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donnie mcclurkin-"we fall down" i ain't the most religious sanctified person out there, but this song speaks to me on a different level. when i'm having a really bad day, this song really helps me any body else feeling this song?
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I love We Fall Down, its a very touching and uplifting song. | |
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Leave it on repeat and I will get emotional listening to it... | |
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If all gospel songs were this good, rap would be extinct! This is an excellent jam with a powerful message....I'm digging it. | |
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meltwithu said: i ain't the most religious sanctified person out there, but this song speaks to me on a different level. when i'm having a really bad day, this song really helps me any body else feeling this song?
I certainly do. It's probably one of the most uplifting songs any christian artist has put out there ever. He and Fred Hammond are some of my favorites.
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I love that song, and I am liking other songs that he sings as well...I don't know if I heard his version of We Fall Down, but I am sure its good. | |
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BTW, Dez Dicerkson's REAL TO ME is jamming too! | |
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isn't he gay? One of Dansa's org hornies 
Supa is my gay messiah and he eats homeless dandruff sammitches on the bus.  HULK NEED LAID, HULK SMASH!!
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Dez? Hell no! Donnie McClurkin? I heard that rumor too. But only he knows for sure. | |
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DynamicSavior said: isn't he gay?
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MichaelsLight said: DynamicSavior said: isn't he gay?
No, i'm being serious. You haven't heard that? One of Dansa's org hornies
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DynamicSavior said: isn't he gay?
No, he was raped as a child by his uncle.He claims the devil was trying to plant his "seed" into him to be gay but he overcame it. | |
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ABeautifulOne said: DynamicSavior said: isn't he gay?
No, he was raped as a child by his uncle.He claims the devil was trying to plant his "seed" into him to be gay but he overcame it. I'm sorry to hear of his ordeal, but overjoyed that he surmounted it. He must have an awesome testimony... | |
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DynamicSavior said: MichaelsLight said: No, i'm being serious. You haven't heard that? Nope, never... | |
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Is Donnie McClurkin Still Gay?
By Keith Boykin September 30, 2005 08:05 AM in spirituality We have reached the final day in our series on homophobic black ministers. Today Jasmyne Cannick and I profile Donnie McClurkin. During the past five days, we have profiled T.D. Jakes, Eddie Long, Willie Wilson, Noel Jones, Gregory Daniels, Paul Morton, Charles Blake and Creflo Dollar. All these black pastors are known for their homophobia. Today, on the final day of our series, we take a different course. Today we profile a gospel musician who is also a minister. But this time we're not asking if the subject of our profile is gay. He's already acknowledged his homosexual past. Given Donnie McClurkin's familiarity with homosexuality, we want to know why he is still preaching homophobia from his pulpit. If you have any information to help us understand, please send an email by clicking here. Here now is part five, our joint profile of Donnie McClurkin. ----- Donnie McClurkin Donnie McClurkin first came across our radar several years ago. The 46-year-old unmarried gospel singer and preacher, best known for his hit songs "Stand" and "We Fall Down," popularized the phrase, "A saint is just a sinner who fell down." Back in 2002, we reported that McClurkin's church, Perfecting Faith Church in New York, drew nearly a thousand people every Sunday, including his friend, Starr Jones of ABC-TV's "The View." The collection plate at the church reportedly brought in $100,000 a month. There's no doubt McClurkin has carved out a successful career as a gospel music artist and as a minister. Next Friday, a new film called "The Gospel" will feature McClurkin when it opens in theaters. Believe it or not, we like Donnie McClurkin as a musician. We enjoy his music. We may even like his acting. But what makes McClurkin a controversial figure is his preaching. It began with McClurkin's 2001 book, Eternal Victim/Eternal Victor, where he explained his 20-year experience with homosexuality, which he said started after he was raped by an uncle. "Love is pulling you one way and lust is pulling you another and your relationship with Jesus is tearing you," McClurkin told the media. He says that God delivered him from homosexuality, and since that time, he has been counseling adolescent boys that homosexuality is merely a lifestyle choice that can be overcome. We'd like to see the proof. No reputable scientific