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Printablehellomoto said: murph said: Off The Wall and Thriller are okay...You are kidding right??? So are you saying Bad and Dangerous are better albums? Just asking... so what if he was?..... id happen to agree I know...I know Katty...We all have are opinions...But it's one thing to say that Off The Wall and Thriller are overrated (You know how I feel about Off The Wall...It's MJ at his rawest and finest...) It's quite another to say that Bad and Dangerous are more superior...I just couldn't say that and sleep well at night (LOL)...But really, I guess it's all about the era you came up in... [Edited 11/13/05 22:05pm] | |
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murph said: hellomoto said: so what if he was?..... id happen to agree I know...I know Katty...We all have are opinions...But it's one thing to say that Off The Wall and Thriller are overrated (You know how I feel about Off The Wall...It's MJ at his rawest and finest...) It's quite another to say that Bad and Dangerous are more superior...I just couldn't say that and sleep well at night (LOL)...But really, I guess it's all about the era you came up in... [Edited 11/13/05 22:05pm] no, its really not, its about which album i think has the most amount of great songs. you know how much i love destiny and triumph, and they came out around the same time as off the wall. i just dont understand the hype around off the wall. just like you dont understand when people say they like such an such album better then off the wall or thriller, i dont understand when people say historys not as good as them. like i said i judge how many great songs on one album, i think ' they dont care about us' 'earth song' 'stranger in moscow' 'will you be there' 'black or white' 'give into me' 'who is it' 'tabloid junkie' '2 bad' are better then anything on off the wall. i just dont understand the hype of the actual songs on off the wall, the only song on there i rank up with the highest is 'dont stop till you get enough'. | |
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hellomoto said: murph said: I know...I know Katty...We all have are opinions...But it's one thing to say that Off The Wall and Thriller are overrated (You know how I feel about Off The Wall...It's MJ at his rawest and finest...) It's quite another to say that Bad and Dangerous are more superior...I just couldn't say that and sleep well at night (LOL)...But really, I guess it's all about the era you came up in... [Edited 11/13/05 22:05pm] no, its really not, its about which album i think has the most amount of great songs. you know how much i love destiny and triumph, and they came out around the same time as off the wall. i just dont understand the hype around off the wall. just like you dont understand when people say they like such an such album better then off the wall or thriller, i dont understand when people say historys not as good as them. like i said i judge how many great songs on one album, i think ' they dont care about us' 'earth song' 'stranger in moscow' 'will you be there' 'black or white' 'give into me' 'who is it' 'tabloid junkie' '2 bad' are better then anything on off the wall. i just dont understand the hype of the actual songs on off the wall, the only song on there i rank up with the highest is 'dont stop till you get enough'. I agree with this 10000 times over. Tabloid Junkie and Who Is It are my 2 of my favorite Michael songs. HIStory (Disc 2) / Blood On The Dance Floor / Dangerous = All better than Off The Wall  | |
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hellomoto said: murph said: I know...I know Katty...We all have are opinions...But it's one thing to say that Off The Wall and Thriller are overrated (You know how I feel about Off The Wall...It's MJ at his rawest and finest...) It's quite another to say that Bad and Dangerous are more superior...I just couldn't say that and sleep well at night (LOL)...But really, I guess it's all about the era you came up in... [Edited 11/13/05 22:05pm] no, its really not, its about which album i think has the most amount of great songs. you know how much i love destiny and triumph, and they came out around the same time as off the wall. i just dont understand the hype around off the wall. just like you dont understand when people say they like such an such album better then off the wall or thriller, i dont understand when people say historys not as good as them. like i said i judge how many great songs on one album, i think ' they dont care about us' 'earth song' 'stranger in moscow' 'will you be there' 'black or white' 'give into me' 'who is it' 'tabloid junkie' '2 bad' are better then anything on off the wall. i just dont understand the hype of the actual songs on off the wall, the only song on there i rank up with the highest is 'dont stop till you get enough'. In my humble opinion "Stranger In Moscow," "Remember The Time," "Give In To Me," and "Liberian Girl" are as good as any of his material on Thriller or Off The Wall." After that it's a crap shoot...There are other songs that work well (such as "Butterflies," "The Way You Make Me Feel" and "Who Is It,")...But most of his other material post Thriller seems a little plastic...At times he's aiming to please a little too desperately...I just miss the soul is his voice... | |
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CandaceS said: ReturnOfDOOK said: How does he find the time to record a new album with all the child molesting and plastic surgery he has on his schedule?
P.S. Hi Dook!  Come back to the states!!!!! | |
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jasonstar said: ReturnOfDOOK said: How does he find the time to record a new album with all the child molesting and plastic surgery he has on his schedule?
