independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > madonna hung up drops to #27 week 3 could the album flop too??
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 2 of 2 <12
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Reply #30 posted 11/12/05 6:25am

VinnyM27

avatar

CynicKill said:

Wow all this hustling just to get a song that honestly should be a no-brainer hit, but isn't a sure bet, but why again?

To me she did quite a bit of promotion for the album. Sure it's not at the nauseating level of Britney Spears "In The Zone" promotion but she did her part. She was on Letterman. TRL. The video got a timely release. The phone commercial was a good teaser. They even released a "Hung Up" teaser online that they reported on the radio. The movie was shown on umpteen music channels. She did this video music awards thing. I mean honestly how much more can she do? How much more do sensible people expect her to do? It's no wonder Prince decided it wasn't worth it, even early in his career when he never really got the gist of record promotion. And who can blame him? In the end you have no cache. No respect. It's like you have to start all over again with every release. There's no reason that artists like Madonna, Prince or Janet should have to scratch and claw for radio airplay. There's no respect for veterans still putting out listenable material. It ain't right ya'll. It ain't right.


She did a lot of promtion...but never performed the song anywhere in the US. She is on Lettermen promoting an album that comes out in a month....why not perform the single?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #31 posted 11/12/05 9:37am

SassyBritches

the video was played 3 times on vh-1 from 630am to 745am the video. looks like radio is playing it more, too. and its moving up on itunes. i smell a hit.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #32 posted 11/12/05 10:11am

GangstaFam

SassyBritches said:

the video was played 3 times on vh-1 from 630am to 745am the video. looks like radio is playing it more, too. and its moving up on itunes. i smell a hit.

I actually saw that! nuts
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #33 posted 11/12/05 12:47pm

Tessa

avatar

VinnyM27 said:

CynicKill said:

Wow all this hustling just to get a song that honestly should be a no-brainer hit, but isn't a sure bet, but why again?

To me she did quite a bit of promotion for the album. Sure it's not at the nauseating level of Britney Spears "In The Zone" promotion but she did her part. She was on Letterman. TRL. The video got a timely release. The phone commercial was a good teaser. They even released a "Hung Up" teaser online that they reported on the radio. The movie was shown on umpteen music channels. She did this video music awards thing. I mean honestly how much more can she do? How much more do sensible people expect her to do? It's no wonder Prince decided it wasn't worth it, even early in his career when he never really got the gist of record promotion. And who can blame him? In the end you have no cache. No respect. It's like you have to start all over again with every release. There's no reason that artists like Madonna, Prince or Janet should have to scratch and claw for radio airplay. There's no respect for veterans still putting out listenable material. It ain't right ya'll. It ain't right.


She did a lot of promtion...but never performed the song anywhere in the US. She is on Lettermen promoting an album that comes out in a month....why not perform the single?



wasn't recovered from the horse-riding accident enough yet?
"I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #34 posted 11/12/05 8:09pm

728huey

avatar

VinnyM27 said:
asg said:
FunkyBrotha said:
There is no way this album will sell like music did. i predict 2million tops in the US. She just isnt popular there anymore. It will be a big fight between her and mariah for the number one spot i think. Mariah's 4th single from The Emancipation of Mimi is doing better than Madonna's and she hasnt even released Dont Forget About Us for download yet.


Well Kenny Chesney is projected to sell 600k+ albums this week

even if he falls the traditional 50-60% he might still be #1
ahead of both of them

Most artists dont release the download until the song has got enuff airplay or close to peakin on airplays. Thats madonnas mistake now the downloads have leveled off and the momentum is all but lost



I think those Chesney numbers are wishful thinking. He might debut at number one but he won't be there for two weeks. That being said, Madonna might not make it either. I've always said that this album will be a big hit or big dud (I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it doesn't get into the Top Five or if it reaches #1 with half a million sold). To me it doesn't look like WB is doing a great job promoting the disc....she should be on TV here and performing live!