study has ever demonstrated that homosexuality is a choice or that it can be "overcome." As we've said before, homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is a sexual orientation. People don't choose their sexual orientations. They are who they are. They may choose whether to act on their sexual orientations, but they have little or no choice about the sexual orientation itself. Donnie McClurkin had a very rough childhood. That alone is a tragedy. But what makes his otherwise inspiring story so troubling is that he is now violating young people in much the same way that he was violated. By teaching young people that they can pray their way out of who they are, he is essentially creating a generation of newly confused adolescents. Gay teenagers are already more likely to be abused in school or to attempt suicide than their straight counterparts. We've already reported on young gays and lesbians who have been beaten to death by their parents (3-year-old Ronnie Parris) and their neighbors (15-year-old Sakia Gunn). Do these young people really need to have their ministers beating them up too? We think not. A Bush supporter, McClurkin performed for the President at the Republican National Convention last year. "There is a moral aspect that was overwhelmingly a part of Bush's appeal," said McClurkin, who also appeared in Michigan with Bush during the campaign. Shortly after, he was quoted on the Christian Broadcasting Network's (Pat Robertson’s organization) web site saying: "I'm not in the mood to play with those who are trying to kill our children." So now gays are trying to kill children. That’s completely absurd and there’s no proof to validate that statement. In May of this year, McClurkin finally responded to criticism from the gay community, including criticism that appeared 3 years ago on keithboykin.com. In an interview with Religion & Ethics Newsweekly, McClurkin downplayed the controversy and described it as the product of "a few of the radical activists in the gay community trying to spin things into something that it really isn't." So what is and what isn't? Listen to what Donnie McClurkin himself says about his sexuality. "There was a big 20-year gap of sexual ambiguity where after the rape my desires were toward men, and I had to fight those things because I knew that it wasn't what we were taught in church was right. And the older I got, the more that became a problem, because those were the first two sexual relationships that I had. Eight years old and 13 years old. So that's what I was molded into. And I fought that. When I tell you from eight to 28, that was my fight -- in the church. And you were in an environment where there were hidden, you know, vultures I call them, that are hidden behind frocks and behind collars and behind -- you know, reverends and the deacons, and it becomes a preying ground, a place where the prey is hunted, and that was what it was like." McClurkin basically describes a world in which homosexuality is common in the church community. Something we have been trying to point out from day one in our campaign. The black church is the most homophobic and the most homotolerant institution in the black community. And McClurkin was a part of the community. Then he says he changed. "God started making it plain to me the things to hate. You don't hate the people, but there are certain things that are against God that may be in you that you have got to learn how to hate, even though it's in you." That leads us to wonder, how did these "things" get into you in the first place? Comparing gays and lesbians to liars, McClurkin explains, "There are certain things like, you know, anybody who has a lying problem; they get to the point where they hate being so, having such a lack of character that they make a change." In the same interview, McClurkin argues again that homosexuality is simply a lifestyle choice. "There's a group that says, 'God made us this way,' but then there's another group that knows God didn't make them that way," he says. Notice the circularity in his rhetoric. The people who say that God made them gay don't know what they're talking about because the people who say God did not make them gay are right. Well how do they know if someone was born gay or not if they are not gay themselves? It's insulting and presumptuous of others to tell gays and lesbians that they're not smart enough even to know who they are. As we have said all along, our experience has shown that the people who are the most homophobic also tend to be dealing with their own issues about their sexuality. People who are comfortable with their sexuality usually don't care as much about other people's sexuality. Which leads us to an obvious question. Is Donnie McClurkin still gay? If you have any information on McClurkin or any of the ministers we profile this week, please contact us. We want to know, and we want you to know. Send us an email by [Edited 1/8/06 20:34pm] you look better on your facebook page than you do in person | |
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 listening to it right now... | |
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meltwithu said: Is Donnie McClurkin Still Gay?
