He has talent, but when did he lose it! I've been paying more attention 2 his stuff (thanks 2 the Ultimate Collection)...he's a genius, but i needs someone 2 edit like Prince needs

He hasn´t lost anything. Mike´s just one of those artist who don´t realease albums one every year like Madonna and stuff. He´s like Sade. (It´s interesting that ppl don´t bother Sade the way they do MJ for not releasing that much stuff) He just comes when he feels he´s ready to present something he believes in. History was a huge success, Invincible not for several reasons and his break since than has been longer for 2 main reasons - his fatherhood AND f*****g allegations. I believe he´s put himself together and release at least one more album. His dignity won´t let him to let his career end with allegations. I believe he will surprise us with more work, let´s be patient, and let him rest for now, he deserves it after all that hell he´s been through.

Let me add one more thing...I actually respect Michael for giving the public break from him. He´snot stupid. He knows that if you are around ALL the time, the public will get sick of you. Also with the notoriety his work gets, ppl would get sick of him very quickly. This way, ppl are just anxious to see him again and I think that could be the reason he managed to be on top for so long. He always comes up with something unforgetable and ppl just can´t wait for him to come back and than when he does, it gets that massive responce.

I'm a closet mj fan since I was 5! I would love to see him release more stuff! Invincible was a very weak album.

Note: I didn't start the thread with the objective of making a mj hate fest!

Never - that muufucka STILL a virgin



Somebody make a poster of The 47 Year Old Virgin

CalhounSq said:

Naa..he lost his virginity when he was 36. At least there is good reason to believe so.

MikeMatronik said:

Eh how old are you now? dont you think its about time to come out of the closet now? well i mean if you still feel uncomfortable about it thats too bad up to you i guess, its a shame tho.

My brother use to be a Mike fan when he was young, but i never was! untill recently but now when his older his embaressed...his a closet i know he likes Mike but doesnt proclaim or anything.

@CalhounSq - Never - that muufucka STILL a virgin LOL

Mentally, MJ probably "lost it" the first time papa Joe layed the smack down.

Talent-wise, can you say he really "lost" that... it's all opinionated. I think MJ and Prince both were chasing some trends in the 90s, but also became both way more personal lyric-wise ("D.S.", "Billy Jack Bitch") which has less appeal than general love songs ("Human Nature", "The Beautiful Ones").

Id say...around 1993

I'm a big fan of Michael's earlier work like Off the Wall and Thriller. Yes, he hasn't released albums that often, but when he has they haven't been as good as his earlier work. He tends to repeat the same kinds of sounds, without moving forward and noticing that music has changed and evolved and you can't keep doing the same thing.
I think part of the problem is his sheltered lifestyle. He doesn't expose himself to different kinds of people, sounds and what is going on out there in the "real world" and is divorced from regular people. You will see that artists that continue to be successful like Madonna, Mariah Carey and Janet are more in touch with the real world and don't like in Neverland type of places, but interact with the rest of the world in general and new musical trends whether through nightclubs or connecting with younger cooler talented producers.

CalhounSq said:

Interesting and i agree. Though some biographies state he fucked Lisa Marie and she bragged to her friends about what a great lay he was.

And the award for most interesting thread goes to the person who started this thread.

That out of the way, I think Michael mentally lost it around the Dangerous era. He had some great advisors (People like Frank DiLeo) and then he cleaned house, got rid of them, basically blaming them for "Bad" not topping "Thriller" saleswise. (Which is just a nutty notion in itself. I mean a goal is nice..but come on.)

Yeah he did the AWESOME "Dangerous" album and the AMAZING HBO concert from the Dangerous tour, which did big numbers for HBO's ratings at the time, but
beyond that, his decisions "on his own" have been kind of off.

Fast forward a decade....When he did LWMJ (With Bashir) with the notion of Bashir following Michael around for that long being a bad idea all together, Michael's "advisors" at the time, didn't even know about it, till it was "too late."

Michael needs to put people around him who are as good as business as he is at dancing. I think he had that with Frank DiLeo. It is a shame he let the man go. From what I've read in Michael biographies..John Branca is also one of Michael's "best advisors." However, Michael fires and re-hires him like he is playing tag.

As far as music wise..I think Michael didn't "lose" it with "Invincible." I think he just put his managers in charge of controlling the album's contents, or he picked weak content, either way, look at the credits of the album's liner notes. It seems more like a Rodney Jenkins album than a Michael Jackson album. It is like he lost the fire in his belly to make good music as one author put it. I mean "Speechless" is a great song, as sappy as some people say it is, it isn't that bad compared to some of the crap on "Invincible." One is left to wonder if Michael really wrote and produced an ENTIRE disc himself, what would happen.

Maybe one day..we will know. Then maybe (and this a big maybe) he will get back to "Bad" sales, and that would be a Thriller for Michael's fans!
[Edited 12/29/05 9:19am]

jayaredee said:

Michael Jackson - The Magic & The Madness by J. Randy Taraborrelli

(A must read for anyone REALLY interested in this thread or Michael's life.)

jayaredee said:

This is the same dude who covered his eyes in fear when Tatum O' Neal tried to bag him and reportedly had to do countless takes for the kissing scene with Iman in the "RTT" video because he was so deathly shy, so I somehow doubt it's true.

jasonstar said:

It is a must-read, but the info ends at about 1989.

CinisterCee said:

It's been updated and now the info ends at 2002 or somewhere around that.

squiddyren said:

Really? I just remember reading that first edition around `91 or so.

Yeah, there's a new updated 2nd version now.

For me the last great moment was when he blasted away on the HBO special. "ladies and gentlement Michael Jackson has left the building"

Didn't he lose it to Tatum O'Neal in the '70s?

RipHer2Shreds said:

Diana Ross?

CinisterCee said:

She lost it before she even had it.

RipHer2Shreds said:

haha no I mean MJ lost it to her

I believe Michael works with the wrong people. If he had an album with the majority of his own creative juices on it, it would be better than what we got from Invincible. He needs some softer grooves, none of that 2000 watts crap. I think I would like Invincible much more if that song was never on there, other than that Invincible is okay with me. Heaven Can Wait, Break of Dawn and Butterflies are great, I wanna hear more stuff lke that...

Talk about science fiction!

dag said:

I agree.

jasonstar said:

oh BITCH PLEEZE

jayaredee said:

I believe that story was planted & paid for - that bitch got some jewels outta that comment

Nah, I know they supposedly fucked - she said it on Oprah It's so hard to believe... HIM... having sex with an actual woman... DAMN, I wonder if she was drinking around that time?

Michael will never fully lose it as long as he has the millions to hire talented producers who will work for years on his songs.

vainandy said:

Lisa Marie said so herself that they had "Sex" wow like its so hard to believe right? well i guess he aint a saint afterall you gona make excuses she lied now? she said if she wasnt "satisfied with the sex" she wouldnt have married him, this chick at he age of 4 use to stick plastic dolls in the center. And btw her "own people" set up the marriage, one of them was her ex-husbands brother which was present