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Reply #30 posted 07/05/02 7:56pm

subyduby

CinisterCee said:

subyduby said:


another news said he is working with a director to make a film of children who are abused.


Is it with the same director that made R.Kelly's film?



no.
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Reply #31 posted 07/05/02 8:45pm

Supernova

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I don't have time to read all of Locoart's post (he's always got his feathers ruffled about Michael it seems), but uhh, Locoarts, you may not want to make certain specific accusations that are of a serious nature, unless you know those accusations are facts. Know what I mean?

www.salon.com/ent/music/f...dex.html?x



It wasn't an article.. it was a story on

"Good Day Today" & "Extra"

2 national tv entertainment shows..

They BOTH said " MJ wanted his fans to come out in NYC today with signs to protest SONY & SONY Products"

If you have a problem with THEIR Reporting.. email them.


Dude, I wasn't talking about THAT at all, that's tame stuff. It was something else you said in the first post of this thread.
[This message was edited Sat Jul 6 0:40:34 PDT 2002 by Supernova]
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #32 posted 07/05/02 9:15pm

derek

MAN...WHERE'S THE LOVE IN THIS THREAD???

Poor Prince has just toured his ass off trying to spread the love only 2 have his own prince.org BLOW UP!!!

Shouldn't we support MJ's decision to get enough balls to make a stand against the record companies??? We were all anti-record companies when Prince was fighting WB and now MJ starts on Sony...GOOD ON HIM!

All i wanna know is...WHERE IS THE LOVE???

smile
smile
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oralI sincerely want 2 fuck the taste out of your mouth oral
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Reply #33 posted 07/05/02 9:18pm

eos23

locoarts said:

??? wow this guy has lost it!! yet another DUMB NON Music reason to have HIS Name in the Paper

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UMMM, why u screamin'? Micheal is not a man o'war...Trust me when eye say, what Michael Jackson is doing is "bigger" than Sony, bigger than Michael...It's about God's work, and Michael Jackson is doing what God is telling him 2 do. Michael Jackson is a Conscious Celestial Being, He knows "who" he is and "why" is has come 2 earth at this time. ONELOVE
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Reply #34 posted 07/05/02 9:25pm

eos23

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Men in Black II is lame. Not nearly as good as the first one. One more thing MJ has ruined (besides his face).
And Michael Jackson has been a corporate whore for too long to have any credibility as an artist.
Once more he is trying to copy Prince, but no one but MJ's most brain dead fans will fall for his latest cry for attention.


Michael Jackson has the respect and Love of his peers. Legendary artists Love and respect Michael Jackson. And The African American community loves him "unconditonally" so lay off...My brother Michael...Thank U...ONELOVE
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Reply #35 posted 07/05/02 9:29pm

eos23

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locoarts said:

He wants his fans in NYC to go out with signs and say "To Protest Sony & any Sony Product"


OK y'all!
Everybody go out and get yourself a nice SONY product!!

Support SONY!!
FUCK that fucking retarded child molesting 6 feet high stack of smoking dogshit called Michael Jackson... Fucking idiot...

Neversin.


You're a "hardcore" prince fan...and u talk like that??? Where is the LOVE, the only LOVE there is...is the LOVE we make. U don't have to "like" Michael, but u are not in a position to throw stones my friend..."never sin"ONELOVE
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Reply #36 posted 07/05/02 10:27pm

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derek said:

MAN...WHERE'S THE LOVE IN THIS THREAD???
All i wanna know is...WHERE IS THE LOVE???
smile


Donny Hathaway and Roberta Flack asked the same thing.
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #37 posted 07/05/02 11:56pm

jnoel

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no, we are not allowed. we carry too much trouble,and work to wander about ourselves and we do have dignity and respect.
Isupposed that fanatics don't masturbate, now I know
maybe,just maybe, i know ppl. living in palestine.
wtf, does masturbation have to do with anything u pathetic french moron???
It will be good for your mental health, I'm sure that m jackson, like you, never masturbate when he was a teenager, see the result hehe, try now with your moose


as i said u don't know me nor of my activities so don't worry.u don't know of my supporting any organization or anything.
I know that you're a m j asskisser, it's enough
(...)