By Keith Boykin September 30, 2005 08:05 AM in spirituality We have reached the final day in our series on homophobic black ministers. Today Jasmyne Cannick and I profile Donnie McClurkin. During the past five days, we have profiled T.D. Jakes, Eddie Long, Willie Wilson, Noel Jones, Gregory Daniels, Paul Morton, Charles Blake and Creflo Dollar. All these black pastors are known for their homophobia. Today, on the final day of our series, we take a different course. Today we profile a gospel musician who is also a minister. But this time we're not asking if the subject of our profile is gay. He's already acknowledged his homosexual past. Given Donnie McClurkin's familiarity with homosexuality, we want to know why he is still preaching homophobia from his pulpit. If you have any information to help us understand, please send an email by clicking here. Here now is part five, our joint profile of Donnie McClurkin. ----- Donnie McClurkin Donnie McClurkin first came across our radar several years ago. The 46-year-old unmarried gospel singer and preacher, best known for his hit songs "Stand" and "We Fall Down," popularized the phrase, "A saint is just a sinner who fell down." Back in 2002, we reported that McClurkin's church, Perfecting Faith Church in New York, drew nearly a thousand people every Sunday, including his friend, Starr Jones of ABC-TV's "The View." The collection plate at the church reportedly brought in $100,000 a month. There's no doubt McClurkin has carved out a successful career as a gospel music artist and as a minister. Next Friday, a new film called "The Gospel" will feature McClurkin when it opens in theaters. Believe it or not, we like Donnie McClurkin as a musician. We enjoy his music. We may even like his acting. But what makes McClurkin a controversial figure is his preaching. It began with McClurkin's 2001 book, Eternal Victim/Eternal Victor, where he explained his 20-year experience with homosexuality, which he said started after he was raped by an uncle. "Love is pulling you one way and lust is pulling you another and your relationship with Jesus is tearing you," McClurkin told the media. He says that God delivered him from homosexuality, and since that time, he has been counseling adolescent boys that homosexuality is merely a lifestyle choice that can be overcome. We'd like to see the proof. No reputable scientific study has ever demonstrated that homosexuality is a choice or that it can be "overcome." As we've said before, homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is a sexual orientation. People don't choose their sexual orientations. They are who they are. They may choose whether to act on their sexual orientations, but they have little or no choice about the sexual orientation itself. Donnie McClurkin had a very rough childhood. That alone is a tragedy. But what makes his otherwise inspiring story so troubling is that he is now violating young people in much the same way that he was violated. By teaching young people that they can pray their way out of who they are, he is essentially creating a generation of newly confused adolescents. Gay teenagers are already more likely to be abused in school or to attempt suicide than their straight counterparts. We've already reported on young gays and lesbians who have been beaten to death by their parents (3-year-old Ronnie Parris) and their neighbors (15-year-old Sakia Gunn). Do these young people really need to have their ministers beating them up too? We think not. A Bush supporter, McClurkin performed for the President at the Republican National Convention last year. "There is a moral aspect that was overwhelmingly a part of Bush's appeal," said McClurkin, who also appeared in Michigan with Bush during the campaign. Shortly after, he was quoted on the Christian Broadcasting Network's (Pat Robertson’s organization) web site saying: "I'm not in the mood to play with those who are trying to kill our children." So now gays are trying to kill children. That’s completely absurd and there’s no proof to validate that statement. In May of this year, McClurkin finally responded to criticism from the gay community, including criticism that appeared 3 years ago on keithboykin.com. In an interview with Religion & Ethics Newsweekly, McClurkin downplayed the controversy and described it as the product of "a few of the radical activists in the gay community trying to spin things into something that it really isn't." So what is and what isn't? Listen to what Donnie McClurkin himself says about his sexuality. "There was a big 20-year gap of sexual ambiguity where after the rape my desires were toward men, and I had to fight those things because I knew that it wasn't what we were taught in church was right. And the older I got, the more that became a problem, because those were the first two sexual relationships that I had. Eight years old and 13 years old. So that's what I was molded into. And I fought that. When I tell you from eight to 28, that was my fight -- in the church. And you were in an environment where there were hidden, you know, vultures I call them, that are hidden behind frocks and behind collars and behind -- you know, reverends and the deacons, and it becomes a preying ground, a place where the prey is hunted, and that was what it was like." McClurkin basically describes a world in which homosexuality is common in the church community. Something we have been trying to point out from day one in our campaign. The black church is the most homophobic and the most homotolerant institution in the black community. And McClurkin was a part of the community. Then he says he changed. "God started making it plain to me the things to hate. You don't hate the people, but there are certain things that are against God that may be in you that you have got to learn how to hate, even though it's in you." That leads us to wonder, how did these "things" get into you in the first place? Comparing gays and lesbians to liars, McClurkin explains, "There are certain things like, you know, anybody who has a lying problem; they get to the point where they hate being so, having such a lack of character that they make a change." In the same interview, McClurkin argues again that homosexuality is simply a lifestyle choice. "There's a group that says, 'God made us this way,' but then there's another group that knows God didn't make them that way," he says. Notice the circularity in his rhetoric. The people who say that God made them gay don't know what they're talking about because the people who say God did not make them gay are right. Well how do they know if someone was born gay or not if they are not gay themselves? It's insulting and presumptuous of others to tell gays and lesbians that they're not smart enough even to know who they are. As we have said all along, our experience has shown that the people who are the most homophobic also tend to be dealing with their own issues about their sexuality. People who are comfortable with their sexuality usually don't care as much about other people's sexuality. Which leads us to an obvious question. Is Donnie McClurkin still gay? If you have any information on McClurkin or any of the ministers we profile this week, please contact us. We want to know, and we want you to know. Send us an email by [Edited 1/8/06 20:34pm]  I've seriously just lost all and any respect I had for him. Complete bullshit. BULL SHIT. This got me SO pissed.One of Dansa's org hornies
Supa is my gay messiah and he eats homeless dandruff sammitches on the bus. HULK NEED LAID, HULK SMASH!!
