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PrintableJanfriend said: jasonstar said: Except Norman didn't get a NOT GUILTY veridct TEN TIMES. He fled and never faced the trial. Michael faced a trial and was voted TEN TIMES NOT GUILTY. Let it go and enjoy the jams  Norman? You mean Roman yeah...who th' hell's norman? 
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"Abduction"? Doesn't MJ have full custody?  | |
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CinisterCee said: "Abduction"? Doesn't MJ have full custody?
coulda sworn he did, but then again...who knows?  | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: CinisterCee said: "Abduction"? Doesn't MJ have full custody?
coulda sworn he did, but then again...who knows? Good point except I think when it comes down to it..the kids might "legally" be his..but I think most people realize they aren't "his kids." I think he just adopted them. And it seems like whatever Debbie wants within reason of seeing the kids, she gets. I think Michael might have slipped up on paying her monthly allowance, and so we get this crap.  [Edited 12/20/05 17:51pm] | |
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jasonstar said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: coulda sworn he did, but then again...who knows? Good point except I think when it comes down to it..the kids might "legally" be his..but I think most people realize they aren't "his kids." I think he just adopted them. And it seems like whatever Debbie wants within reason of seeing the kids, she gets. I think Michael might have slipped up on paying her monthly allowance, and so we get this crap.
[Edited 12/20/05 17:51pm] wha? allowance, as in child support? | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: jasonstar said: Good point except I think when it comes down to it..the kids might "legally" be his..but I think most people realize they aren't "his kids." I think he just adopted them. And it seems like whatever Debbie wants within reason of seeing the kids, she gets. I think Michael might have slipped up on paying her monthly allowance, and so we get this crap.
[Edited 12/20/05 17:51pm] wha? allowance, as in child support? As much as we disagree, believe it or not, I actually enjoy this kind of a discussion as opposed to Michael drones talking about how "sexy" he was in Thriller era and all that... 
That being said, allowance, not child support. It was agreeded between both of them that Michael would pay her a certain amount of each month for being married to him. That isn't child support. Or at least not what I would consider child support. I stand behind my claim she needs to give up on these kids and just find a new man and have a new family with him. Chances are it would be a lot more normal then chasing after Michael and his entourage. If Michael wanted her in the know, he would pick up the phone and call her. And all that crap about her being the Mom, is BS. It takes more then giving birth to a child to be a Mother. To be a real parent in my book..you gotta be there for the kids. She didn't care a dime about seeing them in 97,98,99,99,2000,2001,2002,2003..and now all of the sudden she wants to play righteous Mother. Ugh..start a new family Debbie. Spare us all some time. [Edited 12/20/05 18:05pm] | |
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jasonstar said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: wha? allowance, as in child support? As much as we disagree, believe it or not, I actually enjoy this kind of a discussion as opposed to Michael drones talking about how "sexy" he was in Thriller era and all that...
That being said, allowance, not child support. It was agreeded between both of them that Michael would pay her a certain amount of each month for being married to him. That isn't child support. Or at least not what I would consider child support. I stand behind my claim she needs to give up on these kids and just find a new man and have a new family with him. Chances are it would be a lot more normal then chasing after Michael and his entourage. If Michael wanted her in the know, he would pick up the phone and call her. And all that crap about her being the Mom, is BS. It takes more then giving birth to a child to be a Mother. To be a real parent in my book..you gotta be there for the kids. She didn't care a dime about seeing them in 97,98,99,99,2000,2001,2002,2003..and now all of the sudden she wants to play righteous Mother. Ugh..start a new family Debbie. Spare us all some time. [Edited 12/20/05 18:05pm] allowance...th' fuck, as if she's some little kid...?  | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: michael jackson's the new roman polanski, far as i'm concerned. debbie got a lotta nerve, wanting the kids now instead of perhaps asking about custody and such before mikey went overseas.
 You stun me with your logic...I mean right?Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: jasonstar said: Good point except I think when it comes down to it..the kids might "legally" be his..but I think most people realize they aren't "his kids." I think he just adopted them. And it seems like whatever Debbie wants within reason of seeing the kids, she gets. I think Michael might have slipped up on paying her monthly allowance, and so we get this crap.
[Edited 12/20/05 17:51pm] wha? allowance, as in child support? As in "shut yo trap and let me keep the kids" allowance. I am sure she has a few stories to tell. I know lies all lies.Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: wha? allowance, as in child support? As in "shut yo trap and let me keep the kids" allowance. I am sure she has a few stories to tell. oh lawd, yeah... 
