Anxiety said:

Madonna has never played anything but a tiny piano thingy on her collab with Prince and the cow bell on Holiday. Not a note on her other albums. Check the liner notes and various interviews.

GangstaFam said:

that's right! mirwais produced MANY brilliant tracks for Madonna in only 5 years.


Music
Impressive Instant
Nobody's Perfect
Paradise
Nobody Knows Me
Hollywood
Easy Ride
Future Lovers

im with ya

GangstaFam said:

that's right! mirwais produced MANY brilliant tracks for Madonna in only 5 years.


Music
Impressive Instant
Nobody's Perfect
Paradise
Nobody Knows Me
Hollywood
Easy Ride
Future Lovers

im with ya

badujunkie said:

Dont Tell Me
I Deserve It
Mother & Father

These are probably my favourite collaborations between the two. M&F should have been the best track on AL. It just wasn't quite.....LOUD enough. I still love it though.

I actually really like Forbidden Love off the new album. I think the chorus soars just like french disco should. Future Lovers is a cool song too.

For the record though - I AM glad she's stopped using him as her main collaborator. New ideas, Madonna is always best when she moves onto the next guy..

Stephen Bray - Into The Groove
Pat Leonard - Live To Tell
Shep Pettibone - Vogue
Dallas Austin - Secret
William Orbit - Frozen, Ray Of Light
Mirwais - Music
Stuart Price - Hung Up

"Madonna is always best when she moves on to the next guy"


which brings up the inevitable question: should she work with Stuart Price on her next album?

I'm enjoying COADF tremendously,and I'm not sure I want her to "move on" just yet.

GangstaFam said:

that's right! mirwais produced MANY brilliant tracks for Madonna in only 5 years.


Music
Impressive Instant
Nobody's Perfect
Paradise
Nobody Knows Me
Hollywood
Easy Ride
Future Lovers

im with ya

"Madonna is always best when she moves on to the next guy"


which brings up the inevitable question: should she work with Stuart Price on her next album?

I'm enjoying COADF tremendously,and I'm not sure I want her to "move on" just yet.

badujunkie said:

Wasn't Paradise a William Orbit Song?

DavidEye said:

Personally I think SP wasn't exactly the best choice for this record. It really needed someone with more musical ability to "fill in the spaces". BT would have been a good choice.

superspaceboy said:

Yes, the production is bland-ass on this record, with the exception of a few tracks. Everything runs together into one long-running pastiche. That's what you get when you hire a remixer by trade, though.
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If it was...many would not be liking it as much as they are.I'd say the production is very simple...almost held back and very homogenous. I almost think she purposefully toned the album way down. You can hear elements buried deep in songs like Hung Up, Get together and Foridden Love that could have really changed the songs had they been brought to light. This is what I wish had been done. She needed a one track mind on this record. But a long running pistache? You make it sound like all the songs blend like one long track with no diostiction between them at all, which I don't agree with at all.

superspaceboy said:

A lot of people like bland-ass production, and I don't expect her fams to dislike it. For a dance record, I found SP's production very disappointing and, yes, completely routine. He's done better remixes than this work. To me, all the songs do blend together due to the production, which is homogenized over the entire album, with a few exceptions. And she should have resequenced it to change the fucking tempo up a bit in the middle! "Push" offers the only real departure on the record.

Let's just hope she never does a record with Jason Nevins. Dance can be wonderful but you need to mix up tempos, motifs and production elements if you want a diverse album. This is why Madonna is a classic and COAD was a huge disappointment for me (and, it seems, a lot of people beyond the dedicated).

