I dont get why a lot of Prince fans hate MJ and discredit his talent...it's just plain old stupid...he is exceptionally talented like Prince, but in a different way. I'm gettin soo sick of Prince fans hatin on Mike...it needs to stop. To me, Prince fans, Michael Jackson fans and Madonna fans are basically the same and should form somewhat of a camaraderie amongst one another...and be cool with each other; and not always compare one another and say which one is better...i can mention a positive quality for each artist that succeeds the others...

yeah i know in the 80s it was almost sin to like Prince and MJ at the same time...it was more like u had to choose one or the other...but gimme a break...we are livin' in the 00's now...

I agree with you. I am a fan of all 3. They are all very talented performers. But Prince is my favorite.

he's a joke 2 me now.but in his day he was the man.
his mind is so far removed from any normal person
that u can't take him seriously.he's like a cartoon ;D

Here is a talented perfomer who has spent the past few years trying to erase his blackness yet now is trying to hold on to it claiming racism. I have a lot of respect for MJ the artist, not the child molestin-freak that he is now. Sony didn't promote the album beacuse it sucked, how is that there fault. And who told MJ to pay Brando a million bucks to be in his stupid video.

Funny how when Prince wrote slave on his face, nobody took noticed or thought he was crazy, yet all these artist are finally realizing that they've been getting screwed.

Peace.

MJ created a lot of this backlash himself by acting ridiculously over the years and especially these last few weeks. Even Sharpton felt compelled to slap his wrist, and the reverend generally does not bite celebrities that associate with his causes.

It's interesting that Prince (6/7), Madonna (8/16) and MJ (8/29) were all born in 1958.

Why? because he is a child molestor. Are you a fan of O.J as well? He is making a fool of himself with this latest crap. Since when has he cared how black artists are treated? Since his album tanked. And he's blaming it on that. And he isn't even black anymore.

I like to kid MJ, but he really is the bomb on record. I cant stand to look at him anymore unfortunately. He's just destroyed his face sooo much.
I also don't think he can taken very seriously with his fight against Sony because they've gone out of there way for him time and time again over the years.
Now his record sales are down and they're the devil??

I personally dont believe he molested any kids--and it was NEVER proven in any court...although he did settle and he shouldnt have.

Other than that i like to give he and his fans shit now and then. No big deal. People may have opinions about him, just dig him like you do and ignore the 'hatin'.

Other than being born in 1958, these three artists have precious little in common.

Apart from MJ's frightful mutations over the past 20 years - I think of it as self-mutilation - his contrived music lacks artistic merit. I try to imagine him onstage with Prince and The NPG during the ONA Tour - MJ would have been completely lost, unable to contribute musically. Does he even play an instrument?

No wait, perhaps he could have provided comic relief with his moonwalk! In reality, I fear he would have frightened half the crowd away with his disfigured visage.

Yes, I liked him once upon a time. I think it was between 1974 and 1980, before he completely lost his mind, and before his charm as a child prodigee was wearin' thin. If for some reason you still like MJ after 20 years of progressive decline, I'd advise you to keep that embarrassing truth to yourself! Or better yet, take it to his fan website (truly hard for me to believe there actually is such a site!).

And Madonna, well she's probably the most well-adjusted of the 3 of them. But that does not mean that her talents for defining new styles and hiring gifted songwriters bear any comparison to Prince's abilities as a musician. During ONA, she could have danced around, flashing the audience, but beyond that, it's hard to imagine her musical contribution.

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Spats said:

why do u think he is a child moslestor?
the kid refused to testify and the father had issues of his own. nothing was found.
if u saw the interview with a woman named diane sawyer, he said he wanted to fight on but his legal expertise adviced him to make a pay off since the case could go on for 7years and so forth.
also, no other kid reported him to molest them.

what i don't understand is why ppl. aren't jumping down woody allen's throat who actually admitted to be having an affair to a KID who was his step-DAUGHTER! he is still respected,etc. while mj who has just been accused is supposedly the monster.


he isn't black colored but his culture and soul and family are. i don't have any family members in usa except my parents but i know my culture and what is expected of me.

