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PrintableDiamondGirl said: jasonstar said: Believe me murph..I do want Michael to get help. For a shitty childhood to some degree, for his various addictions to painkillers, and for his need to buy friends and family. However, I don't think he needs help for something I don't believe he did and the court system didn't believe he did either. All there is to it. So you see nothing wrong with a grown man sleeping with boys on the regular. Peter Pan-ish or not? Just needing help with his "shitty childhood" that he has lived over as a good once like 3 times now. Now you are twisting it around. I didn't say it was cool. I just said sometimes it does happen and it isn't sexual. Just cus I point out a fact does not mean I condone it. There is a difference. First Michael is a child molester for hanging out with some kids, and now I see nothing wrong with adults sleeping with boys just cus I point out - it does happen and isn't always sexual. I'm done playing this game  | |
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What parents would accept money from a man, if there child said that man molested him and he could describe the man's penis? | |
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This convo has not changed my views on Michael Jackson and I'm not even sure what this thread was originally about, so I'm done. | |
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MichaelsLight said: What parents would accept money from a man, if there child said that man molested him and he could describe the man's penis?
Two wrongs don't make a right...Some parents are just greedy fuckers who put money ahead of their child's welfare...And there is the point of not wanting to drag out a child molestation case which could have a damning effect on a kid still going to school...That's logical, if this is the case.... [Edited 12/20/05 22:33pm] | |
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MichaelsLight said: DiamondGirl said: Jesus himself could bring something to the table at this point and you'd still be metaphorically letting doves fly. Brace for ignorance? You realy really have nerve. My point about MJ's fans stands even moreso. You seemed to be only concerned with his fans, just my observation... Well you seem to be only concerned with Michaels well being with no regard to the children sleepin with him. I just re-read where you said that you were 16. Now I understand. | |
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MichaelsLight said: What parents would accept money from a man, if there child said that man molested him and he could describe the man's penis?
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MichaelsLight said: This convo has not changed my views on Michael Jackson and I'm not even sure what this thread was originally about, so I'm done.
Just having a discussion that's all...And with that, we can just end it right there, because I think your age is blocking a serious discussion... [Edited 12/20/05 22:32pm] | |
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DiamondGirl said: MichaelsLight said: You seemed to be only concerned with his fans, just my observation... Well you seem to be only concerned with Michaels well being with no regard to the children sleepin with him. I just re-read where you said that you were 16. Now I understand. And you seem to be only concerned about knocking Michael and making him be guilty. Look..face the facts the DA brought this case to trial and even incoperated the 93 case the best he could. Believe me no one wanted to fry Michael more than Sneddon did. And he lost. The boy from 93 was to much of a coward to come face Michael. Why do you think that is? Because he probably knows he is full of bs. Regardless of you want to believe..the fact is Michael Jackson was found NOT GUILTY 10X. That means the jury had 10 possible chances to punish Michael for one thing or another. This wasn't a one charge trial. Did you like OD on Nancy Grace's show and Diane Dimond's new book or something?  | |
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murph said: MichaelsLight said: This convo has not changed my views on Michael Jackson and I'm not even sure what this thread was originally about, so I'm done.
Just having a discussion that's all...And with that, we can just end it right there, because I think your age is blocking a serious discussion... [Edited 12/20/05 22:32pm] You might be right..but wait..Maybe the age is preventing MichaelsLight from being cynical and assuming the worst.  | |
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jasonstar said: DiamondGirl said: Well you seem to be only concerned with Michaels well being with no regard to the children sleepin with him. I just re-read where you said that you were 16. Now I understand. And you seem to be only concerned about knocking Michael and making him be guilty. Look..face the facts the DA brought this case to trial and even incoperated the 93 case the best he could. Believe me no one wanted to fry Michael more than Sneddon did. And he lost. The boy from 93 was to much of a coward to come face Michael. Why do you think that is? Because he probably knows he is full of bs. Regardless of you want to believe..the fact is Michael Jackson was found NOT GUILTY 10X. That means the jury had 10 possible chances to punish Michael for one thing or another. This wasn't a one charge trial. Did you like OD on Nancy Grace's show and Diane Dimond's new book or something? This has nothing to do with "x 10" claptrap. It has to do with although found not guilty, there is some issues he needs to deal with with being attracted to having young boys sleep over. Period. You dont see that? Many many people can find ways to aid the world and plight of children without having them sleep in their own bed, bedroom, or have these close close "relationships" with them. It isn't healthy either way. Seriously, please tell me you see this and are not seriously just hanging onto a "you want MJ guilty dont you!?" stance. . [Edited 12/20/05 22:42pm] | |
