well i was wondering..if thier are any expiremental or avant-garde rappers,or rap bands..well maybe i should i also so put hip-hop..then i again i dont know the difference between the two..well thats not the point..well yeah..are thier any expiremental rap acts out thier?

Not on any major labels...

hip hop is a lifestyle. rap is the music of that lifestyle.

TRON said:

weepingwall said:

try these guys....
common
outkast
little brother
heiroglyphics crew
field mob
de la soul
guru
the roots
[Edited 1/22/06 17:23pm]

diamondpearl1 said:

but are these considered experimental or avant garde?

The Boggie Monsters

thank you for the help!

weepingwall said:

you might wanna check out the last poets.

Also check out Mos Def's The new Danger Album. That shit rocks!

sosgemini said:

I'd consider them more of an alternative to the mainstream.

i don't know that there's such a thing as avant garde/experimental hip-hop or rap...you might like princess superstar - she's rap, but she comes from a punk background and her stuff is really campy and very funny.

lilgish said:

Honeydips in Goooootham

IAintTheOne said:

yea, they were on some different type a shit.


Strange!!


Think quick as I split
a-toms and bust critical mass through some plastic
Get hot like saliva but spit like boric acid
Ditty done run get amped off the wonderman surprise
Mercury rise, I rock off my greedy little eyes
Sun, moon, pronouncing the energy is solar
With tongue numba one I have fun, rockin fuller
Let me wash the aloe vera from my strands just stop blocking
The scientific method of the locking, check it
as I, shoot the ray beam from the moon
Then rebound off the lunar, get amped off the beats
and mic get tuned, check the rhythm
into another dimension for direction
Arrange when I dissect, rearrange when I'm dissecting
the flavor, how many does it take to get to the core
Of a Boo-gie-mon-ster, when he rip it or he's raw
So, whatcha got, jigga nigga Jugganaut
I'm strange when I rhyme

[Vex]
Well I'm beyond critical mass, feel the lyrical blast
Vex the vortex, man of the past
Livin in the present, and walkin in the future
H2O's, the flow as I dilute ya
Twenty-one years now I stand as a man
Drinking from the ocean crushing mountains in my hand
The natural one, eighty-four seasons I have come
Wisdom goes to those that see the sun
God, iniquity's thicker
Any black man who draws the blood of another he's a quitter
Avoid, so go and get a stricken babysitter
A million dreadlocks throws devil in the picture
purgatory, just to seckle all that petty talkin deranged
Boogiemonsters come in strange

Strange!
("And I like it...")
Ha-haha, these kids are nice
*repeat 5X, 4X - line three*

[Yodared]
Mondo McCann, microphone man
Yodaredsee Milo, dig when his mind expand
Vex to the rhyme is never social man
Myntric funk tanker slang a banger fifty grand
With the Riders of the Storm can yes we can can
Pack a black attack to evacuate the land
*together* The empire's falling check the New World Order
for the slaughter, run for shelter, underwater
See seventy percent of the world's underwater
Seventy percent of your body's underwater
Seventy percent of what we live is out of range
We rearrange disorder, but niggaz say we strange...

[Mondo]
A million and one things in our vocabulary are considered strange
Some are legendary, some deranged
But we be not the suck shits cause we explore untouched
Consider hip-hop a big virgin and we -- AHH

Remember your first days of course the sex it felt strange
You blindly explored each other's emotional plane, but hey
The Boogiemonsters consist of four
Experimentin from now til forever and we score
with the Jugganauts the giants, all the way to humans
Forever buildin hip-hop and if not nigga we're fumin cause we're

Strange!
("And I like it...")
Ha-haha, these kids are nice
*repeat 9X to fade*

Not enough!

it's sad because sooo much could be done to hip-hop to enhance it, but whenever someone does it's considered crossover.

There are a couple of folks out there experimenting, though it's not experimental enough for me. i think those who decide to stretch out do so lyrically instead of musically.

One cat who seems to be headed in the right direction is Mike Ladd he's behind of the scenes of The Infesticons and The Majesticons. Supposedly, these groups are rivals and despise each other. The Infesticons are underground/experimental and lyrically abstract, where as The Majesticons are a more typical rap group glorifying all of the superfical things most top 40 rap acts do.

Off the top of my head, i think Dr.Octogon is the most experimental stuff i've heard to date, though this dropped back in '96 so i might change my opinion if i refresh my ears. Too bad Kool Keith and Automator couldn't work things out, i think they had alot of potential to change the game and send it in a new direction. Though, Automator is now one half of Handsome Boy Modeling school and some of their stuff is sonically interesting, but not interesting enough for me to go out and buy it.

I also have to give a shout out to Quasimoto and Madvillan, MF Doom and aliases. These cats are the new shit and are pretty hot ATM. i think Quasi is the most experimental out of all of them. i'm sure many folks won't be able to handle them, but if you have ADD, smoke a lot of weed and love hip hop their latest album is a must!

If you are looking for the cream of the crop in experimental hip-hop it's MFDoom...You should also check out the Danger Mouse and MFDoom collaboration album...