ppl. like little richard,etc. have thanked mj for helping them with their financial situations. since he owns his and others' music, he pays the artist half and keeps the half himself. what other business-man would do a thing like that? also, mj talked about black artists not getting any recognition. read his interviews from the 1970s and also the whole self-promation:KOP should explain it. mj also provided funeral services to black artists who died penniless.

yeah he is like a cartoon...but still...

and MJ hasn't been erasing his blackness...ever heard of vitilligo? MJ has a skin disease...

and honestly...fuck all those who say MJ never supported the black community until now...just take a look at all the black charities and funds he’s contributed to:

AIDS Project L.A.
Big Brothers of Greater Los Angeles
Brotherhood Crusade
Cities and Schools Scholarship Fund
Congressional Black Caucus (CBC)
Minority Aids Project
Motown Museum
NAACP
National Rainbow Coalition
The Sickle Cell Research Foundation
Transafrica
United Negro College Fund (UNCF)
United Negro College Fund Ladder's of Hope
Watts Summer Festival
YMCA - 28th Street/Crenshaw

In addition to these charities, in 1986 Michael also set up the "Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund". This $1.5 million fund is aimed towards students majoring in performance art and communications, with money given each year to students attending a UNCF member college or university.
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From www.mjfanclub.net

Heal L.A. was launched at Super Bowl XXVII with the collaboration of Heal the World, The National Football league, Frito Lay, The International Youth Foundation, and Hilton Foundation/BEST Foundation.

Heal L.A., a collaborative children's initiative produced 3,000 mentoring relationships, immunizations for 7,000 children and drug prevention education for more than 72,000 youth.

Heal the World along with Former President Jimmy Carter, Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. , Ronald McDonald Children's Charities, Gladys Knight and TLC joined together to help The Atlanta Project increase the local immunization rate in a single week from the expected 6,000 to more than 17,000 and to establish a follow-up tracking system for family health care.

Heal L.A. in partnership with the Los Angeles Unified School district, California State University, Independent Colleges of Southern California, Learnstar and other local non-profit organizations created the Community School/safe Haven Initiative to provide after-school educational opportunities at two pilot sites where over 300 students per day could have computer instruction, tutoring, homework assistance, math lab, English as a second language and performing arts.

January 2000-- The United Negro College Fund's "Evening Of Stars" January 15th telethon fundraiser raised $13.5 million in cash and pledges. Michael Jackson, Lauryn Hill, Whitney Houston, and Barry White were among the performers.

June 1999-- Michael Jackson and Friends concerts in Korea and Germany raise $3.3 million dollars for the humanitarian agencies UNESCO, Nelson Mandela's Children's Fund and the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.

February 1995-- Heal L.A. expanded curriculum offerings and program hours of the Community School/Safe Havens Initiative to include over 1200 families.

January 1994-- Heal the World in conjunction with Unihealth and the Los Angeles Immunization Coalition provided vaccines to children made homeless by the Los Angeles earthquake. Heal the World with Discovery Toys also donated hundreds of toys to the children participating in the immunization drive.

January 1994-- Over $85,000 from Heal L.A. is distributed toward earthquake relief efforts through grants to non-profit organizations dedicated to aiding families with long-term recovery in the Los Angeles and San Fernando Valley areas including the Al Wooten Jr. Heritage Center, Casa Rutilio Grande, Clinica Para Las Americas, Families in New Directions, Meeting Each Need With Dignity, Proyecto Esperanza, Pueblo Nuevo, and the Vaughn Street Family Center.

Summer 1994-- HTW in conjunction with the Los Angeles Unified School District, Youth Services, the I Have A Dream Foundation, Best Buddies, Overcoming Obstacles, and California One to One, provides 2000 children with tickets to see Janet Jackson in concert, the " L.A. Laker Jam", and The Beach Boys in concert.

Fall 1994-- Heal LA funds implementation of the Los Angeles Team Mentoring Program in six Los Angeles Unified School District Middle Schools in the South Central Los Angeles and the Pico Union Districts, reaching over 1,000 young people and utilizing 300 volunteer mentors.

