...who?

A thread I've tried before, but been shouted down by people who seem to think that;
a) We can't talk about other artist growing reputation at the cost of Prince's
b) Don't want to accept that Prince has lost his muse.... arguably...
or
c) No one can possibly touch Prince for creativity, period.

That out of the way...
I've been listening to A LOT of Queens of the Stone Age, and Josh Homme in particular... one creative dude (who seems to like a lot of Prince) and a man who has an output to match our man of old. Also, I have been listening to Mylo, a Scottish bloke who make electronic music (Samples Prince, so he must be good!). What have you been listening to that has usurped Prince in your ears?

Jeez, talk about brass balls. There's a new Prince album coming and lots of people are happy, so you just had to go and rain on everyone's parade. You suck!

your thread doesn't make sense on this site.

and if people do think so, then that is exactly what is 'wrong' with the site nowadays.

opinions, opinions, opinions, it's just not interesting anymore.

Rick James used to give Prince a good run for his money back in the day but I haven't heard anyone since.

OH MY GOD.

Y'all not welcome these parts... spit.....tooon.... Ah'm gonna wheel out daisy duke and we'all see what we'all see..... The General Lee, The Bikini, The Vacuous nature of bodies..sorry, music.

gimme six.

For goodness sake. Should I shift over to the Non-Prince threads? I thought we were more secure than that. Be fair, Prince has done nothing innovative since, what, Lovesexy, Crystal Ball and Rainbow Children were interesting but other than tha he's done nothing new for years. Good, yes, but not new. There are other music makers out there. Are we too afraid to discuss them?

ALSO
My thread makes no sense, but there are some to whom it might make sense? I don't get it, dawntreader, what do you mean?

What the bloody hell?

First you start with a fucked up title.

You then bitch because you didn't get the response you wanted the first time you posted this nonsense.

Just to come up with the only folks usurping the throne from Prince are folks heavily influenced by him.

If that's the only criteria then wouldn't Alicia Keys be up next?

BoySimon said:

- I think it´s real nice to discuss new artists who are young and creative...I just don´t like the title ´Prince is dead´...

Every great artist usually gives his/her contribution for a certain period of time. Take guys who were innovators in the past. Most of them are Vegasy now (Paul Mc Cartney, James Brown, etc). It´s very hard to be innovating all your life. Only Miles Davis comes to my mind as a guy who were completely modern at 60, and we still dont know what he would be doing if he was alive today.

Right now I dont expect Prince to create something entirely new. I will be very happy if he makes good, consistent art (like TRC). Stevie Wonder´s new album is not revolutionary, but it´s very well done. Some great melodies, great musicians, great production in most tracks. That´s what I m expecting from Prince from now on, in his style.

Fucked up title? Okay, isn't Prince dead as far as the media are concerned? As far as the top ten are concerned? As far as "success" is concerned?

Is it nonsense to profess a liking for another artist?

As for those artists usurping Prince's throne... well, could anyone do that? Yes, of course they could, hence my reliance on Queens of the Stone Age and Mylo... without them I would be lost. Prince is a dinosaur making an unusually intriguing comeback. It does not mean I won't buy his stuff anymore, it just means that I find other musicians more invigourating than him.... at this moment in time.

So, Prince is dead.... I can think of umpteen other artists more active, more worthy. So there you are.

I'M NOT COMPARING, SO I'M NOT MEASURING ALICIA KEYS WITH PRINCE... I'M MERELY STATING THE FACT THAT PRINCE FANS MUST, BY NOW, BE GETTING THEIR INSPIRATION FROM OTHER BANDS/ARTISTS. Prince's absence is no one's fault but his own. We can't be expected to reserve our musical lives for him anymore. He isn't vital enough to be worth that.

Josh Homme.... puhlease!

Josh Homme WHAT? Mr Mcfly explain yourself. Mr Homme has made some of THE most vital and esseantial music of the last five years. Your dismissal of this man I would love to hear explained.

I can't even spell essential! What hope is there for mankind?

I feel no need to explain myself whatsoever... But thanx anyway...

So, Mr Mcfly, I'm assuming you've heard his stuff and are basing your dismissal on an aesthetic appreciation of the musical sounds that Mr Homme produces?

BoySimon said:

You would be correct in assuming that... futhermore, his muzak makes my testicles itch.

BoySimon said:

- 90% of the artists that are considered ´hot´ by the media today won´t be in the next 5 years...so, I don´t think you should base your vision of what´s relevant or not by Media standards...

There are still some good artists out there....I like System of a Down, Radiohead, John Mayer, etc....but they dont make me as happy as Prince still does.

GustavoRibas said:

I agree with you and also understand what BoySimon is saying. I have noticed that the other artist/bands that I do like are getting a little closer to the happiness/feeling that Prince music gives me. Though, Prince is still and will always be the GOAT, at least for me.

Live, now that is a another story. The gap is still wide and Prince is king.

I cannot wait for SNL and am hoping to be floored once again by the man. My anticipation for Black Sweat is very high. I hope we are not disapppointed.

Later
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Queens of the Stone Age are cool.

I don't listen to much "modern" music these days, but the band that has IMO put out amazingly creative and original music over the past 10-12 years has to be Pulp. Too bad they are no longer together.

How the hell does Josh Homme seem "a lot like Prince"??...That phrase gets tossed around way too much, and rarely holds any validity.

That said, "Dead In Love" kills...

BoySimon said:

Okay, I'm actually going to reply to this B.S.

