I liked Joss Stone when she perfromed with James Brown on the J. Ross show

I disagree about the marketing in terms
of Chaka & Aretha..they we're marketed
in their heydays as well..they just havent
made truly great music in like decades..

i'm gonna say what some of ya'll are thinking...most of you don't like her because she's a white girl that sounds like a black soul singer without soul...

now Teena Marie, thats one soulful white chick, she's all heart, you can tell she not just "puttin'" because thats what her management told her to do...I think Teena would tell them to suck her dick before she let some man tell her what to do...u had to have tough skin to deal with Rick James...

sosgemini said:

But that is what im saying what if that IS the emotion. Not every singer is a story teller. Some just sing the song...Since she is so young perhaps she can improve with proper guidance...But for now this may be the best she can do...To display the emotion you would like to hear requires some life experience...perhaps she does not have that yet, and her singing is what it is.

Sinister said:

and thats what people have issue with.....her singing is what it is and its lifeless and emotionless..

sosgemini said:

So who do you feel has emotion when they sing?

Sinister said:

most of the artist i enjoy...hey, bubble gum singing is great..i love fivestar..but fivestar stay within their talents.....

a couple examples; sade, tracy chapman..prince when he wants to...

listen to Sade's "War Of The Hearts" or "Is it A Crime"...you feel the pain of the characters she is talking about....expecially in War Of The Hearts.

sosgemini said:

Im not trying to pick a fight with you or anything like that...All im saying is considering how young she is, is that this may be all the "emotion" she is capable of at this point.

A singer is sometimes defined by their experiences....For someone as young as she and that she doesn't come from some pain filled backround. Coupled with the fact she is a "student" of classic R&B (before that she was slated to be a pop star in the Brittney/Christina mold) which explains her marketing. And as a student she is giving you what she has learned. To truely sing with "emotion" like you want to hear the person has to have had something to draw from.

So when I say she is singing with emotion I believe she is...She just doesn't have the pain,experience or whatever to go deeper. What you hear is what she is....Not saying you have to like it, but I believe she is singing with emotion.

Sinister said:

lizz wright is around the same age as Stone...Sade was around the same age when she launched...Fantasia is the same age...

DONT SETTLE FOR LESS!!! IMHO!!!

sosgemini said:

again....im not just talking about her age or age...like I said a singer needs somthing to draw from. She does not have much to draw from so the emotion you get is what she has right now. Regardless of age....She did not come from an R&B backround like Sade and Fantasia. And to repeat myself yet again she is a "student" meaning not a master still learning.
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Sinister said:

so then shove her back into the oven and wait until she's cooked.

sosgemini said:

Do your research, sos! Sade was 25 when Diamond Life was released. Fantasia was 20 when her debut was released. Joss had just turned 17 when her debut was released state-side. The problem is that she's very young, and is listening to too many people. She'll grow, and hopefully the quality of her music will, too. Her debut was good, and the follow-up was just eh.



Val has a point edit
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RipHer2Shreds said:

How can you be so sure?

minneapolisgenius said:

GeorgeMichael said:

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minneapolisgenius said:

I can't.

minneapolisgenius said:

Have you heard her cover of Black Dog?

RipHer2Shreds said:

I sure hope you're kidding, and if not...

minneapolisgenius said:

MartyMcFly said:

Precisely.

MartyMcFly said:

Looks like we've uncovered her key demographic

I would't suck em. I ain't never seen the chick wear a shoe. That's like suckin on Eric Benet's ol crusty nympho toes.

RipHer2Shreds said:

aight...but then put her back into the oven until she is cooked...

leanne rhimes was able to emote for "blue" when she was a kid..some some young folks have the ability. and if they dont, they shouldnt be thrusted into the public's eyes until they do. which is the only point in trying to make.

RipHer2Shreds said:

diamond life was a great album...

joss stone bugs you because she blows donkey pussy

http://youtube.com/w/Blon...ch=blondie

Debbie Harry and Joss Stone...VH1 made her do it, LOL....

sosgemini said:

That's true. but keep in mind that she's still kind of young. She's a kid. She's being MANAGED and I'm sure she'S not soley in charge of making her own marketing decisions...if I was 16-18 and had a chance to sing internationally and accept endorsements, I would too. And I would think that it would be bad management skills on the part of my parents if teh wouln't at least present the option to me, in order to save $$$ for the future...

DavidEye said:

I agree. And keep in mind that this girl spends A LOT of time under the tultilege (sp?) of Betty Wright. A lot. And if Joss, as a 16-18 year old is deemed worthy enough to have Betty Wright as a mentor, I think that she will be able to develope her skills well enough in time. Like I've said before, I would love to hear how she's matured vocally after 22 or so...

sosgemini said:

It's interesting for me, because Joss is a UK artist and citizen, and I really wasn't aware that she was getting that much exposure at home in the States. Now conversely, Lizz Wright, who I always gathered was bubbling under the radar at home, is a TOTAL critical darling amongst the music community in Europe and breakout star in jazz circles HERE...in Germany alone she was was winning mega accoldades and appearing on all the awards shows when she released "Salt", and Every gigging singer I know over here has her songs in their repetoire...I actually had no idea who she was until one day I saw her on TV here getting up to accept like, her 3rd award for the evening on some European "people's-choice-y" type of program...sadlybut truly, I was like "who is that Black lady and why do I not know about her???"

alwayslate said:

Why is she a fraud? Because she is a teenage British girl who would only gravitate to the record player as a child when her mom played soul music?

Because, as a teenager, she has been taken under the wing by one of our most revered soul singer songwriters to develope her vocal and songwriting abilities in a genre of music that most American teeenagers WON'T TOUCH to save their lives because it'S more palatable for them to sing pop friendly songs and dance in isolations for music videos?

Whether you realize it or not, attitudes like this are in the same catagory as people who chastized Wyton Marsalis for commercially persuing classical music as a teenager...or even worse, some of those snarky American classical music "purists" who sneer at the fact that revered soul and gospel artists like Aretha Franklin and Shirley Ceasar have spent the last 10+ years studying opera and classical voice in earnest. I've actually sat at a dinner table with assholes in New England who would remark "Shirley Ceasar??? Aretha??? Opera??? Shouldn't they stick to jumping up and down onstage and slapping their thighs a lá Bessie Smith??? Not everyone can be Beverly Sills" -----

Ottensen said:

Ottensen said:

no, the difference is that Winton actually had talent.

and so Ms. Wright needed some dough and cashed in her credibility....the details are in folks responce...and most folks aint buying into her..expect for the same teeny boppers that drool over britney and nsynch.