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jasonstar said: DiamondGirl said: Well you seem to be only concerned with Michaels well being with no regard to the children sleepin with him. I just re-read where you said that you were 16. Now I understand. And you seem to be only concerned about knocking Michael and making him be guilty. Look..face the facts the DA brought this case to trial and even incoperated the 93 case the best he could. Believe me no one wanted to fry Michael more than Sneddon did. And he lost. The boy from 93 was to much of a coward to come face Michael. Why do you think that is? Because he probably knows he is full of bs. Regardless of you want to believe..the fact is Michael Jackson was found NOT GUILTY 10X. That means the jury had 10 possible chances to punish Michael for one thing or another. This wasn't a one charge trial. Did you like OD on Nancy Grace's show and Diane Dimond's new book or something? Okay, I have to say this....Your support is going too far...Let's not start bringing Diane Diomand and Nancy Grace into this; If you want to support MJ because you have love for the man, that's one thing; But please don't try to insinuate that people are down on MJ because of what some hack pundits and journalists have to say...seriously dog, I respected your point more when you seemed like a young, naive, impressionable fan who had a real love for MJ... | |
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jasonstar said: murph said: Just having a discussion that's all...And with that, we can just end it right there, because I think your age is blocking a serious discussion... [Edited 12/20/05 22:32pm] You might be right..but wait..Maybe the age is preventing MichaelsLight from being cynical and assuming the worst. LOL...Last word...peace... | |
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DiamondGirl said: Thuis has nothing to do with "x 10" claptrap. It has to do with although found not guilty, there is some issues he needs to deal with with being attracted to having young boys sleep over. Period. You dont see that? Many many people can find ways to aid the world and plight of children without having them sleep in their own bed, bedroom, or have these close close "relationships" with them. It isn't healthy either way. Seriously, please tell me you see this and are not seriously just be hanging onto a "you want MJ guilty dont you!?" stance. As I recall from LWMJ..Gavin said he asked Michael if he could sleep in Michael's bed. Michael told him to ask his Mom. Michael slept on the floor. And he slept in Michael's bed. Maybe the real question you should be asking is, What kind of a Mother would allow that? An unfit one - yes that is prima facia. But I think when we really think about this..we discover..it is someone who trusts Michael and thinks he would never harm their child. Funny how when the possibilty of money comes into it, along with a vengeful DA, Michael goes from being a healer to the devil.  | |
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jasonstar said: DiamondGirl said: Thuis has nothing to do with "x 10" claptrap. It has to do with although found not guilty, there is some issues he needs to deal with with being attracted to having young boys sleep over. Period. You dont see that? Many many people can find ways to aid the world and plight of children without having them sleep in their own bed, bedroom, or have these close close "relationships" with them. It isn't healthy either way. Seriously, please tell me you see this and are not seriously just be hanging onto a "you want MJ guilty dont you!?" stance. As I recall from LWMJ..Gavin said he asked Michael if he could sleep in Michael's bed. Michael told him to ask his Mom. Michael slept on the floor. And he slept in Michael's bed. Maybe the real question you should be asking is, What kind of a Mother would allow that? An unfit one - yes that is prima facia. But I think when we really think about this..we discover..it is someone who trusts Michael and thinks he would never harm their child. Funny how when the possibilty of money comes into it, along with a vengeful DA, Michael goes from being a healer to the devil. For the last time, nobody is disputing that the accusers were dubious characters themselves. But regardless, MJ's penchant for having underage boys as constant companions and sleeping partners is still immoral, unfit, and ultimately a sick behavior that needs treatment. | |
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DiamondGirl said: jasonstar said: As I recall from LWMJ..Gavin said he asked Michael if he could sleep in Michael's bed. Michael told him to ask his Mom. Michael slept on the floor. And he slept in Michael's bed. Maybe the real question you should be asking is, What kind of a Mother would allow that? An unfit one - yes that is prima facia. But I think when we really think about this..we discover..it is someone who trusts Michael and thinks he would never harm their child. Funny how when the possibilty of money comes into it, along with a vengeful DA, Michael goes from being a healer to the devil. For the last time, nobody is disputing that the accusers were dubious characters themselves. But regardless, MJ's penchant for having underage boys as constant companions and sleeping partners is still immoral, unfit, and ultimately a sick behavior that needs treatment. Wow..maybe I am tired but I agree with you to some degree. I think it is unfit and strange and I'd rather see him with people his own age, but I'd also like to see Prince release all the b-side songs from the Batman soundtrack. It doesn't mean either will happen so it is hopeless to wish for them (IMO.) | |
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jasonstar said: DiamondGirl said: For the last time, nobody is disputing that the accusers were dubious characters themselves. But regardless, MJ's penchant for having underage boys as constant companions and sleeping partners is still immoral, unfit, and ultimately a sick behavior that needs treatment. Wow..maybe I am tired but I agree with you to some degree. I think it is unfit and strange and I'd rather see him with people his own age, but I'd also like to see Prince release all the b-side songs from the Batman soundtrack. It doesn't mean either will happen so it is hopeless to wish for them (IMO.) I cant believe that you are comparing borderline pedophilia-like tendencies with Prince relasing b-fucking-sides. And then to feel "it's never going to happen so why bother" attitude. 