Since when has the media deemed him "dead"? He calls his own shots of when he wants to be noticed and when he has something coming out. BEcause he doesn't play by the music biz/machine rules, he's always been some sort of enigma. They cannot get enough of him, but are afraid to touch anything concerning him. The biggest (and only) thing they had to jump on concerning Prince was the name change.

Since when has the Top Ten really defined an artist? The artist defines themself without having to bend themselves to the fickle buying public's idea of an artist. That said, his "success" can be measured in so many ways. Who would have expected his success, respect from peers AND mentors, longevity in the business, and so many other traits 25 or so years ago?

Just food for thought because your statements show you to be starving.

Done...

xpsiter said:

Good one!

minneapolisgenius said:

You'll be pleased to learn that Jarvis is back this year with some new music.

He's thinking of calling the new lp "The world's still run by cunts".



Aww man i can't wait just thinking about it!!
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liltalkm said:

- Yes...for me, nobody today is so complete. Radiohead has some nice effects and melodies, but I think they are sometimes too depressive. I love John Mayer´s composition and rythm guitars, but I miss that ´edge´ that Prince has on hard funk like Days of Wild or on his fierce guitar solos. I like the low-tuned guitars of System of a Down, but sometimes I want something a little more smooth, jazzy. Until now, Prince is the only one that combines great songwriting/guitar/jazz+rock+funk mix (ok, I love Living Colour also, but they are 80s too). Of course I miss some elements in Prince´s music too (for example, I would like to hear him rock harder than usual - Family Name solo got real close) but the man is great.

Larry Graham Jr.

Excuse the ramblings of an idiot, as far as the top ten and success are concerned.... I must have been on drugs when I typed that.

BUT, with regards the press, there is still a modicum of interest with Prince, ever more so in the USA now that he has placed himself back in the public eye with his Musicology tour and the stunt with the CD. However, I would suggest that outside the US, and certainly in Britain, there is a feeling of boredom now with regards Prince's attitude. I can remember the Emacipation launch. There I sat, in a room full of journalists, and, I'll say most, not all, had a gripe about Prince, about the name change, about his falling standard in music. They were not moved by the launch at all, and the launch performance at Paisley was received in lukewarm fashion.

I'm not sure Prince has changed his attitude to the press, you are right xpsiter in that he calls his own shots... but, just look at the ideas Universal have put forward for the promotion of 3121. He's going to be whoring himself all over the place, and look at where it's based; USA.

I heard a rumour that he's going to do the Brits, appearing with the Pussy Cat Dolls... That screams of desperation, and I can remember a Prince that would never cowtow to anybody in the past. That said, recall, if you will, his last Brits performance, to launch Emancipation. He mimed. Prince Mimed. And he played Emancipation instead of a single or whatever, fair enough, he can play what he liked, but there were people in that audience who saw a hero give an insipid performance. He even wore a glove whilst playing bass! Puh-leese.

Now I adore Prince. I love the music he creates and lets us hear. I've thrilled through his career and enjoy all the antics and idiosycracities that make up our man from Minneapolis; but, in all honesty, he stopped innovating in 1988, with a couple of notable exceptions. That doesn't mean to say the music he hs made since has not been good, enjoyable, better than most other people's releases, but it has not been as exhilirating, challenging or, and I use this word with due care, threatening, as his earlier, pre1988 releases.

Consequently, people like Queens of the Stone Age, Mylo, System of a Down etc etc have usurped his mantle and make more interesting music.

There you go. A more cogent and less emotional response.

BoySimon said:

- I agree with you...Pussycat Dolls suck...it would be indeed desperation if Prince performed with them. The last Brit Awards performance sucked also...he chose one of the worst tracks of Emancipation to play...



- But that´s exactly the frustration of 80% of Prince fans. I read the org for years...and I heard sentences like "After Lovesexy, his career took a nosedive" a million times!
But I really don´t expect that Prince will innovate again like before 88...sad but true. As I said, great and consistent albums already make me happy. I still love TRC and Gold, although there was no innovation there.



- They are young, full of hormones and they still got something to prove. I doubt they will keep the mantle in 2020...The Police was very energetic and original in the 80s, and look at Sting now...he is good, but not innovating...


- I enjoyed this response a lot more...

It is true that over a career that lasts twenty-odd years, the vibrancy and enthusiasm and muse will wane, but Prince, in my humble opinion is different. His career plateaued after Lovesexy and I think this may be down to his not believing his audience 'got' what he was trying to do with that album - hence the Graffiti Bridge project which tried to spell Lovesexy out in black and white, and subsequently became boring.

GustavoRibas, you are right when you say albums like TRC and Gold are superb pieces of work. They are works of immense talent, genius almost, but only on TRC could I hear Prince playing music differently. Gold (and Come, which is ostensibly the same album) came at a time when he was fighting with himself and with the record company, as such, such inspiration made his music relevant again.

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again, since he's settled down and lost his anger he's lost something in his music. Since he feels he's won the battle, the challenge to make better and more exciting music has disappeared.

Bands like Queens, System etc are fighting something. Possibly, over the next few years if Josh Homme gets married, then they will become flabby and flacid musically, but System, like Rage Against the Machine, have a problem that won't go away... sadly, that realisation cost us Rage.

Look at a band like Metallica, they relaunched themselves with St Anger. They have turned their inner demons into a musical success. I'm sure that Prince could do something similar... though hopefully not by chasing demons, just by getting of his ass and challenging himself. What does he say in Don't Play Me? My only competition? Well, compete!

This thread is steeped in poo

No doubt it is... but it's also steeped in perfume and roses and a smile bigger than a candy store.