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murph said:[quote] Militant said: murph said: But to say that its lyrics are deeper and more powerful than "The Message" is on some elitist, rock and roll bullshit...Seriously, some of you folks need to get your head out of your asses..."Teen Spirit" was more about honest, unabashed energy, not great lyricism...
[Edited 12/4/05 20:38pm] Shows how much you know. You yourself probably are completely apathetic to the song and it's meaning. You may as well not even bother listening to it if you're not going to listen properly. "Elitist" LOL. How is stating a preference of a grunge song over a rap song elitist? I think "Hail Mary" and "Changes" by Tupac are a better songs than Smells Like Teen Spirit. Am I elitist now? Just because I think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is better and more relevant than "The Message"? You bring up Tupac's "Hail Mary" and "Changes" as songs that are more relevant than "The Message," but making such a statement shows you may have to read up on your music history...."The Message" made it possible for Pac and any other artists who wanted to go beyond rap's early party and B-Boy origins to speak on serious topics....Again saying that you "like" "Changes" more than "The Message' is one thing, and I can respect your personal preference....But saying that its more relevant than the "The Message" is a bit misinformed...Just say its more relevant to your personal taste....By the way, liking "Teen Spirit" over "The Message" is not elitist...But decoding the lyrics to a great, tongue and cheek rock n roll song and saying that the lyrics to "Smells Like" are deeper and more relevant than "The Message" which basically sums up the underclass existence for many minorities in the early '80s, is a bit elitist... [Edited 12/5/05 11:38am] Read. I never said "Hail Mary" or "Changes" are more relevant than "The Message". That's obviously not true at all. I'm saying they are better songs. The Message did indeed make it possible for other artists to have freedom to say what they wanted. I have never disputed that. Read my posts before. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is MUCH MUCH more than a tongue-in-cheek rock song. I think you should read a Kurt Cobain biography, maybe his journals too and find out exactly what the song was about for yourself. As I said before, it's about the Apathy of Generation X. The Message is relevant to minorities only. Smells Like Teen Spirit is relevant to an entire generation. |
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moderatorI think both these songs are over rated and not the birth of their respective genres.
If I had to pick, then I'd say "The Message" was more important. It took rap to the mainstream, particularly in Europe. . | |
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I suppose it's what song is the most important to you.
It depends what other music you've heard. What you get from a song. It's all personal taste. Shut up already, damn. | |
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Hey. Mellie Mel Killed that shit. I also like the song him and Flash did; White Lines even better. The fact is, not only did the Furious Five not write the track, they didn't even want to rap on it. Teen Spirit probably means more to me, though it's over played and not my favorite Nirvana track by a long shot.
But The Message gets the edge because of the hook: Don’t push me, cause I’m close to the edge I’m trying not to loose my head It’s like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder How I keep from going under Even after Diddy and others, I feel the message has retained it's rawness and hasn't been as commercially sapped as Teen spirit, the "grunge" movement that happened after that was less real and more commercial. It's also one of the reasons rock is dead, the rawness has been sapped because now even the bands are thinking like the industry. [Edited 12/5/05 16:59pm] | |
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CinisterCee said: With the Lights out it's less dangerous that's the lyric? how many times have I heard it and never figured it out. i never even assigned wrong lyrics to it.. i just never knew what it said Yep it's a puzzler but good.. It reminds me of the Prince line from If I Was Your Girlfriend. I don't understand that totally but I think I know what he means. Yeah, we'll try 2 imagine what, what silence looks like Shut up already, damn. | |
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Militant said: murph said: You bring up Tupac's "Hail Mary" and "Changes" as songs that are more relevant than "The Message," but making such a statement shows you may have to read up on your music history...."The Message" made it possible for Pac and any other artists who wanted to go beyond rap's early party and B-Boy origins to speak on serious topics....Again saying that you "like" "Changes" more than "The Message' is one thing, and I can respect your personal preference....But saying that its more relevant than the "The Message" is a bit misinformed...Just say its more relevant to your personal taste....By the way, liking "Teen Spirit" over "The Message" is not elitist...But decoding the lyrics to a great, tongue and cheek rock n roll song and saying that the lyrics to "Smells Like" are deeper and more relevant than "The Message" which basically sums up the underclass existence for many minorities in the early '80s, is a bit elitist... [Edited 12/5/05 11:38am] Read. I never said "Hail Mary" or "Changes" are more relevant than "The Message". That's obviously not true at all. I'm saying they are better songs. The Message did indeed make it possible for other artists to have freedom to say what they wanted. I have never disputed that. Read my posts before. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is MUCH MUCH more than a tongue-in-cheek rock song. I think you should read a Kurt Cobain biography, maybe his journals too and find out exactly what the song was about for yourself. As I said before, it's about the Apathy of Generation X. The Message is relevant to minorities only. Smells Like Teen Spirit is relevant to an entire generation. I love Pac and he's the biggest hip-hop icon of all time; But "Changes" and "Hail Mary" (one of my favorite Pac songs) are not not better songs than the "Message;" as a matter of fact, they are not even in the same level...But once again, that's just my opinion.... | |
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