DMSR said:

I think in his own mind he's not rated highly enough.

Krytonite said:

I agree with you.
Looks like Kanye has the world by the balls - why shouldn't he be arrogant?
He is young & hot.
And whats wrong with being arrogant?
That just means he is self-confident & fearless.
I remember when U2 first record was released - Bono said they were the world's greatest rock band.
Arrogance didn't destroy their career.

dude, whatever, that Grammy performance was amazing! Fleetwood Who? so what if he borrowed the idea.....without the concept of borrowing, rap wouldn't really exist now would it?

pkidwell said:

Forget Fleetwood Mac--Gwen Stefani did that marching band shit LAST YEAR. The problem with Kanye is that he doesn't have the walk to back up his talk. It's be like if Ali couldn't swing, the hype would be pointless.

-He's had TWO albums. They were good. Were they monster successes? No. Did they reinvent rap or jettison hip hop into uncharted waters? No. They were not "like a Virgin" or "Thriller". Hell, they weren't even "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'em". They were good albums, but they didn't set the world on fire. He seems to think they did.

-Kanye West is, at best, MAYBE a household name. Most of that comes from his mangled speech during the Katrina telethon. I mean, if you are gonna call the President out, don't mumble and stumble like a scared 3rd grader rebelling against their teacher. The intention was good, the execution was bad.

-Lastly, and most importantly, he's just not that original. Now, I know it's a derivative art form, but he's not as authentic or new as the hype would have you believe. Put him in a room with someone who is and watch him get eaten.
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Love the concept of Prince fans complaining about another artist being arrogant

The music industry has a way of humbling even the most arrogant of all musicians. Especially Hip Hop artists. Let's see how arrogant he is in about five years.

RipHer2Shreds said:

exactly

Universaluv said:

Like I said Kanye can't back his arrogance up. When he is speaking, it is hot air. Prince can walk the walk and talk the talk. Kanye hasn't proved much yet.

DMSR said:

dude lets not EVEN go there ok. everybody borrows/copies from everybody.
mj, prince and terrence trent darby jack james browns dance moves on a regular
madonna jacked that rollin on the stage bit from patti

come on thats a bs complaint right there
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CalhounSq said:

And he can't rap. His flow suuuuks. He should stick to producing other people and shut the hell up.

I have "Late Registration" and I enjoy it a lot, but at the end of the day what makes Kanye West NOT a genius is the fact that every single song on his album is a sample. With enough time with a sampler ANYONE can do it. Is he good at choosing samples? I'll give him that but big deal. Brilliant artists don't record other people's compositions just to rap over them. He doesn't even sing, which means that he doesn't have to even come up with an original melody of his own?

I love the way a site os a cat that constantly rips off James Brown, Jimi, Carlos and now Ike Turner are siting here dissing a rapper that does not promote violence and the abuse of women, who people told him he would not make it making that type of rap music


Kayne is a hip hop legend and he can back it up

Platnium albums
Spoke out against Bush
Positive rapper
Music Label
He has earned everything
He is a survivor
He got Jay Z/Nas together
producing Jay Z next album
he's got the music
and the videos
he has introduced Lupe Fiasco



I don't understand you people

workingupahiyellasweat said:[quote]I love the way a site os a cat that constantly rips off James Brown, Jimi, Carlos and now Ike Turner are siting here dissing a rapper that does not promote violence and the abuse of women, who people told him he would not make it making that type of rap music


Everybody in popular music owes a debt to the people you just mentioned. Prince is no different. I do applaud Kanye for being more positive in his rap. However, MC Hammer was positive in his rap too. It's a nice change of pace, but hardly "genius" or "original".


Kayne is a hip hop legend and he can back it up

Okay, follow me with this: None of these make him a "genius" or a "legend". They are the ingredients that most "Flavor of the month" artist could have. Not saying Kanye is a flavor of the month-just that he is far from proving himself a "genius" or a "legend".

Platnium albums-----So does Ashlee Simpson
Spoke out against Bush-----So does everyone and they do it without sounding like a scared jack ass who can't stop mumbling.

Positive rapper----So was MC Hammer and Will Smith.
Music Label-----Who doesn't have their own music label. Hardly original.
He has earned everything-----Yeah- Most people do earn everything, it's called a job. Again, I am pretty sure that Kanye earning what he has does not automatically qualify him as a "genius" or "legend".

He is a survivor---Again, so are number of artists. Maybe Kanye ripped this off from Tina Turner? Again, does not make him a "genius" or "legend".

He got Jay Z/Nas together----So what? It was good business. In the hip hop world this was huge. The rest of the world could give a shit.Jay Z collaborating with some one to make $$$$? Wow, Kanye is STILL not a genius.Maybe opportunistic, not necessarily a genius or legend.

producing Jay Z next album--well move the fuck over quincy jones. Someone who is HOT is producing a big name album???

he's got the music---WHat? Ashlee Simpson "has the music".
and the videos-----Again, who doesn't?

he has introduced Lupe Fiasco---Wow! Is Kanye the 1st to introduce a protege or new artist?!?!? Still, in terms of hip hop, it's not that original and almost passe. Dre introduced Eminem, Snoop, and 50. Lupe Fiasco? Who cares?