Two Words.. Not Guilty  Two Words.. Bad Case 
I agree - he should NOT have been found guilty in that case - the evidence was definitely not there. But, I'm a strong believer that MJ has definitely done some naughty things to boys. But, you're right - not guilty in that case as he should have been....  | |
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jasonstar said: hellomoto said: no, its really not, its about which album i think has the most amount of great songs. you know how much i love destiny and triumph, and they came out around the same time as off the wall. i just dont understand the hype around off the wall. just like you dont understand when people say they like such an such album better then off the wall or thriller, i dont understand when people say historys not as good as them. like i said i judge how many great songs on one album, i think ' they dont care about us' 'earth song' 'stranger in moscow' 'will you be there' 'black or white' 'give into me' 'who is it' 'tabloid junkie' '2 bad' are better then anything on off the wall. i just dont understand the hype of the actual songs on off the wall, the only song on there i rank up with the highest is 'dont stop till you get enough'. I agree with this 10000 times over. Tabloid Junkie and Who Is It are my 2 of my favorite Michael songs. HIStory (Disc 2) / Blood On The Dance Floor / Dangerous = All better than Off The Wall Okay...we are approaching Neverland...Blood On The Dancefloor????? WTF...No diss, but come on....That's like a Prince fan saying Chaos & Disorder or Rave...is better than Purple Rain and Sign O Times...It's laughable...I know we all have are own opinions...And I can even deal with someone saying that Thriller is overrated...But let's not go overboard here... | |
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murph said: jasonstar said: I agree with this 10000 times over. Tabloid Junkie and Who Is It are my 2 of my favorite Michael songs. HIStory (Disc 2) / Blood On The Dance Floor / Dangerous = All better than Off The Wall Okay...we are approaching Neverland...Blood On The Dancefloor????? WTF...No diss, but come on....That's like a Prince fan saying Chaos & Disorder or Rave...is better than Purple Rain and Sign O Times...It's laughable...I know we all have are own opinions...And I can even deal with someone saying that Thriller is overrated...But let's not go overboard here... im not going overboard, its just my opinon. i dont like off the wall, ok? i cant understand whats so special about that album that you defend it like you do. my opinon has nothing to do with me being an 'obsessed fan' i just like great unique music and off the wall doesnt have that. i seriously dont think youve ever even listened to an album of michaels past thriller, or not enough times to judge it fairly. i really encourage you to listen to 'earth song' and 'they dont care about us' and tell me there not brilliant songs i do see where your coming from though, even though i still dont agree with you. it absolutely boggles my mind when people say american life is better then ray of light. its just difference of opinons really. [Edited 11/13/05 23:05pm] | |
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hellomoto said: murph said: Okay...we are approaching Neverland...Blood On The Dancefloor????? WTF...No diss, but come on....That's like a Prince fan saying Chaos & Disorder or Rave...is better than Purple Rain and Sign O Times...It's laughable...I know we all have are own opinions...And I can even deal with someone saying that Thriller is overrated...But let's not go overboard here... im not going overboard, its just my opinon. i dont like off the wall, ok? i cant understand whats so special about that album that you defend it like you do. my opinon has nothing to do with me being an 'obsessed fan' i just like great unique music and off the wall doesnt have that. i seriously dont think youve ever even listened to an album of michaels past thriller, or not enough times to judge it fairly. Well, I thought I was responding to Jason's statement, not you Katty...However, I have listened to my share of MJ albums post Thriller and there's some shit I like and some shit that borders on parody...Here's what I think: Dangerous is his most underrated work; Bad is silly, souless, bland and at times sophomoric with the exception of "Liberian Girl," Man In The Mirror," "Another Part Of Me," and "The Way You Make Me Feel..." "Bad," the single and video, ranks among some of his worst and most embarrasing statements..."Stranger In Moscow" deserved better...should have been a huge hit critically and commercially; "Tabloid Junkie" is ameterish and contrived at best..."Black Or White" is irony at its worst..."Give In To Me" is a more complete and heartfelt take on hard rock than "Beat It;" "Blood On The Dancefloor is a joke; History, with the exception of "Stranger In Moscow," is too melodramatic and uneven to be considered among his best work...And "Butterflies" finds the man vocally in fine form...When the man is at his peak he has the voice of angels...Unfortunately, such a showcase of his brilliant vocals are too few and far between... [Edited 11/13/05 23:45pm] | |
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squiddyren said: hellomoto said: i dont get why everyone says he tries to remakes those albums, bad, dangerous history and invincible sound nothing like thriller or off the wall.
