970,000 in the U.S. I know both Velvet Rope and All For You ended up scoring 3 million apiece. Ouch!

Does anyone know what the worldwide figures were like? I heard it only hit #32 in the UK for example and that it hasn't even hit two million worldwide. If either of those are true that's really sad for Jan.

lets remind all Madge fans (myself included) that American Life only sold 750k so saying Janet's 'over' must mean Madonna is too.

And it's 979,000 And, yes, the album has passed 2 million worldwide.

Next thing you know we'll have "DID YOU KNOW GLITTER ONLY SOLD 650,000 COPIES? " thread.
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VoicesCarry said:

oh wait an extra nine thousand people? nevermind...shit her career's on FIRE

yeah but does anyone know about WORLDWIDE? that ain't old news.

badujunkie said:

I'm just saying, if you're going to get the figures right, get 'em right. Don't use February's figures. Yes, international is OLD NEWS. This album hasn't been selling for the past year now.

Consumers can't choose for themselves, and she was extra unpopular with media the last go 'round.

VoicesCarry said:

i know but im honestly asking does anyone KNOW worldwide figures for the album and it it truly sold under 2 mil? do you know mr. janet man?

badujunkie said:

Uh, already answered like 4 posts up?

yay, invincible sold more. Not that it really matters a damn.

CinisterCee said:[quote]Consumers can't choose for themselves, and she was extra unpopular with media the last go 'round.[/quote

consumers can't choose for themselves? huh? im not sure what you mean.

i think it could be that she's just over. judging by the fact that the international audience doesn't even seem to care (superstar acts usually still do well overseas even when they bomb in the US--MJ, Madonna, Mariah, etc).
believe me, i'd love for her to be popular as ever and i'm a huge fan and i hope i'm wrong.

badujunkie said:

I have a sneaking suspicion the entire point of this thread was to rag on the fact that international figures weren't up to par?

Your first post: "Lets remind all Madge fans (myself included) that American Life only sold 750k so saying Janet's 'over' must mean Madonna is too."

And now? "i think it could be that she's just over. judging by the fact that the international audience doesn't even seem to care (superstar acts usually still do well overseas even when they bomb in the US--MJ, Madonna, Mariah, etc)."

So which is it, budu? Glitter was a WORLDWIDE catastrophe, much worse than DJ, and look what Mariah has managed. One album didn't do so hot and now she's "over". Um, okay, then. You DO realize that Janet has always focused on the US market, unlike Madonna, who is now aligning herself more with Europe and other foreign markets.

badujunkie said:[quote]

CinisterCee said:

janet did do badly over here (UK) indeed. Still got publicity mind u. Didn't help that the "just a little while" video was so goddamn shit.

thesexofit said:[quote]

badujunkie said:

Yeah, they shot it in a day without any prep because the track leaked and they had to go with it.

VoicesCarry said:

Really? Shame as i like the song ok. The guitars are cool.

thesexofit said:

The "oh-fuck-what-do-we-do-now" mentality took over after the SB backlash. Virgin fucked it up just like they fucked Glitter up. All they had to do was delay the release. Instead they rushed the final product to stores. The final tracklisting was NOT what had originally been intended (pre-SB) - and tracks from the original release Janet intended are still leaking to this day. For example, Janet had a great dance track called "Speed It Up" that was used during the SB audition for dancer auditions, but when the project was rushed, the tracklisting came together as a patchwork of what Virgin wanted, not her (the original lineup was scrapped). If her heart wasn't in it during the promotional efforts, that's probably the main reason why.
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VoicesCarry said:

she pushed "just a little while" like she normally would over here. (various tv performances). Our papers commented on how demented americans were being over the "scandal"

It must of been top 10 in UK?

thesexofit said:

No, it only made #15. And Janet looked really depressed for most of the promotional tours. Yeah, she did them, but in a very perfunctory manner. She knew there was no point. MTV banned her, anyway. I think the fact that she still managed to shift almost a million units in the US speaks a lot about her popularity. American Life did similarly well considering the anti-war stance Madonna had at a time when it was unpopular to be anti-war.
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VoicesCarry said:

you still havent answered my question??? do you know worldwide figures?