This is off-topic, but I am also SHOCKED that, although she dumped Mirwais, she didn't dump the whiny "I-have-it-all-woe-is-me-fame-isn't-nice" lyrics. I'm so fucking tired of hearing that shit from her! No one ever bought it beyond Drowned World/Substitute For Love, anyway.
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But I think the point of this release was not about heady music. It was about simplicity, dancing and energy. Most of her success is on the dsancefloor, so she gives homage back to it.

superspaceboy said:

I find the album curiously cold and uninvolving for a dance record. "Get Together" is the only thing on there that even comes close to her previous work, IMHO. I really think she can do a hell of a lot better than sampling ABBA and Donna Summer, "I Love New York" and "Isaac" (absolutely terrible). There's paying tribute and then there's being lazy. Instead of this record, I wish she'd come up with something really incredible and invigorating and trendsetting. Like her first album was.
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VoicesCarry said:

Well that's not what I meant. I wouldn't say the proiduction is bland ass. If it was...many would not be liking it as much as they are. I'd say the production is very simple...almost held back and very homogenous. I almost think she purposefully toned the album way down. You can hear elements buried deep in songs like Hung Up, Get together and Foridden Love that could have really changed the songs had they been brought to light. This is what I wish had been done. She needed a one track mind on this record. But a long running pistache? You make it sound like all the songs blend like one long track with no diostiction between them at all, which I don't agree with at all.

superspaceboy said:

I find the album curiously cold and uninvolving for a dance record. "Get Together" is the only thing on there that even comes close to her previous work, IMHO. I really think she can do a hell of a lot better than sampling ABBA and Donna Summer, "I Love New York" and "Isaac" (absolutely terrible). There's paying tribute and then there's being lazy. Instead of this record, I wish she'd come up with something really incredible and invigorating and trendsetting. Like her first album was.

So there's 2 madonna threads...and no one likes mine. No one likes Hanky Panky?

DavidEye said:

Personally I think SP wasn't exactly the best choice for this record. It really needed someone with more musical ability to "fill in the spaces". BT would have been a good choice.

A lot of people like bland-ass production, and I don't expect her fams to dislike it. For a dance record, I found SP's production very disappointing and, yes, completely routine. He's done better remixes than this work. To me, all the songs do blend together due to the production, which is homogenized over the entire album, with a few exceptions. And she should have resequenced it to change the fucking tempo up a bit in the middle! "Push" offers the only real departure on the record.

Let's just hope she never does a record with Jason Nevins. Dance can be wonderful but you need to mix up tempos, motifs and production elements if you want a diverse album. This is why Madonna is a classic and COAD was a huge disappointment for me (and, it seems, a lot of people beyond the dedicated).

This is off-topic, but I am also SHOCKED that, although she dumped Mirwais, she didn't dump the whiny "I-have-it-all-woe-is-me-fame-isn't-nice" lyrics. I'm so fucking tired of hearing that shit from her! No one ever bought it beyond Drowned World/Substitute For Love, anyway.

He did Superpop? I like that song...though it's mired in "thinking" lyrics, which isn't her strong suit and thus is the reason it was probablyu left off the album.Has anyone heard Fighting spirit off the limited release?

VoicesCarry said:

Funny,I don't think her debut album is trendsetting at all.That album is sooo overrated,imo.I think that 'COADF' sounds more like a Madonna album than her last two albums.She really references her past ALOT on this album.Songs like "Get Together" and "Jump" are similiar to her mid-80s work,but with a modern beat,of course (next time you listen to the chorus of "Jump",try singing the chorus of "Into The Groove")."Push" sounds like an outtake from 'Bedtime Stories'....even "Isaac" borrows elements from previous songs like "Frozen" and "Secret"....the 80s,New Wave-styled "Sorry" wouldn't have sounded out of place on the 'Like A Virgin' album.She even brings back her "Dita" alter ego on the (mostly) spoken-word track "Future Lovers".

I think that COADF is as close as she can ever get to her old "sound" without ripping off the songs completely.

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VoicesCarry said:

Funny,I don't think her debut album is trendsetting at all.That album is sooo overrated,imo.I think that 'COADF' sounds more like a Madonna album than her last two albums.She really references her past ALOT on this album.Songs like "Get Together" and "Jump" are similiar to her mid-80s work,but with a modern beat,of course (next time you listen to the chorus of "Jump",try singing the chorus of "Into The Groove")."Push" sounds like an outtake from 'Bedtime Stories'....even "Isaac" borrows elements from previous songs like "Frozen" and "Secret"....the 80s,New Wave-styled "Sorry" wouldn't have sounded out of place on the 'Like A Virgin' album.She even brings back her "Dita" alter ego on the (mostly) spoken-word track "Future Lovers".

