well ive finally done it!

never bought the album until the other day(the special edition was vv cheap)

of course i had heard most of the tracks but im amazed at how much filler is on this album..that 80s sound has not stood the test of time.

of course billie jean and wanna be are great songs and human nature has such a beautiful melody..but the rest???

if he hadnt made the video for thriller i doubt really this album would have been the huge smash it was.plus i didnt realise HE NEVER WROTE THRILLER!!

anyway just my oponion..i always felt the prince/mike comparrison were really naive and unfounded.

one is a multi instrumentalist/producer/singer/songwriter/dancer/..the other is a dancer and a glorified product..i saw big mike live once...the man MIMED half the time and did not once pick up an instrument..and there was NO audience participation..it was cold and workmanlike..tho the effects were cool(hey!i was 14 and dug special effects!)

dont get me wrong when it comes to dancing mike is the shit and his voice in the early days was beautiful but like it or nor muikes a "product"other people write for him,play for him and produce..to me thats a product.

tho that product has produced some great work and like i said before human nature is such a beautiful no.inc the miles davis cover(of course no surprises MIKE NEVER WROTE A NOTE!!)

what do yall think orgland!

Well, before his fan squad comes along, I just gotta say that he DOES write and produce on his own and that many of his biggest hits were his compositions.

as a Prince and Mj fan I can not see how anybody can compare Prince and Mj apart from the fact that they were at the peak of their fame at around the same time and origionally were the same colour bith have stood the test of time and are geniuses in the own rights.
i am now almost 24 at 3 i was hearing Mj from my mum and its stuck with me i got into Janet as she was cool and i was 13 when i found prince's music i saw the video for most beautiful girl in the world and heard the lyrics and fell in love along the line i fell for Lenny Kravitzs with his love songs and sexy looks and the terrence trent d'arby hard line according to LP
and thats still my main like of music appart from a cd by a kid called Thicke i love it you should check it out.

as for thriller it is not my favourite Mj album but most of his fans have a cd or song that holds a memory and thats how it goes

look im not an MJ hater..I mean as a music lover who could/

but it seems mj fans have a hard time accepting the fact that nearly all of his songs werent written or played by mj..HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIM PLAY AN INSTRUMENT???is there even a photo out there with mike jamming????

oh and thicke?

love the cd beatiful world

No-one claimed he was an instrumentalist. He's not. He can play instruments, but isn't confident enough to properly jam in concert, and no-one denies that. He can play guitar and drums and does compose on a piano as well as just using his voice. Jennifer Batten said she's seen him play various instruments, but no-one ever claimed he could compete with professional session musicians. H does play guitar on Morphine though, but I don't know what parts.

"Human Nature" was always one of my favorite songs. I was really disappointed when I first learned that Michael didn't write it.

OTOH, Sometimes it Snows in April is pretty much a Wendy and Lisa song... I felt the same disappointment with Prince when I heard about that.

Who wrote the albums biggest hits "Billie Jean" "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" and "Beat It"?

OH YEAH..Michael Jackson

Claim of Michael Jackson being a "product" was just denied. Read the liner notes of your new Special Edition Thriller.

I read someone on this board said MJ will start playing instruments when his too old too dance *quote from teddy riley

Gotta love Riley!

Thriller not being my favorite MJ album I still feel the need to defend it being a HUGE MJ fan. There is only one song from Thriller that I haven't heard on the radio this past year alone, that being The Girl Is Mine, so I do believe those so called 80s songs have stayed the test of time. As for Mike not playing an instrument, I've seen him play the guitar, piano and drums on more than one occassion. As for his voice, at his current age he's supposed to be in his vocal peak, so take that however you want.

This is just an opinon from a Michael Jackson fanatic so judge whatever way you want to.

And for the comparison to Prince, they're two totally different people and if people would STOP comparing them, we could have (if you want) equal respect for both of them, not just putting down one because you don't like the other (that goes for only MJ fans and only Prince fans).

Peace
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MichaelsLight said:

I agree 100000 percent! Is that a percent?

What is the point in comparing apples to oranges? Why not enjoy both? And enjoy more of the one you favor the most? Done and done

MichaelsLight said:

When did you see him play instruments? He used to be one of the best singers, nowdays he has trouble singing in tune (judged by the MSG performance).

I will publicly say sorry on my hands and knees if anybody can show me proof THAT HE CAN PLAY AN INSTRUMENT?????

mike cant play shit..and that gig i saw...bullshit 80s session musicians..even sheryl crow said when she toured with him in the 80s as a backing band that he NEVER NEVER spoke to the band..he wasnt reponsible for ANY of the live music.and thats straight from crows mouth..she wasnt dissing him just stating a fact.

never spoke to the band?????

on a world tour????

