I love discussing Michael and his life thus far with orgers and people at MJNO. For me it is always interesting. Here is the thought that crossed my mind. Forget the insanity that was the 2005 "case." Travel back in time with me to 1993. When Michael went on live TV from his Neverland Ranch and said, " I ask all of you to wait to hear the truth before you label or condemn me. Don't treat me like a criminal because I am innocent." Did you believe him? or his accuser? I realize (even for me as a young fan of his during the Dangerous era) it was shocking and jaw dropping, however, I'm just curious who people believed back then? 2005 aside.

Well...?

This topic has been beaten to death, will it ever die?

luv4u said:

Kill THIS Thread!!! Kill THIS Thread!!! Kill THIS Thread!!! Kill THIS Thread!!! Kill THIS Thread!!! Kill THIS Thread!!!.....

luv4u said:

Will it every die?

i was only 6 i barely remember it. well i remember it but I dont.....

if that makes sense

Hell no.

Krytonite said:

Fixed

I believed him in 93. Do I believe him now...? thats another question.

I believed he was guilty both times.

You have to be a pretty thick fucking idiot to actually think michael jackson did it. i mean come on!?!? lol.how the hell are you gona molest some kid in cali. when your in florida! lmao!

or to quote the boy's (93) father "i have a plan to destroy michael jackson"


sorry. but if you think he acutally did it. your an idiot!

i was about 12 i doubt i really cared at that time. but now looking at it i dunno who to believe. them just settling for cash is kinda but on the other hand any kind of abuse is a touchy subject to be messin with.

P2daP said:

Huh? What are you talking about, you must remember something I don't.

Besides, if MJ's defense was that simple and easily provable, why did he settle?

Because they never accused Michael of actual penetration which is easy to prove, but rather of molestation, inappropriate touching and in this case it´s your word against his word and if the org represents the public partly, than as you can see, a lot of ppl would believe the boy over Michael. He did not want to risk that.


Let me refresh your memory.
In 2005, when Sneddon went out with his (in)famous press conference, he said, there was molestation, stated a certain time when it was supposed to happen and claimed he had several victims who would testify against Michael. Interestingly enough, after Michael´s laywer Geragos came out saying they were calm, because Michael can prove he was in Florida at the time when the alleged allegation took place, guees what happened. Sneddon moved the timeline. Out of several victims, only ONE (coming from a family with shady past) testified against Michael, the rest in favour of him. Also the actually allegations were changed. The molestation was changed to an attempt to molest which you don´t need evidence for to prove, just someone claim it happen. With that, we´re back to that one´s word against other´s and than it´s NOT about evidence, but about who do you believe. And those who watched closely the case know there truly was NO evidence.

As to the original question, I think my previous post answers that. No, I never believed any of those allegations. None of them was proven enough for me to believe.

93: I thought he was innocent, but then I was only 15 and I still thought MJ could do no wrong.

05: I'm pretty sure a guilty man walked away.

P2daP said:

Sorry, but if you think he actually did it you're an idiot!

There. I corrected your sentence so that you don't look like an idiot when calling another an idiot.

Okay, in 93 I believed him but with the second allegations and after reading the Smoking Gun in regards to the 93 case, I began to question my belief in his innocence. I just couldn't and still can't see how a kid of 12 or 13 could make that shit up, it was so detailed.

I don't believe that he molested the 2 boy. After watching the E reenactments it's my opinion that the second boy and his family are liars.

TonyVanDam said:

DO IT NOW! DO IT NOW DO IT NOW!!!!!

dag said:

Guilty twice, got away with it twice

sermwanderer said:

Yep. Guilty, period. I completely believe MJ was guilty.

Why keep discussing it? He was acquitted of any acts of child molestation. He's been totally acquitted. The judge told jurors in the 05 trial that they could convict him based on past allegations. So when they found him not guilty, they found him not guilty of 1993 and 2003.

VanitySixx said:

HOw about 20 million reward? I bet there are a lot of ppl willing even to kill for less money.

It´s interesting that ppl assume that he was guilty in 93 because he paid off (because he probably did it, but why not also question the family for their willingness to take the money instead of making him go to jail, They had two opportunities to do that , but in 1993, they took the money and signed a document basically proclaiming MJ´s innocence and saying that he is willing to give them money just to make them stop making him problems and in 2003 they refused to testify), and now when finally the court made the dicision that he was innocent, ppl still claim he´s guilty.

The payoff didn't bother me that much. I mean if I had the money to throw at my problems and make them go away I'd do it.

But that still doesn't explain away the boys detailed and graphic account of what took place. I know when I was that age I couldn't have made that stuff up it just seems too explicit to be a lie.

VanitySixx said:

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dag said:

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