if u ever went there, it's the poor families u suffer.
poor suffer everywhere moron
see the rich family and the ones in the middle class families. the girls are educated, and fine. it's the poor ppl. that are left out. girls asking for men to be fucked,
maybe R Kelly should spend some times there
kids who don't go to school,
kids spendind too much time on the net babbling nonsense
parents who take kids out of school,whether u are a girl or a boy, it's hard being poor in pakistan. and for those who are not poor and complain about female rights
read Simone de Beauvoir intead of boring us all with Mariah

we have come a long way like any other country in granting females rights
( not in my place or in the States but it's true I can't imagine Ally Mc Beal living in Pakistan

i am going to worry about some religios manics and women's rights in a country i have not fully explored?! why not worry about freeing a place so further attacks won't occur?! and that has nothing to do with being muslim or pakistani.
more nonsense from you agian


Bye my Pakis love redface, I'll be your french teacher on P org!
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Reply #38 posted 07/06/02 12:00am

jnoel

again not agian or asian or ninja
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Reply #39 posted 07/06/02 8:55am

JimmyNothing

When it comes to the whole "Emancipation" from his record label, then yes I would say that MJ is copying Prince. The whole "slave" argument that he used was almost Prince - verbatim.

As for the fans protesting for him, that's a laugh. He's a has-been, but just doesn't realize it yet because everybody treats him like a god. But I do think the public has lost its patience with MJ. Nobody's gonna do anything for him.

It's sad to think that someone sabotaged his own career not by lack of talent, but simply through plastic surgery. MJ must go to bed with an amazing level of guilt and self-hatred.
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Reply #40 posted 07/06/02 8:59am

DavidEye

rdhull said:

DavidEye said:

.He has contacted the Murder Inc. producers to work on new material with him.
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Thats just what he needs...more flavor of the month production. Everyone knows his ass needs to hook back up with Q. Or hell, if he is going to "try' to movie forward in his sound, then why not some production from off center areas etc?


I agree! I was hoping that,after 'Invincible',he would be ready to go in a different,bolder direction.But based on early reports,it looks like it's gonna be business as usual for him.But I DO like the fact that he is cutting his losses and moving on rapidly.It looks like he's gonna record a new CD before he signs a record deal (using the new album as a "bargaining tool" when serious negotiations begin).
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Reply #41 posted 07/06/02 10:04am

Neversin

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rdhull said:

Thats just what he needs...more flavor of the month production. Everyone knows his ass needs to hook back up with Q.


Dude, everyone knows that even Q. can't help MJ's career...
MJ's washed up and now his only way of getting the worlds attention is by doing some outlandish PR stunt...

Neversin.
[This message was edited Sat Jul 6 10:09:00 PDT 2002 by Neversin]
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“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

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Reply #42 posted 07/06/02 10:07am

Neversin

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subyduby said:

right now he is studying with marlon brando for acting.


Yeah... just what he needs, another guy who's made a joke of his own career...

Neversin.
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Reply #43 posted 07/06/02 10:25am

Neversin

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eos23 said:

You're a "hardcore" prince fan...and u talk like that??? Where is the LOVE, the only LOVE there is...is the LOVE we make. U don't have to "like" Michael, but u are not in a position to throw stones my friend..."never sin"ONELOVE


Hey girly, what the fuck has being a hardcore prince fan have to do with "LOVE"??
I like and collect the man's music, so that doesn't mean I have to act or talk like him...
But you're probably one of those fans who just believes and does everything he spurts out at you...
If Prince said that you should jump off the Empire State building all in the name of "LOVE", you'd probably do it huh?

Neversin.
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Reply #44 posted 07/06/02 10:37am

rdhull

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DavidEye said:

But I DO like the fact that he is cutting his losses and moving on rapidly.It looks like he's gonna record a new CD before he signs a record deal (using the new album as a "bargaining tool" when serious negotiations begin).


Others have told me he has completed songs in the can ready for a new cd etc. I dont believe this for a second. Or put it this way..I think he may have some songs finished(stuff not used for Invincible) but regardless if he had 20 songs ready at the helm right now, he still isnt going to put out any product within a year from now.Thats just what I think..if he doe s put anything out within a year from now I will send u ten bucks.
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #45 posted 07/06/02 10:41am

rdhull

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Neversin said:

rdhull said:

Thats just what he needs...more flavor of the month production. Everyone knows his ass needs to hook back up with Q.


