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PrintableGaryMF said: ehuffnsd said: and if you read your previous posts you were saying the whole show more or less, and when did 3-4 songs make up the bulk of a 20 song performance? I don't remember the tours or study them as closely as you have, so I'll take your word for now on which songs were synch vs guide etc. although I thought it was more than that that was synche. The songs you mention are the most memorable ones which is probably why I'm left with the impression the tour was "lip synched". I never was trying to say she "never sings live" but that a big part of her "live show" is often not really live (and I would say that doing the biggest hits lip-synched counts as that). I find the whole topic of lip-synching interesting and always try to tell in a live show what parts are live and what is pre recorded. I"m assuming your lists above are from listnening and knowing the songs intimately to be able to tell. but how did you know that Vogue was done 1 way the 1st part of the tour and another way the 2nd? I"m not doubting you, I{m curious as to how you know, and more importantly, why did she change it? I'm very interested in the thought process that artists go through when they make these decisions (if they do!  )>
FOr example, Mariah Carey at one time used to do a combination of vocal guides with live singing, although more recently she does it mostly live (at least on the Charmbracelet tour), but then on some live tv shows it seems like parts of the song are "too exact a copy of hte record" but then other part of the same song are live, and I always wonder why she's doing that when she can clearly do it live if she wants. all shows from Japan and first half of the states has two Madonna's clearly audible. the second half shows do not. If you remember from Truth or Dare she had major throat problems the last part of the tour and since the song is too high for her anyway, it was all lypsynched. In Madonna's cause the ones with the heaviest cherography have the aid to make a fuller sound and so you don't hear the heavy breathing You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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missfee said: the same thing thats up with Mary J. Blige when she sings live...the hoez just can't sing...plain and simple.....
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GaryMF said: WHen does Madonna actually SING live anyway?
I didn't see her first tour, but I think she did sing live, although got bafd reviews. Her other tours like Blonde Ambition, The couploe that came after that, were basially lyp synched (which pissed me off). The one where she learned to play guitar I guess seh was singing but I Didn't see that one either. Personally, I liked her original style of lower register, sligly pitchy style of her eralier years. BUt why does the industry let them get away with this stuff? Remember on MTV when she usd to do Vogue "live" she didn't even BOTHER to pretend to be using a mic. Plus, Mary J is so overrated. Even Chaka Khan said the girl can't sing and needs to get some lessons! When did she say this? I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: GaryMF said: WHen does Madonna actually SING live anyway?
I didn't see her first tour, but I think she did sing live, although got bafd reviews. Her other tours like Blonde Ambition, The couploe that came after that, were basially lyp synched (which pissed me off). The one where she learned to play guitar I guess seh was singing but I Didn't see that one either. Personally, I liked her original style of lower register, sligly pitchy style of her eralier years. BUt why does the industry let them get away with this stuff? Remember on MTV when she usd to do Vogue "live" she didn't even BOTHER to pretend to be using a mic. Plus, Mary J is so overrated. Even Chaka Khan said the girl can't sing and needs to get some lessons! When did she say this? To be honest, I heard about this from my bf and some friends; I can't find the source; my bf is pretty reliable, but I don't know where he read or heard it. I think it was last year  |
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missfee said: the same thing thats up with Mary J. Blige when s
he sings live...the hoez just can't sing...plain and simple..... I don't know about that one...There have been times that MJB has sounded off key and other times where she sounded quite soulful...If you are talking about Mary during her first two album then, yeah, she was hit or miss at times with the vocals...But during the past 5 to 7 years she has gotten exceptionally better (Even music critics have admitted this...) as a singer...Really, comparing Mary's vocals with Madonna is laughable... | |
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murph said: missfee said: the same thing thats up with Mary J. Blige when s
he sings live...the hoez just can't sing...plain and simple..... I don't know about that one...There have been times that MJB has sounded off key and other times where she sounded quite soulful...If you are talking about Mary during her first two album then, yeah, she was hit or miss at times with the vocals...But during the past 5 to 7 years she has gotten exceptionally better (Even music critics have admitted this...) as a singer...Really, comparing Mary's vocals with Madonna is laughable... well they have something in common...like i said, they both sound awful live. Mary J. isn't a soulful singer to me..just a hip hip/r&b singer who my generation seems to love. I like some of her songs, but if really want to listen to a soul singer, i'll pull out the real ones like Aretha, Gladys, Anita, Angela Winbush, Chaka, Valerie Simpson, and Tami Terrell. That's just a handful that I can think of at the moment. Mary J. can't hold a candle to those soulful women... I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Madonnas live vocals are always a bafflement to me. Sometimes i think she sings beautifully, sometimes she sounds awful. I do agree that her singing lessons changed the way she sings live. When she sang from her throat she could acheive the higher squeakier notes of her early pop songs, but only some of the time when her voice was in good condition and the choreography wasn't too heavy.
Since the DWT her voice has had more consitency, but has also lacked a bit of passion of her earlier performances (Oscars 91, The Virgin Tour). Her range is better now, and i think she's a techinically better singer than before (more control of her voice at least), but i think she's also even more affected by dance routines than when she sang from her throat. I guess she will never be the perfect live artist vocally. The Blond ambition tour with a perfect vocal would quite simply be the best pop concert ever done, but only a hand full of those shows ever featured a great vocal from her, and sadly the most famous (Nice) features her worst ever. Comparing her with Mary J is ridiculous. Mary J is a soul singer. Her gig is her singing, Madonnas is not, its the visuals, the performance. I dont really understand why people are demanding of perfection, its not waht live performance is about. You may as well just listen to the record. I happen to think madonna strikes the right balance between pre-record and live. She doesnt lip synch out of lazinness, only when it would seriously be to the detriment of the performance - thats her mentality, not to shy away from singing live. People would complain a lot more if she simply stood there and tried to sing perfectly. | |
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's always some bitches on the Org arguing about Madonna 
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