If Madonna has to go up against Kenny Chesney, then there's no way her album is going to debut at number one. Having said that though, I do believe that she will have a reasonably strong debut, probably selling at least 200,000 copies and possibly selling 300,000. But Kenny Chesney will probably sell 400,000 copies, and he may just end up selling over a half million copies in the first week.

As for Mariah, she may sell over 150,000 copies based on her diehard fans alone, but special edition CD's don't have a long shelf life on the charts, mainly because people see them as repackaged versions of the CD's they have already bought, so I predict that after this week her sales will fall back to where they have been for the past few weeks.

typing
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #35 posted 11/12/05 8:49pm

asg

avatar

728huey said:

VinnyM27 said:
asg said:


I think those Chesney numbers are wishful thinking. He might debut at number one but he won't be there for two weeks. That being said, Madonna might not make it either. I've always said that this album will be a big hit or big dud (I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it doesn't get into the Top Five or if it reaches #1 with half a million sold). To me it doesn't look like WB is doing a great job promoting the disc....she should be on TV here and performing live!


If Madonna has to go up against Kenny Chesney, then there's no way her album is going to debut at number one. Having said that though, I do believe that she will have a reasonably strong debut, probably selling at least 200,000 copies and possibly selling 300,000. But Kenny Chesney will probably sell 400,000 copies, and he may just end up selling over a half million copies in the first week.

As for Mariah, she may sell over 150,000 copies based on her diehard fans alone, but special edition CD's don't have a long shelf life on the charts, mainly because people see them as repackaged versions of the CD's they have already bought, so I predict that after this week her sales will fall back to where they have been for the past few weeks.

typing



kennys album came out this past week and is projected to sell 600k plus in its first week madonnas will come coming tuesday

Typical drop off from first week is 50-60% so his second week will be in the 250-300k range

american life first week was 241k
but album sales have slumped in the last 2yrs due to legal downloads
Even b4 downloads recoed companies were seein physical singles killin album sales

I will get madonnas and mariahs projections on early wednesday
one week b4 the charts r compiled. These projections have been very accurate but in some rare cases have also strayed. 90% of the time the projections r accurate
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #36 posted 11/12/05 9:23pm

SassyBritches

how are record sales in general overseas? has the worldwide record industry seen the same decline in sales or is it more of an american thing?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #37 posted 11/13/05 1:03pm

Tessa

avatar

asg said:

728huey said:

VinnyM27 said:

If Madonna has to go up against Kenny Chesney, then there's no way her album is going to debut at number one. Having said that though, I do believe that she will have a reasonably strong debut, probably selling at least 200,000 copies and possibly selling 300,000. But Kenny Chesney will probably sell 400,000 copies, and he may just end up selling over a half million copies in the first week.

As for Mariah, she may sell over 150,000 copies based on her diehard fans alone, but special edition CD's don't have a long shelf life on the charts, mainly because people see them as repackaged versions of the CD's they have already bought, so I predict that after this week her sales will fall back to where they have been for the past few weeks.

typing



kennys album came out this past week and is projected to sell 600k plus in its first week madonnas will come coming tuesday

Typical drop off from first week is 50-60% so his second week will be in the 250-300k range

american life first week was 241k
but album sales have slumped in the last 2yrs due to legal downloads



yes, but legal downloads of albums count toward the charts
"I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #38 posted 11/13/05 1:07pm

lilgish

avatar

Hey, asq it seems like you want her not to get a #1? am I right?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #39 posted 11/13/05 1:20pm

jasonstar

If it flops..we would only be so lucky.

She has way to much power and respect in the music industry these days.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #40 posted 11/13/05 1:21pm

lilgish

avatar

jasonstar said:

If it flops..we would only be so lucky.

She has way to much power and respect in the music industry these days.


If that's the case why did American Life flop?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #41 posted 11/13/05 2:12pm

SassyBritches

SassyBritches said:

how are record sales in general overseas? has the worldwide record industry seen the same decline in sales or is it more of an american thing?


ok, so um, how are record sales in general overseas? has the worldwide record industry seen the same decline in sales or is it more of an american thing?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #42 posted 11/13/05 2:44pm

jasonstar

lilgish said:

jasonstar said:

If it flops..we would only be so lucky.

