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Reply #30 posted 12/04/05 1:49pm

pepper7

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I think Smells Like Teen Spirit is a great song.

It's go loads ofgreat imagery and it captures a moment.

It has a strong sense of realness aswell.
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #31 posted 12/04/05 3:05pm

RipHer2Shreds

jthad1129 said:

RipHer2Shreds said:


Nirvana a fad? Think again. They were quite popular, even at the time of Cobain's death. "Grunge" may have been a fad, but the reality is that it was plain old rock n roll. The music media just slapped a label on it to sell it to the public.


Quite popular - exactly, just like white rappers

Your point is neither here nor there.
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Reply #32 posted 12/04/05 4:24pm

DiamondGirl

Ace said:

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" is an incredibly overrated track. I mean, what new ground was broken there? Most mumbling in a rock vocal?

"The Message". By a landslide.

Its also a take off of Boston's More Than A Feeling, admitted by Cobain himself.
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Reply #33 posted 12/04/05 4:48pm

Abdul

MY BROTHAS DOING BAD
STOLE MY MOTHERS T.V.
SAID SHE WATCHES TOO MUCH
IT'S JUST NOT HEALTHY
ALL MY CHILDREN IN THE DAYTIME
DALLAS AT NIGHT
CAN'T EVEN SEE THE GAME
OR THE SUGAR RAY FIGHT
THE BILL COLLECTORS
WHO RING MY PHONE
AND SCARE MY WIFE
WHEN I'M NOT HOME
GOTTA BUM EDUCATION
DOUBLE DIGIT INFLATION
CAN'T TAKE THE TRAIN TO THE JOB
THERE'S A STRIKE AT THE STATION
NEON KING KONG STANDING ON MY BACK
CAN'T STOP TO TURN AROUND
BROKE MY SACROILIAC
A MID-RANGE MIGRAINE CANCERED MEMBRANE
SOMETIMES I THINK I'M GOING INSANE
I SWEAR I MIGHT HIJACK A PLANE

DON'T PUSH ME CAUSE I'M CLOSE TO THE EDGE
I'M TRYING NOT TO LOSE MY HEAD.....



The Message for me
[Edited 12/4/05 16:50pm]
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Reply #34 posted 12/04/05 4:58pm

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I really like both songs and they are both completely different and completely genuine.

Music is about being and expressing yourself in the way you want.

So in a sense I suppose you can never be wrong.

It's like they both have their place.

I suppose you either like them or you don't.

It's all about how you personally relate to the music and what it means to you.

I mean I like a variety of stuff from Simon and Garfunkel to Nirvana to Neil Diamond to Prince to Meatloaf, Queen, Lionel Ritchie, Sade,

But I don't like ALL there music but there will be something I relate to about it for me to have tuned in in the first place.
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Reply #35 posted 12/04/05 6:59pm

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I LOVE "The Message".

But come on, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" wins this by a longshot.

My opinion is that truly great songs have to have more than 1-dimension, lyrically. Which is why Tupac's "Staring Through My Rearview" is also a better rap song than "The Message".

Once you have listened to "The Message" 2 or 3 times, you fully understand what the message (pardon the pun) is. There's no depth lyrically, it is an intentionally simple portrait of inner-city life at the time, which is exactly what was needed at that time to get non-city folks to understand.

Whereas 95% percent of people that have listened to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" still don't understand what the true meaning of the song is, in terms of how Kurt intended it to come across. Yet they can choose to interpret the lyrics in their own way, and relate it to their own lives. Which makes it all-the-more powerful of a song. Kurt wrote that song to express the apathy of "Generation X", and in my opinion, the generation listening to him, including myself (which I term "Generation Y"), and the current MTV generation (Generation Z?) is even further along the apathetic road (all you have to do is watch MTV to realise this)
thus making the song even more relevant than ever.

