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This Week's AOL Gay Top Ten

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From the NY Daily News:
AOL strikes wrong chord

By Jim Farber

Does music have a sexual orientation?
Apparently America OnLine thinks so.

Call up their massively popular AOLmusic.com site, scroll through their "musical styles" choices, and right below "soundtracks" and just above "classic rock" you'll find a heretofore undiscovered genre known as "gay and lesbian" music.

If nothing else, this begs some intriguing questions about your CD collection:

How, exactly, would a CD become gay?

To this gay man, the absurdity of the question begs the most blinkered suppositions:

Was the CD abused by an LP when it was young?

Did it lack a proper stereo system to guide it while it was growing up?

Or maybe it was the product of some "intelligent design" decision at the manufacturing level - the technological equivalent to the so-called "gay gene."

AOLmusic isn't the only sonically minded company thinking gay these days. Sony/BMG has just proudly trumpeted a new label meant to tout lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered artists called Twist. Its first releases arrive this June.

The label comes complete with a syndicated radio show, which just began spinning "gay music" locally on WPLJ Sundays from 10 p.m. to midnight.

On the surface, this all reads as terribly liberated, as if the conglomerates were saying: "Look how gay-friendly we are! We're promoting you guys to the hilt."

Unfortunately for, say, Twist, most gay musicians would sooner be shoved into the "spoken word" category than be ghettoized by their sexual-object choice. It's not that many don't want to be known for who they are. It's that they make music for the same audience any artist does: as large and lucrative a one as possible.

By labeling their music "gay," it sends the message to straight people that they can't possibly relate to what they're singing about.

Is this something tomorrow's Elton John would want to tell his potential listeners?

In the case of AOLmusic, the "gay and lesbian" music section makes assumptions about taste that necessarily stumble into stereotype. Take a look at what AOL considered "gay music" in its debut week:

A show tune (from "Rent"), a song from a fashion-oriented sexpot (Gwen Stefani) and a dance cut from - guess who? - Madonna.

Why not go all the way and throw in something from Judy Garland?

The only two acts included in the pop top 10 of late that have openly gay members are the one-named singer Antony and the Scissor Sisters, who, at least in England, have enough presumably straight fans to have hit No. 1 on the charts several times.

Of course, AOL didn't become a major corporation by being dumb. Stereotypes have some basis in truth. If you go to a Pet Shop Boys concert in New York, it's a safe bet a hefty percentage of those attending have been to a bar named Splash. And, of course, we've all gone to Broadway musicals and found ourselves wondering, briefly, why the line at the men's room is so much longer than the one at the women's.

But AOL's labeling of music as "gay and lesbian" is hardly the benign equivalent to those like-named sections that appear in travel books, city magazines or Internet guides like Craigslist. Those outlets provide crucial information for LGBT people about health, safety and the most likely place to find sex at 3 o'clock on a Sunday afternoon.

What's irritating about the growing "gay" demarcation for music isn't only that it's nonsensical. It's that it purports to be cutting edge while hinging on something as old as the proverbial hills: targeting a market.

Worse, this particular targeting operates on an antique model. For years, gay media sold itself to the advertising world on the strength of the community's uncommon amount of disposable income, generated by having no kids to support.

But with gay couples currently crowding the nation's fertility clinics and adoption houses, it's no longer a sure thing that they can, at whim, spend $300 on a throw cushion.

If AOL and other media outlets are so eager to codify gay taste, maybe they should go all the way and create their own version of the Kinsey Scale. Brainstormed by the famous sexologist in the '50s, Alfred Kinsey's scale rated people's orientation on a measure of 0 to 6.

"0" was the "most straight," "6" the "most gay," with all kinds of tantalizing gradations in between.

For the musical equivalent of "0" you'd have, say, Buju Banton (the dance hall star whose songs call for gay people to be slaughtered en masse). For "6" you could have something by Morrissey, whose lyrics epitomize that famous "gay sensibility" more bitingly than anyone since Oscar Wilde.

The problem is, Morrissey has never declared his sexual orientation. And what would we do with someone like Rob Halford, singer of the metal band Judas Priest, who has come out but who makes the most conventionally macho music on the planet?

Maybe this "gay music" stuff isn't as easy as it looks.

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This week's 'Gay Music' (according to AOLmusic, that is)

1. "Just Stopping By" (DJ set), Andy Bell
2. "Behind These Hazel Eyes" (live), Kelly Clarkson
3. "Dare," Gorillaz
4. "Black Horse and the Cherry Tree," K.T. Tunstall
5. "I've Got a Life," Eurythmics
6. "Hit Me Baby One More Time," Britney Spears
7. "King of the Mountain," Kate Bush
8. "Just Let Go," Fischerspooner
9. "Beautiful" (live in studio), Christina Aguilera
10. "You're Beautiful" (in studio), James Blunt


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Fourth time's the charm I guess. lol
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a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on
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sextonseven said:

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Fourth time's the charm I guess. lol


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Reply #9 posted 02/16/06 1:09pm

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must be the AOL spys
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Reply #10 posted 02/16/06 1:47pm

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Getting back on topic, I didn't know that Gorillaz song was gay. James Blunt either.
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Not sure if this is on topic, but I noticed it on the wire yesterday:

Willie Nelson chose Valentine's Day to release the gay-themed song "Cowboys are Secretly, Frequently (Fond of Each Other)." The country music icon premiered the track yesterday morning on Howard Stern's Sirius Satellite Radio show as it was being made exclusively available via Apple's iTunes music store, reports Billboard.com.