She has way to much power and respect in the music industry these days.


If that's the case why did American Life flop?


Oh that is true! smile

I forgot about that one. Oh well I still think she has too much power. I think Xtina or Christina whatever she goes by these days is much more talented vocally and much better to look at.

Have you seen Madonna's new video? I mean ewww.

As for a review of her new song/album..

Chris Randall (Formally of Sister Machine Gun) had this to say on his blog and I agree 1000 percent:

"Sometimes it's kind of cute/quaint when multi-mega-uber-stars decide they want to go all street/underground/urban/whatever. Sometimes it's even really fucking cool. (Witness Bowie's Earthling record for an example of the latter.) But sometimes it's just fucking sad. I don't know why the hell that video is getting propers; it is one of the nastiest things I've seen, and none of the people "grooving" to the "phat beatz" would be caught dead actually dancing to that track, unless they were being paid. It's a long way from groundbreaking, that's for fucking sure. But someone like Madonna is as close as the industry has to a sure thing these days, so every time she gets a wild hare up her ass to do some bullshit "street cred" piece of shite, everyone must bow and swoon. But I'm here to tell you: the Emporer doesn't even have old clothes worth a shit, let alone new ones. All the breakdancers in the world won't save these tired-ass beats."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #43 posted 11/13/05 2:54pm

Tessa

avatar

jasonstar said:

lilgish said:



If that's the case why did American Life flop?


Oh that is true! smile

I forgot about that one. Oh well I still think she has too much power. I think Xtina or Christina whatever she goes by these days is much more talented vocally and much better to look at.


it's really cute when people undercut their own lame opinion with something like this. you're right up there with asg saying "who cares about Brtiney anyway? Lindsay Lohan is the same thing bug 10 times better."


good job clapping
"I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #44 posted 11/13/05 2:57pm

lilgish

avatar

jasonstar said:

lilgish said:



If that's the case why did American Life flop?


Oh that is true! smile

I forgot about that one. Oh well I still think she has too much power. I think Xtina or Christina whatever she goes by these days is much more talented vocally and much better to look at.

Have you seen Madonna's new video? I mean ewww.

As for a review of her new song/album..

Chris Randall (Formally of Sister Machine Gun) had this to say on his blog and I agree 1000 percent:

"Sometimes it's kind of cute/quaint when multi-mega-uber-stars decide they want to go all street/underground/urban/whatever. Sometimes it's even really fucking cool. (Witness Bowie's Earthling record for an example of the latter.) But sometimes it's just fucking sad. I don't know why the hell that video is getting propers; it is one of the nastiest things I've seen, and none of the people "grooving" to the "phat beatz" would be caught dead actually dancing to that track, unless they were being paid. It's a long way from groundbreaking, that's for fucking sure. But someone like Madonna is as close as the industry has to a sure thing these days, so every time she gets a wild hare up her ass to do some bullshit "street cred" piece of shite, everyone must bow and swoon. But I'm here to tell you: the Emporer doesn't even have old clothes worth a shit, let alone new ones. All the breakdancers in the world won't save these tired-ass beats."


I think it's a really good song, disposable, but good and fun. Fun is what we need now in this world of 50 cent. The look of the video does not match the content, but I like the idea. The last dance segment is such an obvious attempt at creating something gay friendly that it doesn't seem cutting edge but something really embarrassing if you had to do it in real life.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #45 posted 11/13/05 7:36pm

asg

avatar

Tessa said:

asg said:




kennys album came out this past week and is projected to sell 600k plus in its first week madonnas will come coming tuesday

Typical drop off from first week is 50-60% so his second week will be in the 250-300k range

american life first week was 241k
but album sales have slumped in the last 2yrs due to legal downloads



yes, but legal downloads of albums count toward the charts



I dont know if legal downloads count but they r inconsequential at this moment in time because itunes reported 98% of thier sales r from singles and only 2% of cash sales represent full album downloads.