I know lies
all lies.*waits for the hardcore mikey crew to pipe up* | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said:[quote] superspaceboy said: oh lawd, yeah...
I know lies
all lies.*waits for the hardcore mikey crew to pipe up* Question) If Michael was such a bad parent and Debbie deserves the kids, why didn't she take the action needed at the trial? Why not tell the DA and The Jury what a horrible man he was? Answer) Because Michael isn't this bad guy and the only reasons she wants the kids is because she won't just move on. Talk about a scorned woman. Beyond her being scorned..all three of Michael's kids were interviewed for something around the time of the trial and Paris and Prince both said how great of a Dad he was. Now if you want to be cynical and assume he rehearsed this with them, you go ahead and think that. But look out..the truth might be that he is a good Dad and Debbie is a scorned woman who needs to move the fuck on. [Edited 12/20/05 18:42pm] | |
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"Norman"  | |
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DiamondGirl said: "Norman"
Not Guilty x 10 | |
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jasonstar said: DiamondGirl said: "Norman"
Not Guilty x 10  | |
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Thriller81 said: Well, thank Harvey Levin and TMZ for this "nightmarish soap opera", whatever the hell that means. This is suppose to be a private matter that got leaked to the public. Just like the custody issue with other celebrities are private, like that Baldwin guy and Kim Basinger is private, so is this, but because it involves Michael Jackson, it has to be released to the public and blown up to some big time drama.
Yeah, but MJ's custody issues dwarfs anything that any other celebrity can come up with....Unfortunately, the man is a walking punchline; he breaks the mode when it comes to celebrity weirdness... | |
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jasonstar said: DiamondGirl said: "Norman"
Not Guilty x 10 Were you the one with the doves at the trial (LOL)? | |
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murph said: jasonstar said: Not Guilty x 10 Were you the one with the doves at the trial (LOL)? | |
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DiamondGirl said: murph said: Were you the one with the doves at the trial (LOL)? co- | |
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Not Guilty x 10
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MichaelsLight said: Not Guilty x 10
creepazoid x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...say whatcha want to defend yer boy, but the dude's still fuck'd regardless. | |
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BSK3478 said: MichaelsLight said: creepazoid x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...say whatcha want to defend yer boy, but the dude's still fuck'd regardless. Someone stated a FACT and I clapped, what's the problem? | |
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MichaelsLight said: BSK3478 said: creepazoid x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...say whatcha want to defend yer boy, but the dude's still fuck'd regardless. Someone stated a FACT and I clapped, what's the problem? the fact is that dude's a creep. don' matter if he got off, a creep is still a creep regardless. | |
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MichaelsLight said: BSK3478 said: creepazoid x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...say whatcha want to defend yer boy, but the dude's still fuck'd regardless. Someone stated a FACT and I clapped, what's the problem? Okay, the kid gloves are off (LOL)...Seriously, the hardcore fans beating on their chest about MJ being not-guilty is like someone cheering on their alcoholic uncle because he walked a straight line when he was pulled over for drunk driving...Come on guys, it's one thing to love Mike's music; it's quite another to become an enabler of the man...I don't need a judge to tell me that MJ has a serious problem...I think if you guys were true MJ fans you would be honest about the situation and would want to see him get some help...It's obvious that Mike has an infactuation with little boys; And before you go on with that, "the media is responsible" shit and the "you just hate MJ" crap, that's not the case...I'm an MJ fan from way back...I was the kid that was pissed in 1982 because I couldn't get the Beat It jacket....I just think people need to be honest with themselves...I love MJ...I want to see the man get some help...To me his ride-or-die fans unyielding support is a bit disturbing... [Edited 12/20/05 20:16pm] | |
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BSK3478 said: MichaelsLight said: Someone stated a FACT and I clapped, what's the problem? the fact is that dude's a creep. don' matter if he got off, a creep is still a creep regardless. Well, I don't believe he's a creep, soo Not Guilty 10x
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murph said: MichaelsLight said: Someone stated a FACT and I clapped, what's the problem? Okay, the kid gloves are off (LOL)...Seriously, the hardcore fans beating on their chest about MJ being not-guilty is like someone cheering on their alcoholic uncle because he walked a straight line when he was pulled over for drunk driving...Come on guys, it's one thing to love Mike's music; it's quite another to become an enabler of the man...I don't need a judge to tell me that MJ has a serious problem...I think if you guys were true MJ fans you would be honest about the situation and would want to see him get some help...It's obvious that Mike has an infactuation with little boys; And before you go on with that, "the media is responsible" shit and the "you just hate MJ" crap, that's not the case...I'm an MJ fan from way back...I was the kid that was pissed in 1982 because I couldn't get the Beat It jacket....I just think people need to be honest with themselves...To me his ride-or-die fans unyielding support is a bit disturbing... and there it is. | |
