment about a white person and nothing be done, but when the white person says something about another race it becomes such a big problem ( and I am not saying it is not a problem).

Example: Mike Tyson stood in front of national TV and make recial comments and not one thing was said about it. What if that had been a white boxer doing the talking. You would have had every minority leader in the country saying that fight should be stopped and that hey should never be allowed to box and so on and so on. I think the finger can be pointed both ways.

Simple solution: Shut the FUCK UP and stop seeing in Black and White.

Note this quote from white-boy Ben regarding the prince.org "shop" - "Oh, and most def, BIG UPS to the models for making everything look so damn good!"

Amazing!

This shit is insane. I am so tired of a select few on here screaming racism when they themselves are the ones spewing the racial comments out so freely. Everyone wants to point to Irishecho's old sig as bieng racist but the problem I see is everyone is judging Lincoln's racial view points by todays standards. Yes if Lincoln was alive today speaking the same words he did over 200yrs. ago I would be the first to say he is a racist son of a bitch. But the simple fact is he wanted the slaves to be free and he nor anyone else knew how to accomplish it. Bottom line is though that it is because of him and other whites that the slaves where freed. He was then killed because he set the slaves free. It seems that all you have to do today top be concidered racist to alot of people is to be born white, and God forbid you are a southern on top of that. Some of you guys need to get the hell over yourselves and look at the hatred you yourselves are spewing forth. It's time to move on and learn from the past. Stop using the crimes of the past as a crutch and instead use it as a ladder. Grow and realize that the blame you put on one race is teaching hate to your children. By saying the white man did this or the white man did that you are doing exactly that. Teach the kids the past but do it as a means to show them how things should never be again and why love for each other is important.

Lots of love to you all.

Nobody said all of that. And if anybody really thinks Lincoln freed the slaves because he thought they were equal to every other race, and because he was some sort of saint they are seriously in need of education. There is a huge wake up call for those who only know that he freed the slaves without knowing what was behind it.

Aside from all of that I would like to know how Prince.org is insensitive to African Americans. It's not how the site is run that is insensitive to African Americans, it's some of the people who post here.

Wolf said:

And nobody said all that. I never said he freed the slaves because he felt they where equal because he didn't feel that way. But the fact is 200 yrs. ago things where different than they are now. Knowledge of other cultures was almost zero. We had not traveled and veiwed other people in the detail as we have since. And many believed their veiws where supported by the bible. But the end result was the same, the slaves were freed. No matter why or how it happened it happened and that needs to be aknowledge too.

Lots of love to you all.

Wolf said:

"Only a product of their time" can be applied to any tyrant throughout history. When does self-accountability come into the equation?

Wolf: I think the issue is more what propaganda is allowed to pass here compared to other threads which get locked or deleted.

If you want a Prince fan site that caters to black fans to the point of arranging for each black visitor to wake up every morning with a mint on their pillow, go create one. Not everyone who visits here has to agree that slave reparations are a good idea as a prerequisite to posting here just to make people like you feel better. Not everyone who posts here has to be in favor of abortion, embrace & use Princespeak, or own & adore Prince music in every conceivable format to have an opinion & the right to express it. While on one end you shout & preach about the need of equality for all, on the other side, you're arguing against the right of other people to express their opinions if they are not in line with yours. That's hypocrisy any way you look at it. And you're not in the place to accuse anyone.

Ben, Matt, Kevin, etc. have done a very good job with this site which they have fashioned with their own time, money & energy, & to claim that some of the more "questionable" things that I or others may have written have not been edited by them is just plain wrong. They are fair judges (not to mention the only judges) of what appears on this site & perhaps it's your opinions & not what you perceive as their "insensitivity" that need an overhaul.
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Essence said:Perhaps you (& Prince) need to be reminded that whatever Lincoln's personal character flaws may have been, he was a product of his time. He was a politician. And he was human. You forget that without him, regardless of his personal beliefs, he still produced the Emancipation Proclamation. He still commanded the armies that fought for the freedom of blacks in the Civil War. And he still died because of what he accomplished for your people.

Man shut up...this harkens back to the days when you wrote how the civil rights movement would not have happend if it wasnt for the kindness of white people to ALLOW that to happen..you are ignorant no matter how well you write...heres more proof why below...

Incidentally, it is very improper to claim that I've ever written such things, just to suit whatever little pitiful vendetta you may have against me, "Man." Even if I had written something like that, it can hardly be compared to the simple facts expressed in the above post. Yet you, like so many other black people, seem to want a scapegoat other than yourselves for all of your problems past, present & future. Perhaps that is the legacy of Malcolm X.

IrishEchoe:

WTF are you tlaking about? For most of his life Malcomlm hated white people? Do you know what the teacher told him at 8 years old when he announced his want of being a fireman when he grew up? Do you know what certain people did to his home and his father...do you know after several trials and tribulations, and awakenings he had a different mindset? Do not compare Lincoln to Malcolm on their prejudices since they came from VERY different causes...this is what I mean about your propganada bullshit you spread...you are fucking twisted ..I hope your backwards ass never procreates.[/quote]

Oh, you poor dear pathetic imbecile. Whatever the root cause, the end result was still hatred. And what came of his hatred? An association with the same people who would eventually have him killed. What came of Lincoln's work? The eventual freeing of the slaves, the Civil War. The precedent in this country for the continued improvement of the lives of black Americans. Comparing the two, you're right. There is no comparison. Lincoln was the far better man. It'd be a bit difficult for my posterior to procreate, at any rate, so your wish on that is granted.