October 1994 -- HTW launched the Community School/Safe Havens Initiative designed to provide Los Angeles communities with a safe environment in which students, families, and residents can pursue after-school academic and recreational activities such as free instruction in computers, language and math skills, tutoring and sports.

1993- A new U.S. Children's Relief Initiative announced in Los Angeles: "Heal LA", in collaboration with Cities In Schools, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, the BEST Foundation, Watts Health Foundation, and the Partnership for a Drug Free America, will help solve the problems facing inner-city youth by providing drug-abuse and AIDS prevention education, mentoring, and immunization campaigns.

1993- HTW Donated $1.25 million plus proceeds from Michael Jackson's half-time performance at Super Bowl XXVII to Heal LA

March 1993 -- Immunization/Children's Health Initiative announced by HTW foundation and Former President Jimmy Carter and The Atlanta Project.

March 1993-- Urban anti-drug media campaign launched by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America, the Partnership for a Drug-free California and The BEST Foundation in Los Angeles with support from HTW Foundation and Heal L.A.

May 1993-- Michael Jackson visits Atlanta. Heal the World, Former President Jimmy Carter's Atlanta Project Immunization/Children's Health Initiative, the Turner Broadcasting System, Inc., Ronald McDonald Children's Charities, Gladys Knight, and TLC provide for the immunization of 17,000 children in 5 days in Atlanta, Georgia.

February 1992 -- Michael Jackson goes on a two-week visit to Africa where he visits schools, churches and institutions for mentally retarded children.

May 1992-- Michael Jackson pays for a young boy's funeral who had been killed by a stray bullet during the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, California.

June 1992-- Operation One to One honors Michael Jackson in recognition of his efforts in support of economically disadvantaged youth.

February 1990-- Michael Jackson performs at a musical variety special to honor Sammy Davis, Jr. and proceeds from the special, $250,000, are donated to the United Negro College Fund.

Mid 1989 -- Michael Jackson is presented with the Black Radio Exclusive Humanitarian Award at the Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California for his charitable and humanitarian work. He also receives the National Urban Coalition Artist/Humanitarian Award in appreciation for his participation in their "Say Yes to a Youngster" program which encourages kids to study math and science.

March 1988-- Second stop of the first US leg of the Bad Tour, New York -- Michael Jackson performs at the Madison Square Garden, the first of three concerts is a benefit for the United Negro College Fund. He presents a check for $600,000 to Christopher Edley, UNCF President, making him one of the UNCF's largest contributors. The reviews in New York read, "Michael's act has already gone well beyond a pop music concert. By this time, 97 young people had benefited from Michael Jackson's generosity to the United Negro College Fund.

October 1988 -- Michael Jackson presents a check in the amount of $125,000 to Esther Edwards and Berry Gordy for the maintenance and upkeep of Hittsville, USA, Motown's Museum in Detroit, Michigan. He also contributed a black fedora, a white beaded glove and costume from the Motown Era for display.

January 1985-- Michael Jackson is one of the first artists to arrive at A&M Lion Share Studios for the historic recording which brought dozens of nationally acclaimed artists together in the hope of alleviating famine in Africa. In an all night session, the largest-grossing single in the history of the recording arts, We Are The World, is recorded, spawning a videocassette and a book, all the proceeds of which would be funneled directly through to famine relief efforts. The famine relief efforts of this recording resulted in over $60 million dollars being channeled directly into the countries most affected. Michael Jackson contributed to the effort not only as featured artist, but co-wrote the song with Lionel Ritchie and recorded the demo tracks distributed to the participating artists.

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Spats said:

why do u think he is a child moslestor?
the kid refused to testify and the father had issues of his own. nothing was found.
if u saw the interview with a woman named diane sawyer, he said he wanted to fight on but his legal expertise adviced him to make a pay off since the case could go on for 7years and so forth.
also, no other kid reported him to molest them.

what i don't understand is why ppl. aren't jumping down woody allen's throat who actually admitted to be having an affair to a KID who was his step-DAUGHTER! he is still respected,etc. while mj who has just been accused is supposedly the monster. (...)
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You know shit about Woody Allen, so shut up!Moreover mj fans know shit about nothin in general, except for madonna and mariah carey, you never mention musicians like me'shell.
You said somewhere that you don't care if R-Kelly is a pedophile as long you love his song don't talk
about what is good or bad moron (sorry scotty!)
Strangely I don't see any Sting, Madonna or Bruce fans constantly grizzling here so go & sick mj's dick elsewhere please.