Melle Mel, Flash and the guys are definately instrumental in shaping hiphop to be what it is day. But in no way are they poets and spokespeople of entire generations of youth, like Kurt and Tupac.
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Reply #36 posted 12/04/05 7:09pm

Zelaira

THE MESSAGE,,,,THE MESSAGE,,,,,GREAT! GREAT SONG,,,,,Feels Like A JUNGLE SOMETIMES.... LOVE This song...
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Reply #37 posted 12/04/05 7:12pm

pepper7

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Militant said:

I LOVE "The Message".

But come on, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" wins this by a longshot.

My opinion is that truly great songs have to have more than 1-dimension, lyrically. Which is why Tupac's "Staring Through My Rearview" is also a better rap song than "The Message".

Once you have listened to "The Message" 2 or 3 times, you fully understand what the message (pardon the pun) is. There's no depth lyrically, it is an intentionally simple portrait of inner-city life at the time, which is exactly what was needed at that time to get non-city folks to understand.

Whereas 95% percent of people that have listened to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" still don't understand what the true meaning of the song is, in terms of how Kurt intended it to come across. Yet they can choose to interpret the lyrics in their own way, and relate it to their own lives. Which makes it all-the-more powerful of a song. Kurt wrote that song to express the apathy of "Generation X", and in my opinion, the generation listening to him, including myself (which I term "Generation Y"), and the current MTV generation (Generation Z?) is even further along the apathetic road (all you have to do is watch MTV to realise this)
thus making the song even more relevant than ever.

Melle Mel, Flash and the guys are definately instrumental in shaping hiphop to be what it is day. But in no way are they poets and spokespeople of entire generations of youth, like Kurt and Tupac.


Yep I do agree. I think Teen Spirit is more 3 dimensional.

There's lots of layers to it.

I think it's a beautiful poem too !

It contradicts itself a lot too. But it's witty, thought-provoking and yet quite sensitive and delicate at the same time.

Smells Like Teen Spirit:

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
It's fun to lose and to pretend
She's overborne and self-assured
Oh no, I know a dirty word

Chorus-
Hello, hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello ,hello
With the Lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now entertain us
A mullato an albino
A mosquito my libido
yay

Verse 2-
I'm worse at what I do best
And for this gift I feel blessed
Our little group has always been
And always will until the end
Chorus-
Hello, hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello, hello
With the Lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now entertain us
A mullato an albino
A mosquito my libido
yay
Bridge-

Verse 3-
And I forget just why I taste
Oh yeah I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard it's hard to find
Oh well whatever nevermind
Chorus-
Hello, hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello, hello
With the Lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now entertain us
A mullato an albino
A mosquito my libido
A denial
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #38 posted 12/04/05 7:32pm

Zelaira

They have Classes in College dealing with this topic... They probably would Consider Kurt Cobain to be more of an ICON....
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Reply #39 posted 12/04/05 7:39pm

pepper7

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Abdul said:

MY BROTHAS DOING BAD
STOLE MY MOTHERS T.V.
SAID SHE WATCHES TOO MUCH
IT'S JUST NOT HEALTHY
ALL MY CHILDREN IN THE DAYTIME
DALLAS AT NIGHT
CAN'T EVEN SEE THE GAME
OR THE SUGAR RAY FIGHT
THE BILL COLLECTORS
WHO RING MY PHONE
AND SCARE MY WIFE
WHEN I'M NOT HOME
GOTTA BUM EDUCATION
DOUBLE DIGIT INFLATION
CAN'T TAKE THE TRAIN TO THE JOB
THERE'S A STRIKE AT THE STATION
NEON KING KONG STANDING ON MY BACK
CAN'T STOP TO TURN AROUND
BROKE MY SACROILIAC
A MID-RANGE MIGRAINE CANCERED MEMBRANE
SOMETIMES I THINK I'M GOING INSANE
I SWEAR I MIGHT HIJACK A PLANE

DON'T PUSH ME CAUSE I'M CLOSE TO THE EDGE
I'M TRYING NOT TO LOSE MY HEAD.....