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I wish him peace. Obviously, he's still a tortured soul. Whatever your orientation, you can't help but feel sympathy for another person in pain. I joke around all the time. But there's nothing funny about a man struggling to cope with such a horrific ordeal and process all his emotions. God bless him and may others not judge him too harshly....instead try employing the compassion and understanding you hope he'll have some day... | |
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DynamicSavior said: meltwithu said: Is Donnie McClurkin Still Gay?
By Keith Boykin September 30, 2005 08:05 AM in spirituality We have reached the final day in our series on homophobic black ministers. Today Jasmyne Cannick and I profile Donnie McClurkin. During the past five days, we have profiled T.D. Jakes, Eddie Long, Willie Wilson, Noel Jones, Gregory Daniels, Paul Morton, Charles Blake and Creflo Dollar. All these black pastors are known for their homophobia. Today, on the final day of our series, we take a different course. Today we profile a gospel musician who is also a minister. But this time we're not asking if the subject of our profile is gay. He's already acknowledged his homosexual past. Given Donnie McClurkin's familiarity with homosexuality, we want to know why he is still preaching homophobia from his pulpit. If you have any information to help us understand, please send an email by clicking here. Here now is part five, our joint profile of Donnie McClurkin. ----- Donnie McClurkin Donnie McClurkin first came across our radar several years ago. The 46-year-old unmarried gospel singer and preacher, best known for his hit songs "Stand" and "We Fall Down," popularized the phrase, "A saint is just a sinner who fell down." Back in 2002, we reported that McClurkin's church, Perfecting Faith Church in New York, drew nearly a thousand people every Sunday, including his friend, Starr Jones of ABC-TV's "The View." The collection plate at the church reportedly brought in $100,000 a month. There's no doubt McClurkin has carved out a successful career as a gospel music artist and as a minister. Next Friday, a new film called "The Gospel" will feature McClurkin when it opens in theaters. Believe it or not, we like Donnie McClurkin as a musician. We enjoy his music. We may even like his acting. But what makes McClurkin a controversial figure is his preaching. It began with McClurkin's 2001 book, Eternal Victim/Eternal Victor, where he explained his 20-year experience with homosexuality, which he said started after he was raped by an uncle. "Love is pulling you one way and lust is pulling you another and your relationship with Jesus is tearing you," McClurkin told the media. He says that God delivered him from homosexuality, and since that time, he has been counseling adolescent boys that homosexuality is merely a lifestyle choice that can be overcome. We'd like to see the proof. No reputable scientific study has ever demonstrated that homosexuality is a choice or that it can be "overcome." As we've said before, homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is a sexual orientation. People don't choose their sexual orientations. They are who they are. They may choose whether to act on their sexual orientations, but they have little or no choice about the sexual orientation itself. Donnie McClurkin had a very rough childhood. That alone is a tragedy. But what makes his otherwise inspiring story so troubling is that he is now violating young people in much the same way that he was violated. By teaching young people that they can pray their way out of who they are, he is essentially creating a generation of newly confused adolescents. Gay teenagers are already more likely to be abused in school or to attempt suicide than their straight counterparts. We've already reported on young gays and lesbians who have been beaten to death by their parents (3-year-old Ronnie Parris) and their neighbors (15-year-old Sakia Gunn). Do these young people really need to have their ministers beating them up too? We think not. A Bush supporter, McClurkin performed for the President at the Republican National Convention last year. "There is a moral aspect that was overwhelmingly a part of Bush's appeal," said McClurkin, who also appeared in Michigan with Bush during the campaign. Shortly after, he was quoted on the Christian Broadcasting Network's (Pat Robertson’s organization) web site saying: "I'm not in the mood to play with those who are trying to kill our children." So now gays are trying to kill children. That’s completely absurd and there’s no proof to validate that statement. In May of this year, McClurkin finally responded to criticism from the gay community, including criticism that appeared 3 years ago on keithboykin.com. In an interview with Religion & Ethics Newsweekly, McClurkin downplayed the controversy and described it as the product of "a few of the radical activists