Metalbabe699 said:[quote]yeah he is like a cartoon...but still...

and MJ hasn't been erasing his blackness...ever heard of vitilligo? MJ has a skin disease...

and honestly...fuck all those who say MJ never supported the black community until now...just take a look at all the black charities and funds he’s contributed to:

AIDS Project L.A.
Big Brothers of Greater Los Angeles
Brotherhood Crusade
Cities and Schools Scholarship Fund
Congressional Black Caucus (CBC)
Minority Aids Project
Motown Museum
NAACP
National Rainbow Coalition
The Sickle Cell Research Foundation
Transafrica
United Negro College Fund (UNCF)
United Negro College Fund Ladder's of Hope
Watts Summer Festival
YMCA - 28th Street/Crenshaw

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theC
if u want 2 really do something 4 charity.DO IT ANONYMOUS.
those r more than likely public relations moves and tax write offs.if he has a skin disorder...isn't it easier 2 cover the light spots with dark makeup instead of the other way around???

btw, we all know mj never said anything bad of anybody before. surely something must have happened that just blew mj up badly. he never talks about his skin color, or his plastic surgeries. he always talks about his father,or some injustice being done in the world w/o naming ppl. something big must have happened for mj to go nuts.

theC said:
if u want 2 really do something 4 charity.DO IT ANONYMOUS
those r more than likely public relations moves and tax write offs.if he has a skin disorder...isn't it easier 2 cover the light spots with dark makeup instead of the other way around???[/quote]

As a matter of fact…all the charities I mentioned weren’t even publicized…it wasn’t on the news…nothing…it was just researched and listed by some current MJ fan clubs…90% of the chairities MJ contributes to and donates money to are unknown…people just knows that he does it and helps out…but never specifically. MJ does these things from the bottom of this heart. I swear, some of you try so hard to put MJ down…it’s just gettin ridiculous…

and about the make up comment...80% of MJ's skin has been affected and is white...only some black blotches remain..does it make sense to wear black make up when 80% of ur god damn skin is white?? i dont think so!

why torture those of us who dislike him?

Here is my 2 cents!


Whatever move MJ made or route he took in taking on Sony Music, and in particular Tommy Mottola, the media will and would have slammed him. The reason is simply because the just do not like him. The reason behind that is that he does not play their game or allow them to dictate to him the rules and thus how he should act as a man, particularly an Afro-American man.

This was beautifully articulated by Muhammad Ali in the sixties, when he uttered “I ain’t gonna’ be what you want me to be, I’m gonna’ be what I wanna’ be.” He affirmed his right to be an individual and not have to conform to the stereotype, of the time, of a black boxer, of either being a Jim Crow or mean bad ghetto dude. Ali refused to play the game and become either of these clichés and the press buried him for it. They scoffed when he proclaimed himself ‘The Greatest’ and ‘beautiful’, they slammed him as a white hater for becoming a Muslim, when joining the Nation of Islam, and changing his slave name from Classius Clay to that of Muhammad Ali, and they labelled him unpatriotic, a traitor and a coward when Ali refused the draft, on conciseness and religious grounds, to fight in the Vietnam war. Of course the irony, today, is that Ali is embraced and regarded as an American hero but at the time when he made tough unpopular decisions, which he felt were right, he was savagely attacked from all quarters of the non-black press; all for quite simply refusing to conform to what THEY believed he should do and say. He set a dangerous precedent of giving an oppressed minority a figurehead that they could look up to and feel proud of; in turn feeling their self beauty and pride. I, for one, do not believe the white establishment would, in the last ten years, have so readily embraced Ali if it were not for his debilitating illness. For now the multi-nationals, who once ran a mile, can cynically portray him as an inspiration to all of the human spirit content in the knowledge that he is no longer the great vocal threat he once was. Fcuking parasites. Ali was not their hero to claim, because they never fought his corner when it damn well counted.

