JohnnyB said:

Who are performing?

His music and integrity will live forever.

A little late on the thread, but I had to put in a word as well. I was almost 10 when it happened. I remember playing with some of my Star Wars toys at the time while my dad and older brother were watching Monday Night Football, and Howard Cosell gave us the grave news. I was taken aback. My older brother was heavily into Beatles music at the time, and it had a trickle down effect on myself as I would often listen to his records along with him. Besides KISS, the Beatles were the only band that mattered to me. We both thought about what it would be like if they all got back together again to make music.

And in one fateful night, that hope... and so much more... died.

I’m shouting all about love
While they treated you like a dog
When you were the one who had made it
So clear
All those years ago.

I’m talking all about how to give
They don’t act with much honesty
But you point the way to the truth when you say
All you need is love.

Living with good and bad
I always look up to you
Now we’re left cold and sad
By someone the devil’s best friend
Someone who offended all.

We’re living in a bad dream
They’ve forgotten all about mankind
And you were the one they backed up to
The wall
All those years ago
You were the one who imagined it all
All those years ago.

Deep in the darkest night
I send out a prayer to you
Now in the world of light
Where the spirit free of the lies
And all else that we despised.

They’ve forgotten all about god
He’s the only reason we exist
Yet you were the one that they said was
So weird
All those years ago
You said it all though not many had ears
All those years ago
You had control of our smiles and our tears
All those years ago

meow85 said:

So no one's going to comment on this?

Maybe I need to start a new thread....

meow85 said:

I think you're definately right that it's different because it was John... and perhaps even John's disappointment I don't know we'll never know

but the fact that it comes down to this that this man took a life - and that life was a life that brought so much joy, love and magic to millions and millions of people around the world and always will. I don't think that will ever be forgotten

meow85 said:

I absolutely agree (and I believe John would, as well).

meow85 said:

This man is not only being held for murdering John Lennon.. Yoko Ono still fears for her life and her sons...

This man is dangerous, and he better be in prison for life....

And besides that... It is better for his own life too, coz i think he wont live long if he is being released

He shot John Lennon, and with that not only he and his family were the victim, but lots and lots of fans were hurt too.. so in a way he hurted alot of people with 5 shots
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meow85 said:

that is soo true. just one of the many things thats fucked up about this world

Moonwalkbjrain said:

However, I'm sure that they're well aware that if they ever did set him free, he would be killed himself shortly after. There have been MANY death threats sent to him over the years. If they want to keep him alive, he'd be better off staying put.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Fucked up??? This men deserves nothing.,.. he has no rights at all..

He killed a human being, that is fucked up!

God is a concept,
By which we can measure,
Our pain,
I'll say it again,
God is a concept,
By which we can measure,
Our pain....

Lennon said:

Good behavior. I bet he was calm & polite while he shot Lennon, too. I think they got it backwards. It's not fucked up that he's still in jail, it's fucked up that murderers, rapists, & molesters are let back out into the world to make room for drug dealers/users.

andyman91 said:

Well said, thank u

I was 15 back then and I remember it like yesterday. I had bought the Double Fantasy album not to long before... I spent the whole day in bed (not because of Lennon, I was sick) and listened to the radio all way through, with nonstop music, tributes, interviews etc.

Sad sad day

Lennon said:

thats true he DID kill a human being, a rather famous one at that. but would he still be in jail if he'd killed a regular human being? what if he killed a human being that had noone? remove john lennon from the equation and put in his place the bum down the street, or the cashier at the seven 11. i doubt he'd still be in jail. thats whats fucked up

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Yeah truye, but like I said, by killing John Lennon, he killed music, loved by millions of people around the world.. So he affected so many people! That is the difference.

I dont feel any pity at all for this MF and I hope he will rot in jail forever. (So there goes my frustration hehehe)

Lennon said:

I don't believe that he should be treated any differently than any other murderer. To do so is to say that John Lennon's life was worth more than anyone else's and it was not.

Ace said:

exactly. i totally feel where ur comming from lennon but i dont agree at all.

Natisse said:

That's true. But who knows what a "nobody" could have done with his life? How much he meant to his family, friends, and loved ones?

That "nobody" was somebody's world.

Why is John worth more than that?

Lennon said:

So how does that make him different than any other killer?

Does someone who murdered Average Joe not hurt more people than they physically wound?

Lennon said:

What's fucked up is that this killer's punishment is greater than most other killer's punishments.



I hate to say it, but you need to take off your Lennon-coloured glasses. John was a great man, but nto worth more than any other murder victim.

Ace said:

meow85 said:

I may have Lennon coloured glasses, but can't I have my own opinion??

I dont think my way of thinking wont influence asuthorities to release him so.... Who cares?

What I think is weird, is that some people here are protecting this psycho!! This man is dangerous, and will always be dangerous!
Just like every murder un this world, he doesnt deserve to ever come back in normal life again.. If he killed John or " just a person " Let him stay where he is... And bother about people who are near u.

That is what I hate about this, people seem to get some sympathy with this man coz his time got extended... come on people.. he is just a caged animal.. Get a life!!

U know what? Release him.. He wont live long i think!!

Lennon said:

Isn't saying that murderers will always be dangerous saying that the human psyche cannot be repaired and wouldn't it logically follow that we should just execute all of these people?

I wouldn't deem what people are arguing here as "protecting this psycho", rather I would say people are arguing that there is a double-standard in place here because some people want to view John Lennon as superhuman, which he was not.

Ace said:

Nope, that is not what i am saying.. but that they need to be taken care of that is for sure!! But probably there are alot of people who like to make the world a better place and give every human being a 2nd chance?
Murderers in general spoiled their chance in life.. they took someone'slife.. so why feel sorry for them? They must be happy that the ARE taken care off anyway!




Well he wasn't indeed... but u know... it is just that people are talking this way about him.. about him being released etc.. i just doesnt make any sense.

I happen to like Lennon very much (his music) and probably that is the fact i am so anxious on this discussion...

Lennon said:

My feeling is that it is far more productive to study killers than to kill them. And I do believe that people can change and learn from their mistakes. I do not believe that some people are "monsters" of an entirely different breed than the rest of us.



John Lennon wrote some great songs (as far as songs go) and the comments he made towards the end of his life about his motivations for his political activism indicate to me that he would have made art that was even more profound if he had lived. It is a shame that we will never see that work, but that doesn't mean we should treat his killer any differently than any other.
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