in the gay community trying to spin things into something that it really isn't." So what is and what isn't? Listen to what Donnie McClurkin himself says about his sexuality. "There was a big 20-year gap of sexual ambiguity where after the rape my desires were toward men, and I had to fight those things because I knew that it wasn't what we were taught in church was right. And the older I got, the more that became a problem, because those were the first two sexual relationships that I had. Eight years old and 13 years old. So that's what I was molded into. And I fought that. When I tell you from eight to 28, that was my fight -- in the church. And you were in an environment where there were hidden, you know, vultures I call them, that are hidden behind frocks and behind collars and behind -- you know, reverends and the deacons, and it becomes a preying ground, a place where the prey is hunted, and that was what it was like." McClurkin basically describes a world in which homosexuality is common in the church community. Something we have been trying to point out from day one in our campaign. The black church is the most homophobic and the most homotolerant institution in the black community. And McClurkin was a part of the community. Then he says he changed. "God started making it plain to me the things to hate. You don't hate the people, but there are certain things that are against God that may be in you that you have got to learn how to hate, even though it's in you." That leads us to wonder, how did these "things" get into you in the first place? Comparing gays and lesbians to liars, McClurkin explains, "There are certain things like, you know, anybody who has a lying problem; they get to the point where they hate being so, having such a lack of character that they make a change." In the same interview, McClurkin argues again that homosexuality is simply a lifestyle choice. "There's a group that says, 'God made us this way,' but then there's another group that knows God didn't make them that way," he says. Notice the circularity in his rhetoric. The people who say that God made them gay don't know what they're talking about because the people who say God did not make them gay are right. Well how do they know if someone was born gay or not if they are not gay themselves? It's insulting and presumptuous of others to tell gays and lesbians that they're not smart enough even to know who they are. As we have said all along, our experience has shown that the people who are the most homophobic also tend to be dealing with their own issues about their sexuality. People who are comfortable with their sexuality usually don't care as much about other people's sexuality. Which leads us to an obvious question. Is Donnie McClurkin still gay? If you have any information on McClurkin or any of the ministers we profile this week, please contact us. We want to know, and we want you to know. Send us an email by [Edited 1/8/06 20:34pm] I've seriously just lost all and any respect I had for him. Complete bullshit. BULL SHIT. This got me SO pissed.----- Why this man was raped by his uncle and cousin. The same uncle raped his sister. It drove him to be shy and withdrawn and drink. He was totally unhappy in that life. If this is the way he feels this it the why he feels. No reason for the gay communinity to go after this guy. He was very brave to come out and tell what happened and his experiences have nothing to do with anybody's else life. I lost respect for a lot of people in the gay communinity when Donnie said he knows people are working overtime to dig up dirt on him. | |
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laurarichardson said: DynamicSavior said: I've seriously just lost all and any respect I had for him. Complete bullshit. BULL SHIT. This got me SO pissed.----- Why this man was raped by his uncle and cousin. The same uncle raped his sister. It drove him to be shy and withdrawn and drink. He was totally unhappy in that life. If this is the way he feels this it the why he feels. No reason for the gay communinity to go after this guy. He was very brave to come out and tell what happened and his experiences have nothing to do with anybody's else life. I lost respect for a lot of people in the gay communinity when Donnie said he knows people are working overtime to dig up dirt on him. ----- "The black church is the most homophobic and the most homotolerant institution in the black community. " The black church is no more intolerant than any other Christian organization. | |