I think that COADF is as close as she can ever get to her old "sound" without ripping off the songs completely.

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[Edited 12/16/05 4:48am]

superspaceboy said:

"Fighting Spirit" is fuckin' brilliant! A superb track."Super Pop" is also very good,but not as good as "Fighting Spirit" imo.I really think she should have included both of these songs on the album,maybe even removing "How High" from the album if necessary.

DavidEye said:

Along with "Thriller", that was the album that helped bring dance music back to the mainstream after disco died. And it wasn't trendsetting? Please.

One of the problems I have with this record is that I don't think it sounds like a Madonna record. Anyone could have made this album. I was expecting something fresh, but if she needed to resort to sampling, I wish she'd picked less obvious tracks. I can't listen to "Future Lovers" because the source material is so defining that I'd rather listen to "I Feel Love" (and who wouldn't?). That sample is too distracting for me to enjoy it. And the reason why everyone likes "Get Together"? It's incredibly similar to "Holiday" - listen again.

I find it interesting that you feel this album sounds like it could have been made in the 80's. I feel that it is completely stuck in the 00's and has more in common with early 90's eurodisco trends than the 80's.

I wish she'd made a fun dance record a) without sampling the obvious and b) without sullying it with her inane musings on fame and fortune. But I blame Stuart Price, and I hope she doesn't make another album with him. Believe me, I was incredibly excited for this record but it really let me down hard. I knew from the moment I heard "Hung Up" that I wouldn't fall in love with it. "Get Together" is the only track that really fulfills the glam-slam hype.

P.S. David, you should really listen to a Kylie album, because if you like this, you should like Light Years or Fever a LOT. I know you hate her even though you've never bothered to listen to her stuff, but she and Madge have a lot in common.
[Edited 12/16/05 8:56am]

VoicesCarry said:

I just don't think you are meant to like it. Your opinions are just that. I think we all see your points, which are valid...but just don't agree with them. Most of us are really digging the album...like it or not, it's the way things are. I can also say that we not pandering to her or liking it "just because".

superspaceboy said:

I find the album curiously cold and uninvolving for a dance record. "Get Together" is the only thing on there that even comes close to her previous work, IMHO. I really think she can do a hell of a lot better than sampling ABBA and Donna Summer, "I Love New York" and "Isaac" (absolutely terrible). There's paying tribute and then there's being lazy. Instead of this record, I wish she'd come up with something really incredible and invigorating and trendsetting. Like her first album was.
[Edited 12/15/05 17:04pm]

VoicesCarry said:

BRAVO! I'm glad someone said it.

DavidEye said:

Along with "Thriller", that was the album that helped bring dance music back to the mainstream after disco died. And it wasn't trendsetting? Please.

One of the problems I have with this record is that I don't think it sounds like a Madonna record. Anyone could have made this album. I was expecting something fresh, but if she needed to resort to sampling, I wish she'd picked less obvious tracks. I can't listen to "Future Lovers" because the source material is so defining that I'd rather listen to "I Feel Love" (and who wouldn't?). That sample is too distracting for me to enjoy it. And the reason why everyone likes "Get Together"? It's incredibly similar to "Holiday" - listen again.

I find it interesting that you feel this album sounds like it could have been made in the 80's. I feel that it is completely stuck in the 00's and has more in common with early 90's eurodisco trends than the 80's.

I wish she'd made a fun dance record a) without sampling the obvious and b) without sullying it with her inane musings on fame and fortune. But I blame Stuart Price, and I hope she doesn't make another album with him. Believe me, I was incredibly excited for this record but it really let me down hard. I knew from the moment I heard "Hung Up" that I wouldn't fall in love with it. "Get Together" is the only track that really fulfills the glam-slam hype.

P.S. David, you should really listen to a Kylie album, because if you like this, you should like Light Years or Fever a LOT. I know you hate her even though you've never bothered to listen to her stuff, but she and Madge have a lot in common.