I used to be like you and think the same, but sooner or later, you come to realize that the man is simply obsessed with repeating "Thriller"'s record-breaking success. Beginning with "Bad", over half of the production on his albums has been trendy, brittle, and bombastic, and beginning with "Dangerous", he's gotten into a distinct habit of hiring a slew of hot, of-the-moment producers to give him the current pop sound and thus guarantee him commercial success. Yes, I'm aware that he also writes and produces his own stuff, but if he didn't have his sights set on stratospheric commerciality like many of us suspect him of having at the same time, he wouldn't keep hiring all the hot producers and have them help the sound of his albums sound grandiose and over-the-top. And yes, in addition, there are indeed musical and lyrical formulas repeated from "Thriller" on his records as well. You've got the uptempo, epic-ish opening track that he crafted to warm perfection on "Thriller" and "Off The Wall" but indulged in excess and braggadocio with on succeeding records, you've got "Billie Jean: Part II" with "Dirty Diana" on "Bad", "Beat It: Part II" with "Bad"'s title track and its accompanying short film, "Thriller: Part II" on the "Dangerous" outtake "Ghosts" along with its short film, "Thriller: Part III" on the "HIStory" outtake "Is It Scary", "Thriller: Part IV" on "Invincible"'s "Threatened", all the old misogynistic rants.... come on, now... but the songs sound nothing alike, so its not really thriller part 2 or blah blah blah. the subject matter might be the same, but theres not one artist out there who hasnt repeated subject matters before. most artists so it numeral times. | |
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murph said: hellomoto said: im not going overboard, its just my opinon. i dont like off the wall, ok? i cant understand whats so special about that album that you defend it like you do. my opinon has nothing to do with me being an 'obsessed fan' i just like great unique music and off the wall doesnt have that. i seriously dont think youve ever even listened to an album of michaels past thriller, or not enough times to judge it fairly. Well, I thought I was responding to Jason's statement, not you Katty...However, I have listened to my share of MJ albums post Thriller and there's some shit I like and some shit that borders on parody...Here's what I think: Dangerous is his most underrated work; Bad is silly, souless, bland and at times sophomoric with the exception of "Liberian Girl" and "Another Part Of Me," and "The Way You Make Me Feel..." "Bad," the single and video, ranks among one of the worst and most embarrasing statements by the man..."Stranger In Moscow" deserved better...should have been a huge hit critically and commercially; "Tabloid Junkie" is ameterish and contrived at best..."Black Or White" is irony at its worst..."Give In To Me" is a more complete and heartfelt take on hard rock than "Beat It;" "Blood On The Dancefloor is a joke; History, with the exception of "Stranger In Moscow," is too melodramatic and uneven to be considered among his best work...And "Butterflies" finds the man vocally in fine form...When the man is at his peak he has the voice of angels... true, you werent talking to me, but i share the same opinon so what you said to him must apply to me, so i thought id respond. i completely disagree with all your rankings on the songs, its so amazing how different peoples tastes can be | |
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hellomoto said: murph said: Well, I thought I was responding to Jason's statement, not you Katty...However, I have listened to my share of MJ albums post Thriller and there's some shit I like and some shit that borders on parody...Here's what I think: Dangerous is his most underrated work; Bad is silly, souless, bland and at times sophomoric with the exception of "Liberian Girl" and "Another Part Of Me," and "The Way You Make Me Feel..." "Bad," the single and video, ranks among one of the worst and most embarrasing statements by the man..."Stranger In Moscow" deserved better...should have been a huge hit critically and commercially; "Tabloid Junkie" is ameterish and contrived at best..."Black Or White" is irony at its worst..."Give In To Me" is a more complete and heartfelt take on hard rock than "Beat It;" "Blood On The Dancefloor is a joke; History, with the exception of "Stranger In Moscow," is too melodramatic and uneven to be considered among his best work...And "Butterflies" finds the man vocally in fine form...When the man is at his peak he has the voice of angels... true, you werent talking to me, but i share the same opinon so what you said to him must apply to me, so i thought id respond. i completely disagree with all your rankings on the songs, its so amazing how different peoples tastes can be Yep...It makes for great dialogue | |
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murph said: hellomoto said: true, you werent talking to me, but i share the same opinon so what you said to him must apply to me, so i thought id respond. i completely disagree with all your rankings on the songs, its so amazing how different peoples tastes can be Yep...It makes for great dialogue anyway, since you dont respond to pm's when are you going to send me those songs? | |
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hellomoto said: murph said: Yep...It makes for great dialogue anyway, since you dont respond to pm's when are you going to send me those songs? I responded last time (LOL)...Don't be so hard on me...But seriously, i have to figure out how to get them to you since they don't allow folks to post Prince material on the site... | |
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".... she said she will never sleep with a white man because their penises are too pink and red and the veins show" ~ Michael Jackson
 Ellie, when and why the hell did michael say that?[Edited 11/13/05 23:32pm] | |
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LightOfArt said: I find it pretty amusing how a pop superstar big as him, who has to be successful all the time, manages to induce a lot of genres in his songs and still be commercially succesfull with it.
