potroastpony said:

oooooh, how original, your such a rebel

eh, I won't be buying it without downloading it first. If I'm truly honest with myself, I haven't liked a Michael Jackson CD since Dangerous. I bought Invincible on the day of release, and forced myself to listen to it for about a month or so. Unless the album is a break from trying to remake Thriller for the 4th time or Off the Wall for the 5th time, I'll most likely pass.

Axchi696 said:

i dont get why everyone says he tries to remakes those albums, bad, dangerous history and invincible sound nothing like thriller or off the wall.

hellomoto said:

I used to be like you and think the same, but sooner or later, you come to realize that the man is simply obsessed with repeating "Thriller"'s record-breaking success. Beginning with "Bad", over half of the production on his albums has been trendy, brittle, and bombastic, and beginning with "Dangerous", he's gotten into a distinct habit of hiring a slew of hot, of-the-moment producers to give him the current pop sound and thus guarantee him commercial success. Yes, I'm aware that he also writes and produces his own stuff, but if he didn't have his sights set on stratospheric commerciality like many of us suspect him of having at the same time, he wouldn't keep hiring all the hot producers and have them help the sound of his albums sound grandiose and over-the-top.

And yes, in addition, there are indeed musical and lyrical formulas repeated from "Thriller" on his records as well. You've got the uptempo, epic-ish opening track that he crafted to warm perfection on "Thriller" and "Off The Wall" but indulged in excess and braggadocio with on succeeding records, you've got "Billie Jean: Part II" with "Dirty Diana" on "Bad", "Beat It: Part II" with "Bad"'s title track and its accompanying short film, "Thriller: Part II" on the "Dangerous" outtake "Ghosts" along with its short film, "Thriller: Part III" on the "HIStory" outtake "Is It Scary", "Thriller: Part IV" on "Invincible"'s "Threatened", all the old misogynistic rants.... come on, now...

Apart from the whole ghoul thing, Ghosts and Is It Scary are NOTHING like Thriller in actual theme because they're just metaphors, whereas Thriller is literal.

His albums sounds nothing like the same. Each album has it's distinct sound. And each song on each album has its own charachter but there's something common in all the songs to keep the album together.

He does repeat himself lyrically(heal the world kinda songs, victimising woman songs etc) but sound and production wise he's always been exciting and different.

And vocally it's different too, which is what all the "I only like him up to Thriller" fans always whinge about.

Repetition seems to be a bad thing in pop music. AC/DC does the same thing,

anyway I don’t care about formulas, as long as the songs themselves are good. Invincible was just hot garbage, his worst effort on wax, ever…. it was a stale piece of shit, I'm sure rodney was a good guy, but MJ with his no effort attitude coulda made hot songs with the Neptunes.
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I find it pretty amusing how a pop superstar big as him, who has to be successful all the time, manages to induce a lot of genres in his songs and still be commercially succesfull with it.

Rock-done
Funk-done
Rnb-done
Gospel-done
Hip Hop-done
NeoClassic-done
Whatever morphine is-done

Michael Jackon is one very special guy, so just shut the fuck up!
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The whole Invincible debacle is one I'd like to forget. He never gave any of himself into that album. There were quite a few really good tracks, but they were exceptional flukes. There was no musical theme or anything to bring them all together.

hellomoto said:

Witty comeback

Ellie said:

That's why it should have sold more if it was promoted. It was just as disgusting as any big hit at the time.

Invincible is probably one of Michael's worst. Any objective Michael fan who isn't a teenager with their head in the clouds will tell you that. I love "You Rock My World" and "Unbreakable" as much as the next fan, but the album for me, was a big let down. I thought Nsync's "Celebrity" was more innovative than Invincible. "Dirty Pop" was more innovative than "You Rock My World."

Michael's problem I think is this, he hires hot producers, which is great, but by the time he finishes his album (3 years later) his hot producers sound way dated, and even the gimmick of hiring a hot producer is lost. Michael's best work was the stuff he did with Jimmy Jam and Dallas Austin on HIStory. At least it sounds timeless. 'Off The Wall' and "Thriller" are okay but I think unless you are still praying for the "Victory Tour Part 2" you realize both albums have their flaws.