Dude, everyone knows that even Q. can't help MJ's career...
MJ's washed up and now his only way of getting the worlds attention is by doing some outlandish PR stunt...
Neversin.


While his career is tarnished like cheap silver plated seventies tea service and crap, getting back with Q can help put a focus back on the music for a start though..but for sme reason I have a feling even Q is fed up with him.
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #46 posted 07/06/02 12:27pm

eos23

JimmyNothing said:

When it comes to the whole "Emancipation" from his record label, then yes I would say that MJ is copying Prince. The whole "slave" argument that he used was almost Prince - verbatim.

As for the fans protesting for him, that's a laugh. He's a has-been, but just doesn't realize it yet because everybody treats him like a god. But I do think the public has lost its patience with MJ. Nobody's gonna do anything for him.

It's sad to think that someone sabotaged his own career not by lack of talent, but simply through plastic surgery. MJ must go to bed with an amazing level of guilt and self-hatred.


Michael is "not" the only one copying Prince!!! Prince said "If u don't own your masters, the master owns u" Prince took a step forward so that others would follow. Do u know how many artists boycotted the Grammy Awards??? There is "divine discontent" all up in the music industry. Prince himself said "When Lenny gets off the plantation,we are gonna do some great music." so what are u all gonna be mad at Lenny now??? Come on, Prince opened the doors 4 other artists to walk thru, so stop trippin!!! Another thing, Michael Jackson still has a "huge" fan base, there are many people who still love and admire Michael Jackson, and give him the credit 4 inspiring their careers...Michael was "famous" "before" Prince, Prince even said he looked at Michael Jackson when Prince was young, and said that he wanted 2 be more famous than Michael Jackson...Why are u people so cruel and judgemental...Michael Jackson said that he and Elizabeth Taylor and Liza Minelli aren't even from this planet...Maybe the way Michael looks is the way they look on his planet...He is a light being, not just a black man, he is so much more than his "body temple" and so are all of "us" so why not mediate on becoming a "celestial being"??? Being the living truth in human form...
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Reply #47 posted 07/06/02 12:34pm

eos23

Neversin said:

eos23 said:

You're a "hardcore" prince fan...and u talk like that??? Where is the LOVE, the only LOVE there is...is the LOVE we make. U don't have to "like" Michael, but u are not in a position to throw stones my friend..."never sin"ONELOVE


Hey girly, what the fuck has being a hardcore prince fan have to do with "LOVE"??
I like and collect the man's music, so that doesn't mean I have to act or talk like him...
But you're probably one of those fans who just believes and does everything he spurts out at you...
If Prince said that you should jump off the Empire State building all in the name of "LOVE", you'd probably do it huh?

Neversin.


First of all, DO NOT CALL ME "GIRLY"... That is disrespectful, I am a grown "woman".. Second of all, what I meant about being a hard core prince fan, is that u should be more "accepting" of other people's paths. That doesn't have 2 do with Prince, it has to do with "God" and "universal Law". I just feel that if u listen 2 Prince's music u should be a little bit more "universal" and a little bit more "compassionate" Why are u judging your brother Micheal? We are ONE, and u don't think Michael's thoughts, dream Michael's dreams, or walk around in his body temple, U don't know about Michael's personal relationship with God, and how what Michaels is doing is going to help others...Judge not lest U be Judged!!! And if "God" told me to jump off the Empire State Building in the name of "Love" yes, yes I would...
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Reply #48 posted 07/06/02 12:45pm

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Why are u judging your brother Micheal? We are ONE, and u don't think Michael's thoughts, dream Michael's dreams, or walk around in his body temple, U don't know about Michael's personal relationship with God, and how what Michaels is doing is going to help others...


Are you talking about the Michael who sang Beat It--or some other messiah Michael I havent heard of yet? Lemme know.
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #49 posted 07/06/02 12:57pm

eos23

rdhull said:

eos23 said:


Why are u judging your brother Micheal? We are ONE, and u don't think Michael's thoughts, dream Michael's dreams, or walk around in his body temple, U don't know about Michael's personal relationship with God, and how what Michaels is doing is going to help others...


Are you talking about the Michael who sang Beat It--or some other messiah Michael I havent heard of yet? Lemme know.