The Message for me
[Edited 12/4/05 16:50pm]


This song reminds me of "Sign O The Times"
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #40 posted 12/04/05 8:19pm

CinisterCee


With the Lights out it's less dangerous


that's the lyric? how many times have I heard it and never figured it out.

i never even assigned wrong lyrics to it.. i just never knew what it said
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Reply #41 posted 12/04/05 8:28pm

DiamondGirl

Militant said:

I LOVE "The Message".

But come on, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" wins this by a longshot.

My opinion is that truly great songs have to have more than 1-dimension, lyrically. Which is why Tupac's "Staring Through My Rearview" is also a better rap song than "The Message".

Once you have listened to "The Message" 2 or 3 times, you fully understand what the message (pardon the pun) is. There's no depth lyrically, it is an intentionally simple portrait of inner-city life at the time, which is exactly what was needed at that time to get non-city folks to understand.

Whereas 95% percent of people that have listened to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" still don't understand what the true meaning of the song is, in terms of how Kurt intended it to come across. Yet they can choose to interpret the lyrics in their own way, and relate it to their own lives. Which makes it all-the-more powerful of a song. Kurt wrote that song to express the apathy of "Generation X", and in my opinion, the generation listening to him, including myself (which I term "Generation Y"), and the current MTV generation (Generation Z?) is even further along the apathetic road (all you have to do is watch MTV to realise this)
thus making the song even more relevant than ever.

Melle Mel, Flash and the guys are definately instrumental in shaping hiphop to be what it is day. But in no way are they poets and spokespeople of entire generations of youth, like Kurt and Tupac.


You have got top be kidding me. The Message is as timeless and timely as What's Goin On. Teen Spirits "message" is more powerful? Just because it is indecipherable or supposdly subtle, thus, "deemed" self-intepretable makes it the better song?

"no depth lyrically" regarding The Message..yet Teen Spirits goobly gook lyrics is more powerful

disbelief falloff rolleyes
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Reply #42 posted 12/04/05 8:37pm

murph

DiamondGirl said:

Militant said:

I LOVE "The Message".

But come on, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" wins this by a longshot.

My opinion is that truly great songs have to have more than 1-dimension, lyrically. Which is why Tupac's "Staring Through My Rearview" is also a better rap song than "The Message".

Once you have listened to "The Message" 2 or 3 times, you fully understand what the message (pardon the pun) is. There's no depth lyrically, it is an intentionally simple portrait of inner-city life at the time, which is exactly what was needed at that time to get non-city folks to understand.

Whereas 95% percent of people that have listened to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" still don't understand what the true meaning of the song is, in terms of how Kurt intended it to come across. Yet they can choose to interpret the lyrics in their own way, and relate it to their own lives. Which makes it all-the-more powerful of a song. Kurt wrote that song to express the apathy of "Generation X", and in my opinion, the generation listening to him, including myself (which I term "Generation Y"), and the current MTV generation (Generation Z?) is even further along the apathetic road (all you have to do is watch MTV to realise this)
thus making the song even more relevant than ever.

Melle Mel, Flash and the guys are definately instrumental in shaping hiphop to be what it is day. But in no way are they poets and spokespeople of entire generations of youth, like Kurt and Tupac.


You have got top be kidding me. The Message is as timeless and timely as What's Goin On. Teen Spirits "message" is more powerful? Just because it is indecipherable or supposdly subtle, thus, "deemed" self-intepretable makes it the better song?

"no depth lyrically" regarding The Message..yet Teen Spirits goobly gook lyrics is more powerful

disbelief falloff rolleyes


I agree...I dug "...Teen Spirit" for what it was: a great, hard charging rock song that kicked the music industry in the ass...But to say that its lyrics are deeper and more powerful than "The Message" is on some elitist, rock and roll bullshit...Seriously, some of you folks need to get your head out of your asses..."Teen Spirit" was more about honest, unabashed energy, not great lyricism...
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Reply #43 posted 12/04/05 8:49pm

angela74

I guess both songs have their own message. But The Message was telling the truth about what going on in the inner city. People was going through those situations. That rap song was defintley to me on no bullsh*t.
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Reply #44 posted 12/04/05 10:03pm

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THE MESSAGE, still powerful to this day exclaim
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #45 posted 12/05/05 4:00am

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DiamondGirl said:

Militant said:

I LOVE "The Message".