i swear you're reading into it too much. i love janet and madonna equally. LOVE LOVE LOVE janet but it really seems like mainstream popular culture is just over her in a way that Mariah and Madonna have never been 'over.' im saying i hope she isnt but...she might be.

and i'm curious what her original tracklisting and lineup for the album would have been. "put your hands on" is amazing. so i bet she had some great material that we'll never hear.

and i can't believe she's gonna be 40 next year. Cher, Madonna, Tina...I can handle them all being old. but janet? cute sexy janet? 40?!

badujunkie said:

I said the album had passed 2 million worldwide about 10 posts up.

And anyone who starts a thread and says, "don't say she's over", then proceeds to say she's "over" for exactly the same reasons you could have cited 2 years ago for Madonna and 4 years ago for Mariah Carey is really coming across as a hater. But I suppose until Janet proves everyone wrong like the other two did, you'll say "she might be".
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oh shit i so missed the 2 million. that makes me feel better that she's done that well.

im so far from a janet hater that you don't even know. i honestly 1) wondered about international numbers and 2) said i worried she might be done with her career. part of loving someone is being realistic. and i always love me some janet. we should start another senseless janet pic thread.

As for the original tracklisting, no one knows, but there is a ton of stuff that's been shelved. Songs like "Ruff" and "Speed It Up" are known, but there's a ton of stuff she did with Rich Harrison & Jimmy & Terry that was rejected for the final cut. Most of this will never see the light of day, since I think she wants to leave DJ behind her. You can hear a 30-second clip of "Speed It Up" on a bootleg video of her dancer auditions. Sounds hot!

badujunkie said:

I'm realistic - and considering both Madonna and Mariah came back from bigger messes to triumph, I think it's realistic to say she will too. All she needs is one hot track - that's all you ever need. Like Madge & Mariah, she's going back to her roots for the new one.

I thought the album was at 3 mill worldwide?

ABeautifulOne said:

Last I heard was 2 million. Could be. Virgin does not really keep us up to date on sales stats, but that was the confirmed number as of a year ago.

VoicesCarry said:

The psychopaths at her forums constantly bicker over the numbers everyday, so nobody really knows of the numbers

ABeautifulOne said:

The 2 million came from an EMI press release. The last time Virgin confirmed worldwide numbers for TVR was in November, 1998, when it was at 7 million. They never confirm sales after about a year of release. So another million is possible (estimates have TVR now at about 8.25 million).
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VoicesCarry said:

i dont think anything was a 'bigger mess' than the superbowl fiasco which ignited the entire FCC crackdown and affected people like Howard Stern as a result. people really hated her for that. that on top of MJ's trial (which DOES affect her by association) and the fact that she hasn't had a major hit since 2001 AND all the horribly unflattering pictures of her in the press and online...i don't know that madonna or mariah have ever been that far down.

VoicesCarry said:

im so glad to know my fave album of all time did THAT well! yeah!

badujunkie said:

Mariah's 2-month mental breakdown and with lower sales and the fact that she became a complete fucking laughing stock with an absolutely atrocious first single is not a bigger mess? Please. Of the 3 women, she had the most to gain from a comeback.

And how does "she hasn't had a major hit since 2001" matter? Well, yeah, that's the last album she made before DJ and it was a MAJOR HIT. So duh.

Horribly unflattering pics? These have been around since the beginning of celebrity, for both Madonna and Mariah as well. Also I think she looks GREAT, she just gained weight. She still looks young and fresh and happy without makeup.

MJ's trial did NOT affect her biggest-selling album EVER (janet.).
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VoicesCarry said:

yeah but she has her youth on her side more than janet and had the mild success of 'charmbracelet' to tide her over a little. right now i feel that the average person sees janet as a joke who bared her almost 40 year old breast on superbowl sunday and had her crazy brother on trial for diddling little boys. not that i agree with that point of view at all...just my (humble) opinion.