What makes is particularly hard with Michael Jackson is we all remember the time when he was embraced and, apparently, loved by all. We remember when he was quite literately on top of the world and seeming nothing could change that. Then the events of 1993 occurred. The media went after him with a vengeance. Yet, when Roman Polanski admitted to having sexual relations, in the US, with his 13 year old cousin, when Charlie Chaplin also confessed to have sex with a minor, ditto Jerry Lee Lewis not to mention Woody Allen admitting to having a relationship with his adopted daughter the fall-out was much less. Do you ever see these allegations repeated at the end of a story on these artists as with Michael Jackson? Quite simply, as Ali before him, MJ does not play the media game, and they are determined to make him pay. He lives on a ranch with a zoo rather than inhabit a Bel Air mansion, he shuns movie premiers and restaurant openings rather than play the game, he crossed musical genres when it is cleary deemed this is only the preserve of white artists, he sings about world harmony and peace which HE is mocked for doing but is perfectly OK for the likes of Bob Dylan and John Lennon to do and worst of all he showed himself to be a truly sharp business man; surely getting above his station in the same way Ali did when a boxing world champion became a figurehead and voice for his people’s oppressions. When MJ bought the ATV/Northern catalogue it was, and incredibly still is, portrayed as stealing the Beatles songs. Yet, they wilfully sold the publishing rights to those songs in order to achieve substantial tax breaks and everyone is more than aware that they wrote their hits. But the countless black artists who have been ripped off after penning hits for the likes of Elvis Presley got neither the money nor the recognition. But still the Beatles songs, and the perceived injustice of them not owning the publishing rights, are much more heavily focused on by much of the press – if that is not clearly racially motivated then I do not know what is.

So when Michael Jackson, perhaps the most kind mannered and least likely person in music to talk ill of a person, comes out and call Tommy Mottola racist the press, and even some posters on this board, go into shock and assert that his comments are totally out of order. Firstly, to be clear, Mottola IS a racist. I know for a fact that the incident that MJ is referring to is true and it is by no means an isolated one. Incredibly some have cited that because Tommy Mottola has several black artists that he can in no way be racist. What an absolute pile of bull @#%$. He has them because he can make money from them – it’s simply good business. That does not mean for one minute that he does not and has not acted in a racist way or indeed even in anyway respects these artists. Of course MJ realises the impact and consequences of his words and he is not the one panicking because he knows he can back them up.

Now, the media has also counted that MJ is opportunistic claiming that he has suddenly discovered black issues due to what they deem the disappointing sales of Invincible. It is a common tactic for the press to always question what artists from minority backgrounds have done for ‘their people’ as if they are under a moral obligation to do so, whereas American whites are not subject to the same questions. This is again the press telling, in this case, a black person how they should act and behave. The press constantly claim MJ is ashamed to be black due to his skin turning white. This IS a blatant and constant form of racism because they know full well he has vitilligo. This constant accusation that MJ does not want to be black is directed at the black and all other minority communities; its message is that MJ is ashamed to be black so ditch him – the method of conquer and divide. It is racist because its purpose is to play on the physcy of minority people, especially black, by trying to reinforce in their head, using an age old tactic, that being black is not beautiful – see here even the most successful black man wants to be white. What they fail to realise is being Black, Latino, Asian is not to with the colour of the skin but with the soul, beliefs and culture – this comes from within and can never be taken away. But of course they do know this because when a white person chooses to burn their skin in the Sun, risking skin cancer, the same people do not claim that those people are ashamed to be white.

However, for the record, Michael has always given generously to black charities and causes including many millions to the United Negro College fund and the NAACP. He has also covered the funeral expenses of several black artists who have died penniless. The fact is that he does not do this to gain favourable publicity for this because he does this because he believes in doing it; he has no interest in the good press it could generate. As for bringing the Sony issue and the racism is the music biz all out in the open now; it is simply because he can. Before he was under contract and if he had gone after Sony they would have simply made sure that he did not record another album ever again. Had Invincible been successful I know he would have still come out against Sony, because many of the issues he has with them have a long history, but due to their dirty tactics perhaps the level of intensity IS greater than it would have otherwise been.