I will buy any new Michael Jackson release. However, if it is like Invincible, I will be very disapointed. However, I think Invincible proved, even Michael, one of the best, can suffer wreckage. Invincible didy for Michael what any of Prince's 90's albums did for him. Meh.

I'd much rather hear an album of Michael's vaulted material re-released. If you buy "The Ultimate Collection" and listen to some of the "Previously Unreleased" stuff it will blow your mind. I've heard he has a stash of unreleased songs from the Dangerous album. WOWZA!!!

I think Michael would be best off..to put together an album of vaulted material with one or two new tracks. Have the 2 new tracks be produced by people like Paul Oakenfold and maybe even Jimmy Jam and Dallas Austin. Michael can make the "Smooth Criminal" video to the song for the tenth time, along the lines of "You Rock My World." The album would push big numbers and 5 years from now, people would be talking about how awesome it is, verses what a dud it was.

GangstaFam said:

i couldn't agree more...

Sdldawn said:

"Feel The World"

Feel the world, make it a better place, for you and me and the entire human race

[quote]

squiddyren said:

exactly, if mike IS gonna try and comeback he needa let that "i wanna make another thriller" shit go and just be real

Moonwalkbjrain said:

yes but not "too" real, we don't need another Charlie Wilson wanna be.....hey girl, how ya doin'? My name is Michael..last name Jackson...can I have your name and number...so I can call u up?...eee hee hee hee..!!!! Cha'mon girl, I said Cha'mon... gimme dat number..eee hee, whoo!!!"
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missfee said:

HAHAHAHAHA You made me laugh. Thank you!

jasonstar said:

well you are very welcome jason I aim to please

missfee said:

o man! that would be AWFUL! i actually like charlie's version tho, but thats what i mean - if mike did a song like that he'd still be chasing that thriller sucess. it'd be great if like - he gave himself the mindset of a starving artist, they wanna make it but still keep themselves in their work

squiddyren said:

Don't forget abotu 'Heartbreak Hotel' and 'Off The Wall' which also had the haunted house deal to some degree or other.

i hope someone is there to tell him NO don't do that with this song/album/video/life. i think that is what brings him down. There is no one around telling him Hey Mike that's a bad idea.
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Mike needs to give it a rest. He can't stage a comeback until he reforms his image. The quickest way to do so is to write his own music again. Sure he can buy a few songs from others. But he needs to write his own stuff not based on the top 40 either. Another thing he needs to do is get that damn jheri curl out of his head. That style is so played out! Let his hair grow back naturally and grow some facial hair. Look like a man for goodness sake! This would do volumes to help his image.

How does he find the time to record a new album with all the child molesting and plastic surgery he has on his schedule?

ReturnOfDOOK said:

TOUCHE'

ReturnOfDOOK said:

P.S. Hi Dook!

ReturnOfDOOK said:

Two Words..
Not Guilty

jasonstar said:

Off The Wall and Thriller are okay...You are kidding right??? So are you saying Bad and Dangerous are better albums? Just asking...

murph said:

so what if he was?..... id happen to agree

To be honest there are a lot of obstacles that MJ needs to shake before he can even entertain making another record...Of course there's the matter of his image which, right, wrong or innocent, has been tainted by a myriad of court cases and molestation charges...But more importantly, MJ's disturbing image and childhood obsessions (real or not) and the fact that he's more associated with the public's fascination as a tabloid king is perhaps his biggest roadblock...

Here is one of the great performers of our time and he is reduced to having to make a "comeback..." It's insane really...I dug MJ from his days with the Jacksons and Off The Wall to Thriller...I remember the frenzy that surrounded MJ...it was simply peerless in terms of impact and popularity...This raises the question...How did it come to this? To me that's a real tragedy...But there is something in me that still roots for the man...Mostly, I just want him to get some sanity in his life...
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