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well i have nothing to do with his past, present, or future...I just know that this song is also an inspiration to me. The words are powerful, and he sings it with heart and soul. To me, that's all that matters.  I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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laurarichardson said: DynamicSavior said: I've seriously just lost all and any respect I had for him. Complete bullshit. BULL SHIT. This got me SO pissed.----- Why this man was raped by his uncle and cousin. The same uncle raped his sister. It drove him to be shy and withdrawn and drink. He was totally unhappy in that life. If this is the way he feels this it the why he feels. No reason for the gay communinity to go after this guy. He was very brave to come out and tell what happened and his experiences have nothing to do with anybody's else life. I lost respect for a lot of people in the gay communinity when Donnie said he knows people are working overtime to dig up dirt on him. Being raped by someone of the same sex doesn't make you gay just like being raped by someone of the opposite sex doesn't make you gay. Of course Donnie isn't going to tell a bunch of black christians that God made him gay. No one would buy his music. I would understand and respect him more if he just said because of his religious beliefs, he will be celibate for the rest of his life, which is what he is doing. A lot of faiths believe that as long as you don't practice homosexuality, you're ok. Why hasn't he found a wife yet at his age if he is truly a heterosexual man? God said to be fruitful and multiply. He said in an interview "I'm ready to be married, but haven't found the right woman"  ok. I'm sure he doesn't have a problem meeting good women expecially in the gospel arena. He's trying to live the life his faith taught him to live, which is fine. I'm sure a lot of christian women are reluctant to be with him even if they believe he's been "healed" as he has said
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laurarichardson said: DynamicSavior said: I've seriously just lost all and any respect I had for him. Complete bullshit. BULL SHIT. This got me SO pissed.----- Why this man was raped by his uncle and cousin. The same uncle raped his sister. It drove him to be shy and withdrawn and drink. He was totally unhappy in that life. If this is the way he feels this it the why he feels. No reason for the gay communinity to go after this guy. He was very brave to come out and tell what happened and his experiences have nothing to do with anybody's else life. I lost respect for a lot of people in the gay communinity when Donnie said he knows people are working overtime to dig up dirt on him. I don't care, raped or not, I don't buy that whole "ex-Christian pray out the gay" bullshit. And on top of THAT, he's telling young men that being the way God made them is a sin, as if they have any choice. If he thinks that's the way to bring young people closer to God, then he is SADLY mistaken. If anything, that'll drive them farther away. Because they'll think to themselves "What kind of loving God would make me gay just so he can hate me?" and NO gay person needs to hear that shit. It doesn't help at all. Fucking closet case bastard. This is why I don't fucking go to church. One of Dansa's org hornies
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As expected, the usual suspect spouting the same ignorant homophobic BS. You cannot run from homosexuality. God can't fix it, because it doesn't need fixin'. In the words of the immortal Tammy Faye, "We're all just people made from the same old dirt. And God didn't make any junk."
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Donnie is a fake and he hates himself!
Thats sad! I've been gay all my life and I have a wonderful relationship with my family, friends, my boyfriend and my jesus! I've always known I was gay since a very early age. NO! man raped me or taught me to be gay. Rape shouldn't drive a boy to be gay!!! If you didn't like it, then you'd never want to be put in a position like that ever again...right? Sometimes the mind works in mysterious ways, but to have sex forced on you and you become that way, I can't get with that! Thou it happens, but I don't believe he is straight in anyway today, I think he's in denial and just hates himself, because all his life ppl have told him, its not ok to be gay! Donnie...God Bless you! But your not a judge and you can't tell ppl how to live their lives! If it was my choice, then maybe I would take the easy route, so I wouldn't have to deal with all the negative remarks and stigma surrounding it all. I wouldn't want ppl to look at me any lesser than the man I am. I love myself and I am still a man, I am in love with a man and I wouldn'thave it any other way, because I feel good about myself and my future with that man. It saddens me when someone like Donnie -uses his status in the music business to belittle and degrade a community of people just to benefit himself and sell a couple of records. [Edited 1/10/06 1:07am] | |
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missfee said: well i have nothing to do with his past, present, or future...I just know that this song is also an inspiration to me. The words are powerful, and he sings it with heart and soul. To me, that's all that matters.