Again none of these make Kanye a genius or legend. I am not saying he isn't talented or shouldn't be "hot" right now. But, he has a LONG way to go to be original in terms of music. In hip hop, anything different, is judged as "genius" because it is such a derivative art form. Kanye is a cool cat, but he needs to chill out with thinking that he is a "genius". Again, he is all talk and no walk.

Well your counter points have more holes in it then Prince's recent songwriting abilities

I have a feeling you really do not know what you are talking about in regards to hip hop

the textures on his albums have not been heard in hip hop

anyways, why am I talking about hip hop on a Prince website

you are dismissed, son






skywalker said:[quote]

workingupahiyellasweat said:

Prince hasn't ripped anybody off,he has elements that remind you
of other performers,is that a bad thing?..everything you hear is an
influence..by the way Kanye is a jackass

workingupahiyellasweat said:

Nah, i think skywalker dismissed you.

workingupahiyellasweat said:[quote]Well your counter points have more holes in it then Prince's recent songwriting abilities

I have a feeling you really do not know what you are talking about in regards to hip hop

the textures on his albums have not been heard in hip hop

anyways, why am I talking about hip hop on a Prince website

you are dismissed, son




Dismissed huh? Like you taught me something and now class is over?

You claim my counterpoints are full of holes, yet you refuse to illustrate what those holes are, furthermore, you fail to back up your argument at all. You just throw out facts about Kanye West that are supposed to mean something, but they don't really show anything at all. They are hollow facts that you could attach to most people in pop music. On top of that, you make presumptions about my knowledge of hip hop, in hopes that making your point stronger-which you don't. One doesn't need a subscription to "Source" magazine to win this argument.

As I said before, Kanye is alright, but he hasn't shown anything to back up his claims-kind of like you.

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

"swoll head syndrome", LOLOL
----I'm sorry, but that is the phrase of the month now!

JAMIESTARR said:

that may be true about Kanye...but Prince has ripped a lot of people off in his live performances...he just chooses more obscure stuff to rip from (not counting his James, P-funk influenced stuff)

what i have learned from this thread:

Kanye West is an arrogant asshole, always was, probably always will be. Nothing new folks.

Kanye uses tracks, we knew this while we were jammin' to Jay-Z's songs long before we even knew there was a Kanye West....

Old school hip hop use to over use J.B.'s tracks till death, but we never see threads discussing this.

Yeah, okay, hip hop mostly now is nothing but old school tracks of legendary songs, but the song everybody talks about whenever discussing the beginning of the hip hop genre is "Rapper's Delight" by the Sugar Hill Gang, which even includes, yes you've guessed it, a sample of Chic's "Good Times".

Prince uses some things from musicians he admires so did M.J.

I'm not defending it, just observing.

ThePunisher said:

I give him about one more album before the fall begins-- just ask Norah Jones, Alicia Keys, 50 Cent, Eminem, etc. When you're that hot and as cocky as him and every song, I mean sample, starts to sound the same, people get real sick of you.

missfee said:

I don't remember the Sugarhill Gang posing as Jesus and saying they got ripped off at the Grammys. Hammer was cocky, but he didn't seem to care about winning a Grammy. Grammys aren't cool, who f$cking cares about winning a Grammy. This shows how much Kanye really wants to sell out.

DMSR said:

yeah Hammer was cocky, but damn he sure could dance!!! everybody use to laugh at Hammer and how he lost all that money, but he used to do movies, cartoons, commericals, and tv shows...people said he was selling out..

now look, everybody that comes out got to do a movie, a fashion line, etc. Hell 50 cent got a video game and nobody is saying how he is selling out and shit!!!

Universaluv said:

I respect him more after watchin the Life and Rhymes of Kanye West on MTV

Leave him alone, hes dragged me back into hip hop after nine years. Hes an intelligent smooth brotha whose funky too. Gold digger is like the best and most commercial rap song made.
A lot people want to beat up on this brother cos he ain't a gangsta or a thug but he raps about positive stuff.
I like the sampling its clever, even Prince would have to admire Kanye. This stuff is thumpin man.
Just cos hes successful aint his fault, just means a lot of people wanna listen to what he says. What u listen to is a personal choice and a lot of people want to hear what Kanye West has to say.

I aint, dealing with no broke ass nigga, Come on girl, come on and get down.

Kanye is cocky,arrogant and all that,but I think he's better than anything else in hip-hop these days.And at least he had the balls to stand up and speak the truth about President Bush and the whole Katrina disaster

DavidEye said:

Thats the thing, I loved that and I do like most of his music, I remember when I heard "Wire" and it caught my ear right away, I always liked that ballad. I just wish he didn't brag and have all that crap goin on cause he's not bad. Don't worry about Grammys, only MJ cares about awards!

by and large, a generation gap surfaces...


Lump me in the olden folks: Kanye's mouth is his bread and butter, as well as his biggest hinderance.

He'll find out soon enough how America feels about big-mouthed black men, especially young ones whose flash appears to outweigh their substance.

Maybe he should study up on this genius...

I like the sampling its clever, even Prince would have to admire Kanye.

Um, yeah you should read up on if Prince thinks "sampling" is the same as being a musician. Prince would admire Kanye getting away from negativity perhaps.