Rock-done Funk-done Rnb-done Gospel-done Hip Hop-done NeoClassic-done Whatever morphine is-done Michael Jackon is one very special guy, so just shut the fuck up!
[Edited 11/13/05 7:23am] kinda annoying isn't it how people always twist his music to pop he has done everthing possible in music and he has done every genre except for country with success
: there's something about mike that people fear they don't want him on top like the katrina single the man is doing something for his people and the only thing y'all can come up it is who's beating michael jackson by the punch and now his future album, i swear it's to funny invincible was a good album compare it with the b.s that was out in 2001 and you will see what i mean -break off dawn -butterflies -you rock my world -heartbreaker -unbreakable -speechless -2000 watts - etc etc these days if an album has 2 aight songs on it people call it a classic but with michael jackson nahhhhh it's not thriller and they claim michael jackson is stuck on the thriller lp hahaha hypocrits michael jackson haters are slowminded treemonkeys monkey: 
Real sick, brawl nights, I perform like mike Anyone -- tyson, jordan, jackson Action, pack guns -notorious B.I.G | |
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ReturnOfDOOK said: CandaceS said:
P.S. Hi Dook! Come back to the states!!!!! I wish I could, believe me!  "I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 |
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hellomoto said: ".... she said she will never sleep with a white man because their penises are too pink and red and the veins show" ~ Michael Jackson
Ellie, when and why the hell did michael say that?
I've got the whole audio if you like It's hysterical! | |
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Turn the volume RIGHT up to hear it. I just love his impression of his father in the middle of the file 
http://www.savefile.com/files/6114953 | |
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FunkyBrotha said: Michael also stated he has no intention to tour and will go back to workin on film!
Giving up touring? That's one of the few ways that he could still make alot of money.And what does he mean "go back to working on film"? How many movies has he starred in/worked on/directed in the past?  | |
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I think he just means the film industry. Remember when he invested in MDP Worldwide Entertainemnt? That was one of the distributers behind Monster with Charlize Theron. Just about the only film with any credibility he's been vaguely connected to [Edited 11/14/05 6:19am] | |
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DavidEye said: Giving up touring? That's one of the few ways that he could still make alot of money.
Oh dont worry bout that Michael said Bad Tour was going to be be his last tour | |
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ehuffnsd said: i hope someone is there to tell him NO don't do that with this song/album/video/life. i think that is what brings him down. There is no one around telling him Hey Mike that's a bad idea.
[Edited 11/13/05 19:35pm] i think there are its just that he chooses not to listen. u can have the almighty telling u that something might not be a good idea but if its what u wanna do noone can make u do other wise. mike strikes me as a very strong willed man Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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hellomoto said: Axchi696 said: eh, I won't be buying it without downloading it first. If I'm truly honest with myself, I haven't liked a Michael Jackson CD since Dangerous. I bought Invincible on the day of release, and forced myself to listen to it for about a month or so. Unless the album is a break from trying to remake Thriller for the 4th time or Off the Wall for the 5th time, I'll most likely pass.
i dont get why everyone says he tries to remakes those albums, bad, dangerous history and invincible sound nothing like thriller or off the wall. I agree with you, I was kind of dissapointed with Invincable my self I only like 4 songs on there, Invincable , Bad, Dangerous, Thriller and Off the Wall does not sound like alike at all. | |
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HIStory (Disc 2) and Blood On The Dance Floor (5 new songs only) are some of Michael's best music. It is ironic how his best music is also the most under-rated.  | |
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yeah i totally agree, his 90s stuff was the best! | |
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Glad to know the person above me agrees with me! To anyone who loved Michael's 90s output - I'd suggest buying "The Ultimate Collection" if you have not already. It captures some of Michael's best "90's songs" and some interesting unreleased stuff. It also includes the Dangerous tour. While it wasn't as good as the Bad tour, it rocks my face off all the same! | |
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personally his 80's stuff do it for me. Everything he put out in the 90's don't beat "Smooth Criminal" alone.... [Edited 11/15/05 14:25pm] I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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