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murph said: MichaelsLight said: Someone stated a FACT and I clapped, what's the problem? Okay, the kid gloves are off (LOL)...Seriously, the hardcore fans beating on their chest about MJ being not-guilty is like someone cheering on their alcoholic uncle because he walked a straight line when he was pulled over for drunk driving...Come on guys, it's one thing to love Mike's music; it's quite another to become an enabler of the man...I don't need a judge to tell me that MJ has a serious problem...I think if you guys were true MJ fans you would be honest about the situation and would want to see him get some help...It's obvious that Mike has an infactuation with little boys; And before you go on with that, "the media is responsible" shit and the "you just hate MJ" crap, that's not the case...I'm an MJ fan from way back...I was the kid that was pissed in 1982 because I couldn't get the Beat It jacket....I just think people need to be honest with themselves...To me his ride-or-die fans unyielding support is a bit disturbing... I believe Michael has a problem (pills,wine) and I hope he gets help with that. But I honestly don't believe he's a child molester. I'm not secretly thinking he did it inside but since I love him so much I'll just ignore. If I thought he did it or has an infactuation with little boys I'm 100% positive I wouldn't beat my chest for him. So until I beleive such things, I'll still beat my chest for Michael Jackson...
Whether you or anybody else has a problem with it | |
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MichaelsLight said: I believe Michael has a problem (pills,wine) and I hope he gets help with that. But I honestly don't believe he's a child molester. I'm not secretly thinking he did it inside but since I love him so much I'll just ignore. If I thought he did it or has an infactuation with little boys I'm 100% positive I wouldn't beat my chest for him. So until I beleive such things, I'll still beat my chest for Michael Jackson...
Whether you or anybody else has a problem with it Okay...if I was MJ I would definitely want you as a fan....You are a very supportive cat...But ask yourself a question: How many young boys will scream out "molestation" before you come to terms with the unsettling thought that MJ indeed may have a serious problem? I can understand supporting him the first time; that was a complete shock, and even I had a hard time believing MJ could do something like that...But come on...There's been too many accounts and too many trials and sercret pay offs...If you call yourself a true fan, don't you think you would have the man's best interests? I find that a lot of MJ's more hardcore fans are in a state of arrested development...Just think with your head and not with your heart [Edited 12/20/05 20:49pm] | |
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I could never really know what happened. I need serious evidence to believe any of these "boys screaming molest". There are alot of evil people out there. And yes it certainly looks bad because people keep accusing Michael, but I just don't believe it. I haven't plugged my ears to all the news reports, I just listen and decide for myself, that's all I can do. It's not, oh Michael Jackson said it or Nancy Grace said it, so it must be true with me. I form my own opinons from what I see and hear and my opinon so far is that he didn't do it. If people can't understand that, there's no other way I can put it... | |
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MichaelsLight said: I could never really know what happened. I need serious evidence to believe any of these "boys screaming molest". There are alot of evil people out there. And yes it certainly looks bad because people keep accusing Michael, but I just don't believe it. I haven't plugged my ears to all the news reports, I just listen and decide for myself, that's all I can do. It's not, oh Michael Jackson said it or Nancy Grace said it, so it must be true with me. I form my own opinons from what I see and hear and my opinon so far is that he didn't do it. If people can't understand that, there's no other way I can put it...
I'm glad we can have a respectful dialogue about this...I believe this is how it should be done...To get back to our discussion, I believe that people should have their day in court; But!!!!! I believe we are all allowed one benefit of the doubt...MJ has had three or four...Just for the record, I would like to know how old are you? I think that may have something to do with your undying belief in MJ's innocence.... There's no way of getting around it...When you see a 45 year old man on TV holding the hand of a barely teenage boy, it's a warning sign...I don't need Nancy Grace to tell me that...She never had love for MJ; She didn't go to the Triumph tour; She didn't dance in her room like a maniac to Thriller; She didn't watch tapes of Motown 25 and Thriller so much that she had the moves memorized to a T; I did...That's why I care... | |
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Just my two cents... [Edited 12/20/05 21:18pm] | |
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