Look, U know I'm talking about Michael Jackson...Don't insult my intelligence or your own... I just know that God requires more of us when it comes 2 accepting our brothers and sisters. Judge not lest U be judged. You are not without sin in your life, so lay off Micheal okay???

And u know what else? all u naysayers and Michael haters are gonna be real suprised, when Michael ascends out of this chaos and confusion and into the light...This is about God...not record companies...

Maybe u should look at the man in the mirror...instead of being a victim of a selfish Love, it's time that u realize that there are some with no home and not a nickle to loan, could it be would it be pretending that they're not alone...

IF u wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and then make a change...Quit looking at Michael...look at your own reflection in the mirror...in the words of Prince.."wake up children,dance the dance electric, there isn't much time...
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Reply #50 posted 07/06/02 1:17pm

rdhull

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eos23 said:

rdhull said

Are you talking about the Michael who sang Beat It--or some other messiah Michael I havent heard of yet? Lemme know.


Look, U know I'm talking about Michael Jackson...Don't insult my intelligence or your own... I just know that God requires more of us when it comes 2 accepting our brothers and sisters. Judge not lest U be judged. You are not without sin in your life, so lay off Micheal okay???

And u know what else? all u naysayers and Michael haters are gonna be real suprised, when Michael ascends out of this chaos and confusion and into the light...This is about God...not record companies...

Maybe u should look at the man in the mirror...instead of being a victim of a selfish Love, it's time that u realize that there are some with no home and not a nickle to loan, could it be would it be pretending that they're not alone...

IF u wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and then make a change...Quit looking at Michael...look at your own reflection in the mirror...in the words of Prince.."wake up children,dance the dance electric, there isn't much time...


Security!!...without sin in my life etc? Huh? No need to go off on all those hysterics etc. MJ is a public figure and he will be discussed as one...good and bad, riduculous and serious. Why do you take it so personal? Doesnt matter if he's black or white ( no pun intended), people who do certain acts will get clowned or discussed etc. Nobody loves his music more than I do, but that doesnt mean I hold him up to be some sort of deity. Next time take the blue pill mkay?
[This message was edited Sat Jul 6 13:19:47 PDT 2002 by rdhull]
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Reply #51 posted 07/06/02 1:40pm

eos23

rdhull said:[quote]

eos23 said:

rdhull said

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Security!!...without sin in my life etc? Huh? No need to go off on all those hysterics etc. MJ is a public figure and he will be discussed as one...good and bad, riduculous and serious. Why do you take it so personal? Doesnt matter if he's black or white ( no pun intended), people who do certain acts will get clowned or discussed etc. Nobody loves his music more than I do, but that doesnt mean I hold him up to be some sort of deity. Next time take the blue pill mkay?
[This message was edited Sat Jul 6 13:19:47 PDT 2002 by rdhull]


See, words can be "so" misunderstood. That's my whole point! It's not just about public figures, we talk in terms of good and bad when it comes 2 all of humanity. There is no good or bad, white or black, up or down...only in the world of duality... a world where we feel that we can "clown" people and look at them as "separate" from ourselves. (i don't find anything anyone has said about Michael "funny" )

Yes I do take it "personally" because I love the soul of this man, and the light he has shown on my path. Stop maliciously attacking his "integrity"...

As long as u clown Micheal, or "anyone" 4 that matter u bring the circus home to roost in your life. WE are all Dieties, we are all the living truth in human 4orm, and once u leave the world of duality, of opposities, of good and bad, right and wrong...then u can expand your mind and evolve into Celestial Humanity, and see yourself as well as all of life...as light...and divinity...we are all just unique expressions of this light...

I have no more comments other than...Eye wish u Love, Eye wish u Heaven... Eos "Goddess of the Dawn"...The Dawn of Aquarian Understanding and truth...which is Tolerance of others and their unique expression of the light within...
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Reply #52 posted 07/06/02 1:46pm

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See, words can be "so" misunderstood. That's my whole point! It's not just about public figures, we talk in terms of good and bad when it comes 2 all of humanity. There is no good or bad, white or black, up or down...only in the world of duality... a world where we feel that we can "clown" people and look at them as "separate" from ourselves. (i don't find anything anyone has said about Michael "funny" )

Yes I do take it "personally" because I love the soul of this man, and the light he has shown on my path. Stop maliciously attacking his "integrity"...