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BlackBuddy said: laurarichardson said: ----- Why this man was raped by his uncle and cousin. The same uncle raped his sister. It drove him to be shy and withdrawn and drink. He was totally unhappy in that life. If this is the way he feels this it the why he feels. No reason for the gay communinity to go after this guy. He was very brave to come out and tell what happened and his experiences have nothing to do with anybody's else life. I lost respect for a lot of people in the gay communinity when Donnie said he knows people are working overtime to dig up dirt on him. Being raped by someone of the same sex doesn't make you gay just like being raped by someone of the opposite sex doesn't make you gay. Of course Donnie isn't going to tell a bunch of black christians that God made him gay. No one would buy his music. I would understand and respect him more if he just said because of his religious beliefs, he will be celibate for the rest of his life, which is what he is doing. A lot of faiths believe that as long as you don't practice homosexuality, you're ok. Why hasn't he found a wife yet at his age if he is truly a heterosexual man? God said to be fruitful and multiply. He said in an interview "I'm ready to be married, but haven't found the right woman" ok. I'm sure he doesn't have a problem meeting good women expecially in the gospel arena. He's trying to live the life his faith taught him to live, which is fine. I'm sure a lot of christian women are reluctant to be with him even if they believe he's been "healed" as he has said
...oh and I love the song too... ----- "Being raped by someone of the same sex doesn't make you gay just like being raped by someone of the opposite sex doesn't make you gay." Why can't he speak for himself. Maybe this is how he feels. You just can't tell someone else how to feel. As far as him not being married. Can you imagine the sexual confusion and lack of trust he must have around people? He was introduced to sex as an 8 year old and in a totally warped manner. It is not going to easy to get over it and have an intimate relationship with a woman or a man. | |
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laurarichardson said: BlackBuddy said: Being raped by someone of the same sex doesn't make you gay just like being raped by someone of the opposite sex doesn't make you gay. Of course Donnie isn't going to tell a bunch of black christians that God made him gay. No one would buy his music. I would understand and respect him more if he just said because of his religious beliefs, he will be celibate for the rest of his life, which is what he is doing. A lot of faiths believe that as long as you don't practice homosexuality, you're ok. Why hasn't he found a wife yet at his age if he is truly a heterosexual man? God said to be fruitful and multiply. He said in an interview "I'm ready to be married, but haven't found the right woman" ok. I'm sure he doesn't have a problem meeting good women expecially in the gospel arena. He's trying to live the life his faith taught him to live, which is fine. I'm sure a lot of christian women are reluctant to be with him even if they believe he's been "healed" as he has said
...oh and I love the song too... ----- "Being raped by someone of the same sex doesn't make you gay just like being raped by someone of the opposite sex doesn't make you gay." Why can't he speak for himself. Maybe this is how he feels. You just can't tell someone else how to feel. As far as him not being married. Can you imagine the sexual confusion and lack of trust he must have around people? He was introduced to sex as an 8 year old and in a totally warped manner. It is not going to easy to get over it and have an intimate relationship with a woman or a man. I actually agree with you there. But it sounds like he's got other issues at play here - he's equating a sinful life with homosexuality. He's got a lot to sort out. | |
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DynamicSavior said: laurarichardson said: ----- Why this man was raped by his uncle and cousin. The same uncle raped his sister. It drove him to be shy and withdrawn and drink. He was totally unhappy in that life. If this is the way he feels this it the why he feels. No reason for the gay communinity to go after this guy. He was very brave to come out and tell what happened and his experiences have nothing to do with anybody's else life. I lost respect for a lot of people in the gay communinity when Donnie said he knows people are working overtime to dig up dirt on him. I don't care, raped or not, I don't buy that whole "ex-Christian pray out the gay" bullshit. And on top of THAT, he's telling young men that being the way God made them is a sin, as if they have any choice. If he thinks that's the way to bring young people closer to God, then he is SADLY mistaken. If anything, that'll drive them farther away. Because they'll think to themselves "What kind of loving God would make me gay just so he can hate me?" and NO gay person needs to hear that shit. It doesn't help at all. Fucking closet case bastard. This is why I don't fucking go to church. ----- "I don't care, raped or not, I don't buy that whole "ex-Christian pray out the gay" bullshit. " You don't care that he was raped. Well I guess that pretty much closes this topic. All of Donnie's issue are coming from that rape and all you care about is that he get on the gay agenda. | |
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laurarichardson said: DynamicSavior said: I don't care, raped or not, I don't buy that whole "ex-Christian pray out the gay" bullshit. And on top of THAT, he's telling young men that being the way God made them is a sin, as if they have any choice. If he thinks that's the way to bring young people closer to God, then he is SADLY mistaken. If anything, that'll drive them farther away. Because they'll think to themselves "What kind of loving God would make me gay just so he can hate me?" and NO gay person needs to hear that shit. It doesn't help at all. Fucking closet case bastard. This is why I don't fucking go to church. ----- "I don't care, raped or not, I don't buy that whole "ex-Christian pray out the gay" bullshit. " You don't care that he was raped. Well I guess that pretty much closes this topic. All of Donnie's issue are coming from that rape and all you care about is that he get on the gay agenda.  You had me earlier for half a second...
What is the "gay agenda?" | |
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