But come on, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" wins this by a longshot.

My opinion is that truly great songs have to have more than 1-dimension, lyrically. Which is why Tupac's "Staring Through My Rearview" is also a better rap song than "The Message".

Once you have listened to "The Message" 2 or 3 times, you fully understand what the message (pardon the pun) is. There's no depth lyrically, it is an intentionally simple portrait of inner-city life at the time, which is exactly what was needed at that time to get non-city folks to understand.

Whereas 95% percent of people that have listened to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" still don't understand what the true meaning of the song is, in terms of how Kurt intended it to come across. Yet they can choose to interpret the lyrics in their own way, and relate it to their own lives. Which makes it all-the-more powerful of a song. Kurt wrote that song to express the apathy of "Generation X", and in my opinion, the generation listening to him, including myself (which I term "Generation Y"), and the current MTV generation (Generation Z?) is even further along the apathetic road (all you have to do is watch MTV to realise this)
thus making the song even more relevant than ever.

Melle Mel, Flash and the guys are definately instrumental in shaping hiphop to be what it is day. But in no way are they poets and spokespeople of entire generations of youth, like Kurt and Tupac.


You have got top be kidding me. The Message is as timeless and timely as What's Goin On. Teen Spirits "message" is more powerful? Just because it is indecipherable or supposdly subtle, thus, "deemed" self-intepretable makes it the better song?

"no depth lyrically" regarding The Message..yet Teen Spirits goobly gook lyrics is more powerful

disbelief falloff rolleyes



don't shake your head, fall off your chair or roll ur eyes at me, lady!
The Message is timeless, however so is Teen Spirit, which is also lyrically deep. It's is not indecipherable, it's IRONIC, most kids are APATHETIC to the MEANING of the song, which is what the song IS ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE. God, I thought I made that clear already.

You proved this even further to me by asserting the lyrics are "goobly gook", and by the way, the correct term is "gobbledy gook".



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Reply #46 posted 12/05/05 4:02am

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Oh, and "The Message" is considered to be pivotal to most hiphop fans? Well look what happened when I posted this on StreetHop/2PacBoard, one of the biggest hiphop sites around.

http://www.streethop.com/...53758.html
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Reply #47 posted 12/05/05 4:08am

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murph said:

But to say that its lyrics are deeper and more powerful than "The Message" is on some elitist, rock and roll bullshit...Seriously, some of you folks need to get your head out of your asses..."Teen Spirit" was more about honest, unabashed energy, not great lyricism...
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Shows how much you know. You yourself probably are completely apathetic to the song and it's meaning. You may as well not even bother listening to it if you're not going to listen properly. "Elitist" LOL. How is stating a preference of a grunge song over a rap song elitist? I think "Hail Mary" and "Changes" by Tupac are a better songs than Smells Like Teen Spirit. Am I elitist now? Just because I think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is better and more relevant than "The Message"?

LOL. Listen to yourself. I think it's more than obvious who needs to get who's head out of their ass.
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Reply #48 posted 12/05/05 4:50am

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murph said:

DiamondGirl said:



You have got top be kidding me. The Message is as timeless and timely as What's Goin On. Teen Spirits "message" is more powerful? Just because it is indecipherable or supposdly subtle, thus, "deemed" self-intepretable makes it the better song?

"no depth lyrically" regarding The Message..yet Teen Spirits goobly gook lyrics is more powerful

disbelief falloff rolleyes


I agree...I dug "...Teen Spirit" for what it was: a great, hard charging rock song that kicked the music industry in the ass...But to say that its lyrics are deeper and more powerful than "The Message" is on some elitist, rock and roll bullshit...Seriously, some of you folks need to get your head out of your asses..."Teen Spirit" was more about honest, unabashed energy, not great lyricism...
[Edited 12/4/05 20:38pm]


Yeah but the lyrics were important. That's whyb people can discuss there meaning.

It's not elitist.

You can say the same about Princes lyrics.