Some MJ fans are certifiable. | |
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murph said: MichaelsLight said: This convo has not changed my views on Michael Jackson and I'm not even sure what this thread was originally about, so I'm done.
Just having a discussion that's all...And with that, we can just end it right there, because I think your age is blocking a serious discussion... [Edited 12/20/05 22:32pm] I'm sorry but what did I say that was so juvenile that it was disrupting the discussion? | |
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Maybe he could sell the kids over to Debbie to cover at least some of the money that he owes?  | |
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 Is this true in the first place?"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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jasonstar said: P.S.
I wasn't the person with the doves but I was at Santa Maria supporting Michael this past summer. HOLY FUCK!!!  What I would give for you to be the bitch w/ the doves!!!!
 
Look how HAPPY this broad is!!!  DAMN she needs an ass whoopin' 
All y'all should'a had your punk asses @ WORK!!!  Cryin' muufuckas w/ doves & shit... LAWD!
doveshitedit [Edited 12/21/05 5:02am]   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: jasonstar said: P.S.
I wasn't the person with the doves but I was at Santa Maria supporting Michael this past summer. HOLY FUCK!!! What I would give for you to be the bitch w/ the doves!!!!
Look how HAPPY this broad is!!! DAMN she needs an ass whoopin'
All y'all should'a had your punk asses @ WORK!!! Cryin' muufuckas w/ doves & shit... LAWD!
doveshitedit [Edited 12/21/05 5:02am]
LMAO! I love you. | |
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A woman releasing doves!!! Oh My God she's fucking crazy, put her in a straight jacket right away!!! | |
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MichaelsLight said: A woman releasing doves!!! Oh My God she's fucking crazy, put her in a straight jacket right away!!!
You obviously don't get it. Which is funny, a shame, and scary all at the same time. | |
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I get it, it's just not that funny to me. Sorry I can't join in the laughter... | |
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MichaelsLight said: I get it, it's just not that funny to me. Sorry I can't join in the laughter...
And sorry, some of us cant get into the jubilant celebration of dove throwing of "x 10" | |
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DiamondGirl said: And sorry, some of us cant get into the jubilant celebration of dove throwing of "x 10" No need to be sorry, I can't get into it either. I guess this is where the line different strokes for different folks comes into play... | |
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Marrk said: Janfriend said: I don't get why he just won't let her see the kids
He probably figures she's an unfit mother. her womb was for hire. sounds harsh but it's the truth. Lets remember who hired her womb instead of adopting like a normal person. MJ chose this woman twice to mother his children yet MJ fans love to paint her as a money mad whore. If she is such a horrible person it just shows what a poor judge of character MJ is that he would pick such a morally corrupt woman to be the birthmother to 2 of his children. Maybe he was attracted to a woman with no moral values because he has no moral values. Judge MJ by the company he keeps. A woman who will sell their children. A porno producer. Welfare thieves. | |
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thedoorkeeper said: Marrk said: He probably figures she's an unfit mother. her womb was for hire. sounds harsh but it's the truth. Lets remember who hired her womb instead of adopting like a normal person. MJ chose this woman twice to mother his children yet MJ fans love to paint her as a money mad whore. If she is such a horrible person it just shows what a poor judge of character MJ is that he would pick such a morally corrupt woman to be the birthmother to 2 of his children. Maybe he was attracted to a woman with no moral values because he has no moral values. Judge MJ by the company he keeps. A woman who will sell their children. A porno producer. Welfare thieves. | |
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I don't think Debbie Rowe is a bad person, or at least I've never heard anything really bad about her. I don't understand this situation at all, if there his kids "legally" what can she do about it? | |
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thedoorkeeper said: Marrk said: He probably figures she's an unfit mother. her womb was for hire. sounds harsh but it's the truth. Lets remember who hired her womb instead of adopting like a normal person. MJ chose this woman twice to mother his children yet MJ fans love to paint her as a money mad whore. If she is such a horrible person it just shows what a poor judge of character MJ is that he would pick such a morally corrupt woman to be the birthmother to 2 of his children. Maybe he was attracted to a woman with no moral values because he has no moral values. Judge MJ by the company he keeps. A woman who will sell their children. A porno producer. Welfare thieves.  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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