As long as u clown Micheal, or "anyone" 4 that matter u bring the circus home to roost in your life. WE are all Dieties, we are all the living truth in human 4orm, and once u leave the world of duality, of opposities, of good and bad, right and wrong...then u can expand your mind and evolve into Celestial Humanity, and see yourself as well as all of life...as light...and divinity...we are all just unique expressions of this light...

I have no more comments other than...Eye wish u Love, Eye wish u Heaven... Eos "Goddess of the Dawn"...The Dawn of Aquarian Understanding and truth...which is Tolerance of others and their unique expression of the light within...



I'm damn near Speechless (no pun intended). Although I think you are quite naive in this world we live in,I admire the principles you are trying to get across...wheres the collection plate? I'll donate a coupla bucks just for general purposes.
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #53 posted 07/06/02 2:00pm

Wolf

Yikes!

Who's bad?

Amid a messy $200 million dispute with Sony, Michael Jackson adopts temporary blackness and summons Al Sharpton to his cause. But racism hasn't torpedoed your career, Michael: Your music sucks.


By Bomani Jones

June 26, 2002 |

Sony has just realized something that's been apparent to everyone else for about a decade now: Michael Jackson is washed up. Jackson has yet to take the hint, but he hasn't released a cutting-edge album in 20 years or an above-average album in 15. Even so, he's been treated like the megastar he once was, a reception that subjects us to a semi-decennial promotional campaign that overloads the world with images of a man in his prime. But when the Wizard emerges from the curtain, he's revealed as a performer on his last legs. So Sony and Jackson have decided to part ways on less than amicable terms, the record company only requiring three new tracks and a greatest-hits compilation from Jackson.

But months after the release of Jackson's sixth solo album, "Invincible," the details of the self-appointed King of Pop's catfight with his record label have come to light. The battle apparently centers on a rumored multimillion-dollar debt, a $25 million promotional campaign that Jackson found to be insufficient and one of the most lucrative publishing catalogs on Earth. If that isn't juicy enough for you, Jackson has summoned Johnnie Cochran and Al Sharpton to his side. Oh, goody.


The Associated Press has reported that Jackson may owe Sony up to $200 million, a condition created by the star's penchant for borrowing money and the massive costs put into readying his albums for release. Jackson asserts that Sony underpromoted "Invincible," citing the fact that only one video was released from the album (for the lackluster opening single, "You Rock My World") as an example of negligence.

Jackson -- along with many music-industry observers -- feels that the squabble may really be over the rights to the Beatles catalog that Jackson acquired in the mid-1980s (and who could ever forget the squabble with Paul McCartney that caused?). By underpromoting Jackson's work, Sony could hypothetically force Jackson into such massive debt that he'd have to sign over the portion of that catalog that he owns. (Sony already owns the rest.)

In response, Cochran and Sharpton have become players in the controversy, reaffirming Jackson's place in the halls of fair-weather blackness, his bust sitting right alongside O.J. Simpson's. Jackson's racial, shall we say, confusion has always made for interesting spectator sport. Whether his loss of pigmentation in the last few decades was natural or artificial is up for debate, but what's unquestionable is the rush of pride he seems to feel in his race when things are going bad for him in the court of public opinion.

When things are all good, though, he's hanging with Elizabeth Taylor and gallivanting through Europe. At this point, all I can say is that Jackson better hope Cochran and Sharpton own a record company.

That Sony is trying to strong-arm Mike is a plausible theory, but not one worthy of much discussion. Even those who are not fans of A Tribe Called Quest are familiar with Q-Tip's Industry Rule No. 4,080: "Record-company people are shaaady." No one is likely to be surprised by such a thing. What is surprising, though, is that Jackson seems to think that Sony is responsible for his last album selling just 5 million copies worldwide. You might argue it's even more surprising that Sony is still pumping zillions of dollars into Jackson's career, all based on glory attained during the Reagan administration.

Wake up and smell the coffee, folks. Michael Jackson is done. Ten years ago, Sony would not have been in a position to dream about bullying Jackson, then the biggest star in the universe. But really, didn't we all know he was done when "HIStory" was released in 1996? People should have noticed how resistant the supposed Jackson-loving masses were to that year's media blitz.