So many of you are so eager to swallow anything that Prince spews as if it were gospel, ignoring facts in favor of supporting your "hero." If you can't handle something as simple as a picture on a web page, I suggest you take the cork out of your collective posterior & loosen up.[/quote]

More proof of your ignorance...nobody went whole hog into believing whatever Prince said in Avalanche..dont use Prince as a springboard or crutch for your prejudiced feelings etc...if people decided that they were going to now think of Lincoln as a racist, it wasnt all of a because Prince suddenly wrote a song about it--they probably already had reasons or had researched information on their own and came up with thioer own conclusions...and you are a joke because you are doing exactly what you decry Prince for doing in Avalanche...hypocrite. You can shut up now with your rhetoric.

Nobody, huh? Been to one of the ONA shows yet? You cannot imagine the reaction from black audience members I witnessed whenever that quote flashed onscreen. It was an embarassment to any idea of unity in this country. True, people have long known that Lincoln was no saint, yet they embraced this because their hero put it to song, ignoring the questionable character of many of his race's own heroes. If you cannot handle truths like that, yours is not an opinion even worth my time. Good day. You too can shut up with your whiney rhetoric.

Yes and Malcolm's mother was the product of "interracial" rape which stared back at him in mirror everyday through his green eyes and red hair.

That's life. Get over it & get one of your own. If that got in the way of his love for her or her love for him, that's really their own baggage.

A man of this background cannot be compared in any way to a reluctant racist President being forced into the glory via mainstream propagandist textbooks.

So it's only propaganda when it doesn't fit your line of thinking? That's so rational of you. Fact remains, the results of Lincoln's time as President did far more to spur the cause of black Americans than the likes of an angry, embittered radical such as Malcolm X ever could, spiritual rebirth Malcolm or not.

ECHO why do you only refer to the pre-mecca Malcolm X instead of El Hajj Malik El Shabazz.
Malcolm was racist previous to going on his Hajj.
When he returned to America he renounced his previous teachings saying that he met White Muslims & that the teachings of Elijah Muhammad were flawed in regards to true Islam.

Malcolm & Lincoln are both victims of history because they were not allowed to live out their lives.

By the way, the gunmen who killed Malcolm were Black, but Malcolm was a victim of COINTELPRO.He was poisoned in Egypt & was denied access to France because they feared he would be assassinated in France by CIA.

STARFISHNCOFFEE said:

That needs to be acknowledged? That's the point, that's ALL that's acknowledged about it. Now that there is a bigger picture being pointed out with Lincoln by pop star that doesn't have as big an audience as he used to, NOW Lincoln freeing the slaves needs to be acknowledged. If Lincoln freeing the slaves was never acknowledged George Washington being the first American president was never acknowledged. Now that a more well rounded story is being told people want to fixate on the fact that he freed the slaves. Great.

Essence said:

You are completely on the money!

IrishEcho said:

Oh, you poor dear pathetic imbecile. Whatever the root cause, the end result was still hatred. And what came of his hatred? An association with the same people who would eventually have him killed. What came of Lincoln's work? The eventual freeing of the slaves, the Civil War. The precedent in this country for the continued improvement of the lives of black Americans. Comparing the two, you're right. There is no comparison. Lincoln was the far better man. It'd be a bit difficult for my posterior to procreate, at any rate, so your wish on that is granted.

The better man? Who cares..who is calling Malcolm X a patron saint? Maybe some others are but thats their gig ...it isnt about that as I have said..no its not a vendetta about you..its about you and your dangerous propoganda...you cant do it over there so in your perverse mind you brang it over here...and for someone who doesnt agree with the current rhetoric of Prince as of late why do you go to the shows?..why do you collect the bootlegs of the current shows? Uh huh, thats what I thought.



More proof of your ignorance...nobody went whole hog into believing whatever Prince said in Avalanche..dont use Prince as a springboard or crutch for your prejudiced feelings etc...if people decided that they were going to now think of Lincoln as a racist, it wasnt all of a because Prince suddenly wrote a song about it--they probably already had reasons or had researched information on their own and came up with thioer own conclusions...and you are a joke because you are doing exactly what you decry Prince for doing in Avalanche...hypocrite. You can shut up now with your rhetoric.

Nobody, huh? Been to one of the ONA shows yet? You cannot imagine the reaction from black audience members I witnessed whenever that quote flashed onscreen. It was an embarassment to any idea of unity in this country. True, people have long known that Lincoln was no saint, yet they embraced this because their hero put it to song, ignoring the questionable character of many of his race's own heroes. If you cannot handle truths like that, yours is not an opinion even worth my time. Good day. You too can shut up with your whiney rhetoric.

Oh Andy...evidently my opinion IS worthy of your time because you just wrote the soliloquy of an idiot. And lets not get into questionable character since you are a known failed thief. Hypocrite. And dont bring up embarassment of unity crap because you have no unity with certain factions of this country...bringing your skewed views from abroad. "An embarassment to the unity fo th e country"--LOL youre a trip. Trying to come off as patriotic and wanting everyone to come together after what youve said adn done in the past...keep up the propoganda...hush twistd one.

And for the record I dont think this site is insensitive to anyone in particular--my spiel has not been about that. BTW I think the site is W.C. Fields..offensive to everybody equally