Everyone was amazed at "When Doves Cry" or " Nothing Compare 2 U" and tons of other Prince songs. It's because of his lyrics aswell as his music etc.


Lyrics are important or else people wouldn't make such a big thing out of them.

"The Message" reminds me of a song that I think has a great lyrics but is also about struggles and urban life.

It's less dramatic in it's lyrical content but the songs message still comes across as strong I think.

Plus I'm from the area that the song is about and it definately captures a moment in time that existed, and still exists there.

The song can touch anybody on a human level. Everyone can relate to it no matter who you are.

I suppose thats why it's so poignant to me.


Ghost Town Lyrics

This town, is coming like a ghost town
All the clubs have been closed down
This place, is coming like a ghost town
Bands won't play no more
too much fighting on the dance floor

Do you remember the good old days
Before the ghost town?
We danced and sang,
And the music played inna de boomtown

This town, is coming like a ghost town
Why must the youth fight against themselves?
Government leaving the youth on the shelf
This place, is coming like a ghost town
No job to be found in this country
Can't go on no more
The people getting angry

This town, is coming like a ghost town
This town, is coming like a ghost town
This town, is coming like a ghost town
This town, is coming like a ghost town



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Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #49 posted 12/05/05 7:47am

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apples and oranges

i like apples
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rainbow Funny and charming as usual
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Reply #50 posted 12/05/05 9:08am

CHIC0

Ace said:

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" is an incredibly overrated track. I mean, what new ground was broken there? Most mumbling in a rock vocal?

"The Message". By a landslide.


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Reply #51 posted 12/05/05 9:11am

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CHIC0 said:

Ace said:

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" is an incredibly overrated track. I mean, what new ground was broken there? Most mumbling in a rock vocal?

"The Message". By a landslide.


falloff



Smells Like Nirvana Lyrics
Artist(Band):Weird Al Yankovic


What is this song all about?
Can't figure any lyrics out
How do the words to it go?
I wish you'd tell me, I don't know
Don't know, don't know, don't know, oh no!
Don't know, don't know, don't know...

Now I'm mumblin' and I'm screamin'
And I don't know what I'm singin'
Crank the volume, ears are bleedin'
I still don't know what I'm singin'
We're so loud and incoherent
Boy, this oughta bug your parents
Yeah!

*belch*

poing!

It's unintelligible
I just can't get it through my skull
It's hard to bargle nawdle zouss
with all these marbles in my mouth
Don't know, don't know, don't know, oh no!
Don't know, don't know, don't know...

Well, we don't sound like Madonna
Here we are now, we're Nirvana
Sing distinctly? We don't wanna
Buy our album, we're Nirvana
A garage band from Seattle
Well it sure beats raisin' cattle
Yeah!

moo..

baa...

And I forgot the next verse
Oh well, I guess it pays to rehearse
The lyric sheet's so hard to find
What are the words, oh nevermind
Don't know, don't know, don't know, oh no!
Don't know, don't know, don't know...

Well, I'm yellin' and we're playin'
But I don't know what I'm sayin'
What's the message I'm conveyin'?
Can you tell me what I'm sayin'?
So have you got some idea?
Didn't think so
Well, I'll see ya
Sayonara, sayonara
Ayonawa, hodinawa
Odinaya, yodinaya
Yaddayadda, yaaahyaaah
Ayiyaaaaah!
you look better on your facebook page than you do in person hmph!
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Reply #52 posted 12/05/05 10:20am

murph

Militant said:

murph said:

But to say that its lyrics are deeper and more powerful than "The Message" is on some elitist, rock and roll bullshit...Seriously, some of you folks need to get your head out of your asses..."Teen Spirit" was more about honest, unabashed energy, not great lyricism...
[Edited 12/4/05 20:38pm]


Shows how much you know. You yourself probably are completely apathetic to the song and it's meaning. You may as well not even bother listening to it if you're not going to listen properly. "Elitist" LOL. How is stating a preference of a grunge song over a rap song elitist? I think "Hail Mary" and "Changes" by Tupac are a better songs than Smells Like Teen Spirit. Am I elitist now? Just because I think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is better and more relevant than "The Message"? OL. Listen to yourself. I think it's more than obvious who needs to get who's head out of their ass.