Anyone who has heard Jackson's last three albums should also have noticed that he stopped being a trendsetter and has settled into the role of music's slowest-reacting follower. "Dangerous" was a new jack swing album that seemed just a tad outdated when it hit the streets. No one seems to be able to tell what "HIStory" was, and I'm willing to hypothesize that the album wouldn't have sold half as well as it did if not for the collection of classics that came along with the CD. And as "neo-soul" became the style du jour, Jackson released "Invincible," a slick, urban pop/R&B album that was completely out of place in the contemporary music landscape.
This isn't the sort of awkwardness that indicates a man ahead of his time; instead, it's the manifesto of a man whom the game has blown past. Twenty years ago, of course, Jackson was nothing short of a pop visionary. On the heels of "Off the Wall," an album so successful that people wondered if Jackson could ever approach its standard again, His Royal Popness returned with "Thriller."

Little can be said about "Thriller" that hasn't been said ad nauseam, but it remains true that few albums ever have so thoroughly melded the entire pop landscape, often doing so within one song, in Beatle-esque fashion. Remember, "Beat It" was a wildly successful merger of contemporary black music with hard rock, one that came three years before Run-DMC had even heard "Walk This Way."

And while Funkadelic released many classic albums based around the electric guitar, none were smooth enough to get mainstream radio play. Combine that with the rest of the album -- "Billie Jean," which dominated the airwaves for what seemed like months and had kids from the inner city to college campuses trying to decipher its lyrics; that groundbreaking "Thriller" video with the Vincent Price narration -- and it's clear how far ahead of the curve Mike really was.


Well, that was 20 years and three presidencies ago. People don't wear acid-wash jeans anymore, and Michael Jackson is no longer a star of that magnitude. Where he once set the trends, the trends now set him. Imagine Jackson and his pristine image using an archived verse from Biggie Smalls 10 years ago. But since the world is into hip-hop, so is Mike. His reactions have gotten slow, though -- that Biggie verse is no less than six years old -- a fact that may be a reflection of his insistence on taking five years to complete one album.

While still trying to be the star he was in 1982, Jackson doesn't seem to realize that he's become the antithesis of today's stars in so many ways. Though bubble-gum pop has made a massive comeback thanks to Jive Records' holy trinity of Britney, Backstreet, and 'N Sync, the strange and reclusive superstar isn't much appreciated today. Look at two of the biggest superstars of the last 10 years: Kurt Cobain and Tupac Shakur. Strange, yes. Reclusive, no and yes. While Cobain was not a partying-in-public sort of rock star, his music had a confessional tone that gave a glimpse into his soul. Shakur was an open book, even though it was clear he was a rough draft.


In contrast, it seems like Mike hasn't come outside since he let Oprah in to do that interview at Neverland. His music is pure pop, and his lyrics are a window into a gumball machine. While most successful R&B is full of intensely personal and easily identifiable lyrics, Jackson sings cookie-cutter love songs that the public isn't buying in 2002.

Is that what Sony thinks will recoup $25 million in promotions? And then, after his record company spent all that money, Jackson somehow believes that one more video would have dramatically boosted sales? (All right, it's true that the sparkling "Butterflies" deserved a better fate.) Since when did Michael Jackson need that much help to sell records? Good albums don't need help. With a scant promotion budget, unknown singer-songwriter Jill Scott went platinum with her debut album, "Who Is Jill Scott? Words and Sounds Vol. 1." Word of mouth will sell a good album by a nobody, let alone by Michael Jackson.

Somebody, one presumes, will sign Jackson now that the divorce with Sony has been finalized. Arista founder Clive Davis, now at the helm of J Records, his "instant major" label, had great success resurrecting Carlos Santana's career. The results were not as stellar when he tried to do the same with Prince. But Davis seems like the best bet to give Jackson the kind of money the self-important former superstar would be willing to accept. If Davis isn't keen on the idea, it could be a long time before we see another album from Jackson.

Perhaps some time off will make one thing clear to Michael Jackson: His album didn't sell because people didn't like it. It's debatable whether the world wants to see a 43-year-old man doing what now looks like a Justin Timberlake impression, even if music buffs and historians understand that the former Britney beau is himself a vanilla disciple of Jackson. Sony may have spent its $25 million poorly, but nothing could have saved "Invincible" from its own mediocrity. The question now becomes whether Jackson himself -- or someone who cares about him and can penetrate his seclusion -- can save the dethroned King of Pop from whatever has driven him into irrelevance.
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Reply #54 posted 07/06/02 2:41pm

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eos23 said:


e light within...