Maybe he just never spoke to her.
Was she the lead guitar player? I thought Jennifer Batton was.

yep just read my notes

as far as thriller goes it seems that this rod temperton wrote most the album

unless ive just got an evil untruthful copy of the album lol!!!

QUESTION.how many tracks did he write on invicible??

that album cost an obscene amount of cash..wasnt it 27m on songwriters alone???

face it some people prefer donnie darko to the phantom menace

this whole spend!spend! ethos is bullshit.

anybody remeber jarvis at the 95 brits..GENIUS!!!

jonylawson said:

maybe watching this may change your mind

http://www.jetzis-mjvideos.com/bso

Click on Bad Rehearsals Pensicola

Haha, Sheryl Crow said he never learned her name, yet they went to a museum together in Cork holding hands, he introduced the band every night by name, and I've heard those secretly taped phone conversations from the early 90s and he'd even mention her there when discussing his band, and that was 3 years after she stopped working for him.

Sheryl Crow has changed her stories about working on the Bad tour about 10 times. She changed it 3 times in the last 2 weeks when doing promo for her album in the UK. Funny how people like Jennifer Batten who have been on all of them say differenly. Maybe because Jennifer had a more central role to the set-up, seeing as Sheryl (and even though I'm actually a fan of hers) sounded like a strangled cat on all the footage I've seen of her on tour with him.
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jonylawson said:

I do like Jarvis Cocker, but his excuse was a bit lame. He should have just told the truth and said he was drunk and decided to be funny, instead of saying he was protesting against something that happened 2 minutes AFTER he raided the stage.

jonylawson said:

Yeah the cock but it was nothing like genius MJ's performance was GENIUS World Music awards 96 performance was even more GENIUS !!!

Diddy said:

You are oh so right about almost everything dealing with Michael.
Glad to someone with such a smart mind on this board. It is very refreshing.

Jony

Lawson said

i would get in a rant and go take you up on those but i realise ur just a disgruntled prince fan. don't blame Michael coz he is far better artist

jasonstar said:

I wouldnt say im that smart or right just what i think but thank you

cant anyone see this was an attempt to bash michael? i bet he didnt even buy the album.

...an accused paedophile with kids hanging off him pretending he was jesus(brits 95)that is cool to an mj fan?????

jonylawson said:

Well, as an oldschool MJ fan I have to say that when it comes to discussing Jackson the fact that the man is not an instrumentalist has little bearing on whether or not he should be taken seriously...If anything the man should be criticized for the fact that throughout his solo career he has taken an average of 5 years between albums; He should be criticized for his blatant ambitions to be a pop idol rather than his former legendary status as the most soulful and exciting performer of his generation. Unless you are comparing him to Miles Davis, Stevie Wonder or Prince, his non-abilities to play instruments should never be an issue...He should be criticized for doing the same live show for the last 25 years and now lipsyncing...To me MJ's biggest problem, musically and artistically, was his lack of courage to go beyond his commercial obsessions...
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murph said:

Exactly my point of view

manthevan said:

Different points homie...My point was that bringing up his lack of instrumental prowess is moot when it comes to judging him as an artist...Frank Sinatra couldn't play piano to save his life...Never tarnished his legacy...MJ can be criticized for other things rather than the fact he can't play guitar...
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the pop fans LOVE Thriller

but most MJ fans go for OFF THE WALL.

but like others have stated everyone has their personal favourites,
and i can say this with tottal honesty i always prefered MJs own work then the ones written by others in a large ratio....

songs like
BJ
Don't Stop
Wanna b
Who is it
Give in to me
Earth Song
Stranger

are priceless its tottal variety and its got his signature sound all over it

jonylawson said:

You're forgetting and underestimating a lotta details about his creativity tho :
Mike had some major input in writing/arranging/producing much for the Jacksons TRIUMPH album ( 1980 ). He did the whole concept for their "Can You Feel It "-video which was ahead of it's time back then .

Hence , he wrote the Grammy nominated , highest-Billboard-peaking and best-sold singles from the Thriller-album : Beat It & Billie Jean .

For the Bad-album , he also wrote most of the songs .

He was all involved when the presentation of the first Thriller-demo was presented to the Record-Company . The songs were randommed in another order , which didn't seem to match . For that , Mike & Quincy went back in the studio , spending much hours to get the concept right . Re-playing songs and stuff . That's clearly not an example of being merely a product .


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