Passionate post....But I never said if you like "Smells Like" more than "The Message" you are an elitist...Unlike others posting on this topic, I can see how someone would praise Kurt's breakthrough classic because of the raw energy that forced the rock n roll community to take a look at itself...But I feel that blowhard music fans and scholars that talk of "Smells Like" being a lyrically powerful statement is going too far...To me that's on some elitist shit; decoding the lyrics to a fun, balls-out, tongue and cheek rock song would make Kurt cringe....The question was, what is the more musically important song, not which song you prefer...Hell, I like Prince's When Doves Cry" over "MJ's "Billie Jean (And we all know that P artistically and lyrically beats out Mike, who I respect); But I know that "Billie Jean" is the more relevant song...Get it?

L
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Reply #53 posted 12/05/05 10:38am

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murph said:

Militant said:



Shows how much you know. You yourself probably are completely apathetic to the song and it's meaning. You may as well not even bother listening to it if you're not going to listen properly. "Elitist" LOL. How is stating a preference of a grunge song over a rap song elitist? I think "Hail Mary" and "Changes" by Tupac are a better songs than Smells Like Teen Spirit. Am I elitist now? Just because I think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is better and more relevant than "The Message"? OL. Listen to yourself. I think it's more than obvious who needs to get who's head out of their ass.


Passionate post....But I never said if you like "Smells Like" more than "The Message" you are an elitist...Unlike others posting on this topic, I can see how someone would praise Kurt's breakthrough classic because of the raw energy that forced the rock n roll community to take a look at itself...But I feel that blowhard music fans and scholars that talk of "Smells Like" being a lyrically powerful statement is going too far...To me that's on some elitist shit; decoding the lyrics to a fun, balls-out, tongue and cheek rock song would make Kurt cringe....The question was, what is the more musically important song, not which song you prefer...Hell, I like Prince's When Doves Cry" over "MJ's "Billie Jean (And we all know that P artistically and lyrically beats out Mike, who I respect); But I know that "Billie Jean" is the more relevant song...Get it?

L
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Why is Billie Jean the more "relevant" song ?

Also HOW is a song elitist ? I mean if I like a song it will be about how much it touches me. Not how many big words are used, how many drum beats there are or what the singer looks like.

Your write a song. You play it. You put it out there.

It's for the listener to make up there minds what they think about it.
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Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #54 posted 12/05/05 11:19am

murph

pepper7 said:

murph said:



Passionate post....But I never said if you like "Smells Like" more than "The Message" you are an elitist...Unlike others posting on this topic, I can see how someone would praise Kurt's breakthrough classic because of the raw energy that forced the rock n roll community to take a look at itself...But I feel that blowhard music fans and scholars that talk of "Smells Like" being a lyrically powerful statement is going too far...To me that's on some elitist shit; decoding the lyrics to a fun, balls-out, tongue and cheek rock song would make Kurt cringe....The question was, what is the more musically important song, not which song you prefer...Hell, I like Prince's When Doves Cry" over "MJ's "Billie Jean (And we all know that P artistically and lyrically beats out Mike, who I respect); But I know that "Billie Jean" is the more relevant song...Get it?

L
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Why is Billie Jean the more "relevant" song ?

Also HOW is a song elitist ? I mean if I like a song it will be about how much it touches me. Not how many big words are used, how many drum beats there are or what the singer looks like.

Your write a song. You play it. You put it out there.

It's for the listener to make up there minds what they think about it.
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Okay...let me break it down for you: Repeat: "Teen Spirit" is not elitist...Liking "Teen Spirit" over another song is not elitist...But fishing out the lyrics to a great, tongue and cheek rock n roll song and saying that the lyrics to said song are deeper and more relevant than a track that basically sums up the underclass existence for many minorities in the early '80s is a bit elitist...