I'm damn near Speechless (no pun intended). Although I think you are quite naive in this world we live in,I admire the principles you are trying to get across...wheres the collection plate? I'll donate a coupla bucks just for general purposes.


Speechless, how funny, that's a song on Invincible, where Michael talks about God and being in the space called Hallowed Ground. (aka the grace of God)

The collection plate, well we are looking 4 volunteers and donations to our Universal Youth telethon which will take place next summer. Bring your gifts 2 the alter.(org note me or Dex if u wanna know more)..

.and as far as being Naive...LOL (not really) I'm a visionary, from the future 2 tell u how the world will be, not as it is...The only Love there is...is...the Love we make...ONELOVE.
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Reply #55 posted 07/06/02 2:59pm

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Only about 150 showed up for the demonstration in front of Sony headquarters in New York today. Says alot about Michael Jackson's popularity and credibility.
The fact that he leaves Prince out of his racism accusations against the record industry shows an even greater lack of credibility. Where was MJ when Prince was wearing slave scrawled on his face and speaking out against the record industry to anyone who would listen?
If Michael really did molest little boys, and industry insiders knew about it but kept it secret, I think this could get very interesting.
But either way, Prince wins. Because even if MJ doesn't mention Prince, stories about MJ's feud with Sony and Tommy certainly will since Prince was one of the first to go public with his views.
It's funny that now Michael rememebers he's black and he's screaming racism against the record industry. What a hypocrite.
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Reply #56 posted 07/06/02 3:05pm

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Wolf said:[quote]Yikes!

[quote]Who's bad?


Wow, that was quite a mouth full...You know I find it funny...Here I was in the Pacific Northwest, and I called down to Atlanta (predominantly black city) and said 2 my friend Sean "Hey u gotta get Michael's new album" to which he replied "u are about the 100th person who has said that to me in the last few weeks...HMMM

U have 2 understand that Michael, like Prince has a core group of people who will "always" Love him and support him. Does it really matter that Michael hasn't lived up to the public's expectations since the 80's? NO what matters is when u look at the entire span of the man's career, and the vanguard moves that he did make..Ask many of the successful artists 2day who their role model was, and they will say Michael Jackson...Destiny's Child gives him his props.

...Black people have an inherent gene within them that helps them to die and regenerate, and we haven't seen the last of Micheal yet, or the best...

.And oh, by the way...Did u know that before Michael Jackson, MTV wasn't playing black artists, if not 4 Michael taking a stand with MTV we would have missed out on alot of talent being show on MTV,including our beloved prince. (check the vh=1 archives)

And one more thing The record industry "itself" is failing, consumers aren't buying albums period!!! Even the success of Eminem's top selling album isn't pulling the industry out of a rut...And, if I had been allowed 2 choreograph the video for 2000 watts...u all would be running 2 the "wrecka stow" to get your "michael jackson on"...Stay Tuned...
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Reply #57 posted 07/06/02 3:13pm

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It's funny that now Michael rememebers he's black and he's screaming racism against the record industry. What a hypocrite.


U know u people are sooo funny 2 me. Michael has black parents, black mother, black father, a black family...Do u really think that black people can forget they are black?

Do u think that this society "let's" us forget we are black. This is a very "racist" comment...Michael was in the industry at a time where he still had to deal with "white only" signs and enter in through the back door. Do u think anyone can forget being treated as less than human. And even if only "1" person came out to support Michael, he still has support...
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Reply #58 posted 07/06/02 3:21pm

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Face it. Michael Jackson is a joke. And a pretty sad on at that. He destroyed himself. Plastic surgery and pedophilia are his own doing, not anyone else's.
At least Prince is a gifted musician who's doing for self. To see him at the Celebration was a revelation. Talent like that can't be controlled by a record company.
MJ, on the other hand, seems like a paler version of La Toya. Nothing much more to offer and zero credibility.
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Reply #59 posted 07/06/02 3:45pm

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...Black people have an inherent gene within them that helps them to die and regenerate, ...


Are you confusing the sometimes inability to break down certain enzymes in milk products causing lactose intolerance?
"Climb in my fur."
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