Nelson recorded the song, written in 1981 by songwriter Ned Sublettecq/jd, last year at his home studio in Perdernales, Texas, around the time he first mentioned it during an appearance on Stern's former FM radio show. The song's release coincides with a time when the idea of gay cowboys is being discussed throughout the media with the success of the Academy Award-nominated film "Brokeback Mountain."

"The song's been in the closet for 20 years," Nelson said in a statement released to the Dallas Morning News. "The timing's right for it to come out. I'm just opening the door."

http://www.newsday.com/en...usic-print
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Reply #12 posted 02/16/06 5:32pm

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Nice to see Kate Bush and teh Eurythmics on a list smile I'm just getting into KT Tunstall.....she's pretty good from what I've heard from her smile why is it labled as "gay" music though confused
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what the fuck is this shit? There's no such thing as "gay music". why do people have to fucking label everything?
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Reply #14 posted 02/16/06 7:14pm

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Anyone got AOL's Bisexual Top 20?
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Anyone got AOL's Bisexual Top 20?

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Reply #16 posted 02/17/06 5:46am

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Gay Top Ten??? smile That's stupid!!! smile
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Reply #17 posted 02/17/06 6:08am

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shrug Seems like a gay list to me. Only thing missing is True by Spandau Ballet.
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sextonseven said:

Getting back on topic, I didn't know that Gorillaz song was gay. James Blunt either.


Howard kept talking about how the song is gay and that the guy wants to do the show. Howard thought he might have another gay slow dance party (he had one, inpired by a scene from "Philladelphia" in the 1990s and the band was the wimpy but not gay Goo Goo Dolls).
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VinnyM27 said:

sextonseven said:

Getting back on topic, I didn't know that Gorillaz song was gay. James Blunt either.


Howard kept talking about how the song is gay and that the guy wants to do the show. Howard thought he might have another gay slow dance party (he had one, inpired by a scene from "Philladelphia" in the 1990s and the band was the wimpy but not gay Goo Goo Dolls).


I heard about that. I guess the song is gay in that straight guys think it's gay because it's so sappy, but does Blunt have a big gay audience?
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VinnyM27 said:

sextonseven said:

Getting back on topic, I didn't know that Gorillaz song was gay. James Blunt either.


Howard kept talking about how the song is gay and that the guy wants to do the show. Howard thought he might have another gay slow dance party (he had one, inpired by a scene from "Philladelphia" in the 1990s and the band was the wimpy but not gay Goo Goo Dolls).


Ah, yes. Howard slow-danced with his "gay boyfriend" Ramon. See, Howard's not gay, but his boyfriend is. biggrin
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What the hell is up with this thread? confuse lol
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RipHer2Shreds said:

shrug Seems like a gay list to me. Only thing missing is True by Spandau Ballet.

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I love that song. biggrin
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What the hell is up with this thread? confuse lol


It's very gay.
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Reply #24 posted 02/17/06 12:50pm

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RipHer2Shreds said:

shrug Seems like a gay list to me. Only thing missing is True by Spandau Ballet.

falloff

I love that song. biggrin

I love it too, but even at 9-years-old when the song came out, I was like, "Are these guys gay?" I don't think they are, but hey...gay em effin' song.
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RipHer2Shreds said:

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I love that song. biggrin

I love it too, but even at 9-years-old when the song came out, I was like, "Are these guys gay?" I don't think they are, but hey...gay em effin' song.

biggrin Every time I hear it, it reminds me of getting my very first pair of pointe shoes. I have this vivid memory of being 9 and being at the ballet shop and getting fitted for pointe shoes with that playing in the background. biggrin

Oh, I had no idea they were gay. lol I probably didn't even know what gay was.
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Reply #26 posted 02/17/06 1:14pm

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RipHer2Shreds said:


I love it too, but even at 9-years-old when the song came out, I was like, "Are these guys gay?" I don't think they are, but hey...gay em effin' song.

biggrin Every time I hear it, it reminds me of getting my very first pair of pointe shoes. I have this vivid memory of being 9 and being at the ballet shop and getting fitted for pointe shoes with that playing in the background. biggrin

Oh, I had no idea they were gay. lol I probably didn't even know what gay was.

I don't think they are.
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Where's Madonna ? smile
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RipHer2Shreds said:

minneapolisgenius said:


biggrin Every time I hear it, it reminds me of getting my very first pair of pointe shoes. I have this vivid memory of being 9 and being at the ballet shop and getting fitted for pointe shoes with that playing in the background. biggrin

Oh, I had no idea they were gay. lol I probably didn't even know what gay was.

I don't think they are.

Well there you go then. That's why I had no idea. razz
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