And as far as my example of "When Doves Cry" and "Billie Jean," I stand by my statement...Personally, I think "Doves" is a more complex, groundbreaking work than "Billie Jean..." BUT!!!! I know as an unbiased music head that if it wasn't for "Billie Jean" Prince would not have gotten his black ass on MTV; If it wasn't for "Billie Jean" African-American music artists would still be relegated to the second class citezens on popular radio...That song is more important not because it's my "favorite" song...It's more important because of the impact it had on pop culture and beyond....But I still like "When doves Cry" more...
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Reply #55 posted 12/05/05 11:28am

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pepper7 said:

murph said:



I agree...I dug "...Teen Spirit" for what it was: a great, hard charging rock song that kicked the music industry in the ass...But to say that its lyrics are deeper and more powerful than "The Message" is on some elitist, rock and roll bullshit...Seriously, some of you folks need to get your head out of your asses..."Teen Spirit" was more about honest, unabashed energy, not great lyricism...
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Yeah but the lyrics were important. That's whyb people can discuss there meaning.

It's not elitist.

You can say the same about Princes lyrics.

Everyone was amazed at "When Doves Cry" or " Nothing Compare 2 U" and tons of other Prince songs. It's because of his lyrics aswell as his music etc.


Lyrics are important or else people wouldn't make such a big thing out of them.

"The Message" reminds me of a song that I think has a great lyrics but is also about struggles and urban life.

It's less dramatic in it's lyrical content but the songs message still comes across as strong I think.

Plus I'm from the area that the song is about and it definately captures a moment in time that existed, and still exists there.

The song can touch anybody on a human level. Everyone can relate to it no matter who you are.

I suppose thats why it's so poignant to me.


Ghost Town Lyrics

This town, is coming like a ghost town
All the clubs have been closed down
This place, is coming like a ghost town
Bands won't play no more
too much fighting on the dance floor

Do you remember the good old days
Before the ghost town?
We danced and sang,
And the music played inna de boomtown

This town, is coming like a ghost town
Why must the youth fight against themselves?
Government leaving the youth on the shelf
This place, is coming like a ghost town
No job to be found in this country
Can't go on no more
The people getting angry

This town, is coming like a ghost town
This town, is coming like a ghost town
This town, is coming like a ghost town
This town, is coming like a ghost town



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Are you talking about "Smells Like Teen Spirit" or "The Message?"
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"The Message" for some reason it reminds me of this song .
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Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #57 posted 12/05/05 11:32am

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Militant said:[quote]

murph said:

But to say that its lyrics are deeper and more powerful than "The Message" is on some elitist, rock and roll bullshit...Seriously, some of you folks need to get your head out of your asses..."Teen Spirit" was more about honest, unabashed energy, not great lyricism...
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Shows how much you know. You yourself probably are completely apathetic to the song and it's meaning. You may as well not even bother listening to it if you're not going to listen properly. "Elitist" LOL. How is stating a preference of a grunge song over a rap song elitist? I think "Hail Mary" and "Changes" by Tupac are a better songs than Smells Like Teen Spirit. Am I elitist now? Just because I think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is better and more relevant than "The Message"?


You bring up Tupac's "Hail Mary" and "Changes" as songs that are more relevant than "The Message," but making such a statement shows you may have to read up on your music history...."The Message" made it possible for Pac and any other artists who wanted to go beyond rap's early party and B-Boy origins to speak on serious topics....Again saying that you "like" "Changes" more than "The Message' is one thing, and I can respect your personal preference....But saying that its more relevant than the "The Message" is a bit misinformed...Just say its more relevant to your personal taste....By the way, liking "Teen Spirit" over "The Message" is not elitist...But decoding the lyrics to a great, tongue and cheek rock n roll song and saying that the lyrics to "Smells Like" are deeper and more relevant than "The Message" which basically sums up the underclass existence for many minorities in the early '80s, is a bit elitist...
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pepper7 said:

"The Message" for some reason it reminds me of this song .
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Well, I think we are on the same page...
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murph said:

pepper7 said:

"The Message" for some reason it reminds me of this song .
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Well, I think we are on the same page...


That's cool wink biggrin
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