The bottom line is this is happening and it is do to do with race; from the record companies taking advantage of minority artists, Mottola’s being a racist and the way the press chose to report on stories which centre on racial issues.

Standing up for the tough issues is never going to be easy and perhaps not popular. The press will continue to slam this but so fcuking what? This is all about sticking by your convictions and standing up when it counts and I know where I stand – firmly and squarely behind Michael Jackson. If this train is moving to fast for you, and you do not have the stomach for what is going on, then simply step off. But as was the case when Ali lit the Olympic touch at Atlanta, when this, in 20 yeas, is talked about as a defining moment in popular culture, and perhaps Michael Jackson is once again embraced, be sure it is your victory and your moment to celebrate.

Michael is a good entertainer, but he is NOT a musician and his talents are no where near those of Prince. Also, Michael is just too weird and does things that I can never understand. This whole thing he's got going with Sony is sickening. Not to say that I am backing Sony because I am not, but Michael is just a big baby who is disappointed that the new cd didn't have the same impact as Thriller. IMO, Sony is right about why the cd has not done as well as was expected. Some people still put Michael on a pedistal, but he's just a entertainer who no longer appeals to the masses due to all his weirdness. He lip-syncs just about everything and can't play any instruments worth a damn. And he bought his children from Debbie whatever her name is because he wanted to ensure that he didn't have black children. And he's probably queer too (not that there's anything wrong with that), but why not just come out and admit it.

Yeah, i reckon he's gay.
One knows another if you know what i mean (wink,wink.)

But then i think Prince is gay too.

Being gay is fine, but I am opposed to people "buying" their children from a white woman just to be sure that they are not too dark. I do not think that Prince is gay, but if he was, that would be ok with me. I believe that he is in touch with his feminine side, but enjoys sex and imtimacy with women.

kisscamille said:

Obviously i don't know for sure (it's that Jackson thing) but it is possible that they really are Michael's children.
A couple i know (black male/white woman) have totally white children. It's odd but it happens.

think those kids of his were bought? think he actually did the deed, or was she inseminated via other means (turkey baster, etc?) i can just see him scrunching up his face and saying "i'm not goin' in there!"

His face scares me, and his music sounds so fake!
That's it!

ain't nobody hatin on that brotha at all...we're talkin about him cuz he's ketchupheaded as phuc.

twonabomber said:

or he'd be like, "what do i do with it?"

If he isn't a molestor, why did he pay around $40 million to settle the case, I'm sorry but if I was "innocent" I'm sure as hell not going to pay that kind of money!!!

Not to mention this freak has 2 kids now and what's up with calling his son, Prince Michael Jackson. MJ is ojne messed person, and it's so sad because he truly is a talented artist.

jackson has always played the game just to be in the media light and maintain artificialy his popularity, just an example:
Nowhere you will find a picture of Bruce Springsteen with Ronald Reagan and/or Bush sr, when republicans tried to get "born inthe usa" in the mid80s Bruce management told them to fuck off, unlike mj that we've seen many times with these 2 great friends of the african-american people.
+ In 1984, I think, CBS stopped the release of his duet with his brother Jermaine (who was on motown) "tell me I’m not dreaming" , he did nothing againt it ,.didn’t even open his mouth.
Now he wants us to think that he's a rebel, whereas he's never been one.
& He wants us to believe that he’s "normal" & that he loves everyone when obviously he’s a pathetic hypocrite and liar full of psychological problems (look what he’s done to his face).

I think I was misunderstood by my comment about him buying his children. I know they are his biological children, but he made a deal with a white woman to bear his kids and then just go away. He has full custody and I bet the kids seldom if ever see their mother. She was given millions to just walk away.

kisscamille said:

Don't know it theyre his biological children & yes, he bought them to their mother$$$,( do you really believe that he was in love with this woman?) , like he paid for his trial&
I wonder if they will be allow to grow to become "normal" adults