My point is not that cd sales r lower becasue of album downloads but ppl just buy as the singles which r hits. So singles traditionally which generated close to no direct cash benefit now do contribute real cash but at the same time the lower the album sales
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #46 posted 11/13/05 8:39pm

ehuffnsd

avatar

asg said:

Tessa said:




yes, but legal downloads of albums count toward the charts



I dont know if legal downloads count but they r inconsequential at this moment in time because itunes reported 98% of thier sales r from singles and only 2% of cash sales represent full album downloads.

My point is not that cd sales r lower becasue of album downloads but ppl just buy as the singles which r hits. So singles traditionally which generated close to no direct cash benefit now do contribute real cash but at the same time the lower the album sales



let's think of it this way. AL sold 240k the first week on bad press. let's say that's Mads hardcore base. I'm sure those people will by Confessions On A Dancefloor. Add to that everyone who has read the good press i'm sure the first week sales will be up.
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #47 posted 11/13/05 9:59pm

Dewrede

avatar

one can only hope razz
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #48 posted 11/13/05 10:13pm

SassyBritches

SassyBritches said:

SassyBritches said:

how are record sales in general overseas? has the worldwide record industry seen the same decline in sales or is it more of an american thing?


ok, so um, how are record sales in general overseas? has the worldwide record industry seen the same decline in sales or is it more of an american thing?

ok, look people...all this freaking talk about record sales and nobody can answer my fucking question? geez... lol

anyway, if record sales worldwide are dwindling, then it doesn't make much sense that she is focusing on european outlets for promotion. however, if it is solely an american phemonemon, it makes perfect sense for her to focus promotional efforts in countries that still sell records.

in addition to this, the record is destined to be a big hit overseas based on sound and style alone. she is a smart business woman. she's made europe her home and she is going to focus on that first. if americans aren't buying cds, there's no point wasting too much time here when she could be selling more over there.

in the end, money is money. if she can sell 2 million copies in europe it is still 2 million copies, regardless of where the sale takes place.

.
[Edited 11/13/05 22:14pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #49 posted 11/13/05 10:20pm

GangstaFam

SassyBritches said:

SassyBritches said:



ok, so um, how are record sales in general overseas? has the worldwide record industry seen the same decline in sales or is it more of an american thing?

ok, look people...all this freaking talk about record sales and nobody can answer my fucking question? geez... lol

anyway, if record sales worldwide are dwindling, then it doesn't make much sense that she is focusing on european outlets for promotion. however, if it is solely an american phemonemon, it makes perfect sense for her to focus promotional efforts in countries that still sell records.

in addition to this, the record is destined to be a big hit overseas based on sound and style alone. she is a smart business woman. she's made europe her home and she is going to focus on that first. if americans aren't buying cds, there's no point wasting too much time here when she could be selling more over there.

in the end, money is money. if she can sell 2 million copies in europe it is still 2 million copies, regardless of where the sale takes place.



I think she'll do just fine here. I never listen to the radio, but she's getting played like crazy on the video channels. And she was #5 on TRL the other day! omg The kiddies just love her!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #50 posted 11/13/05 10:22pm

ehuffnsd

avatar

GangstaFam said:

SassyBritches said:


ok, look people...all this freaking talk about record sales and nobody can answer my fucking question? geez... lol

anyway, if record sales worldwide are dwindling, then it doesn't make much sense that she is focusing on european outlets for promotion. however, if it is solely an american phemonemon, it makes perfect sense for her to focus promotional efforts in countries that still sell records.

in addition to this, the record is destined to be a big hit overseas based on sound and style alone. she is a smart business woman. she's made europe her home and she is going to focus on that first. if americans aren't buying cds, there's no point wasting too much time here when she could be selling more over there.

in the end, money is money. if she can sell 2 million copies in europe it is still 2 million copies, regardless of where the sale takes place.



I think she'll do just fine here. I never listen to the radio, but she's getting played like crazy on the video channels. And she was #5 on TRL the other day! omg The kiddies just love her!



Number 4 on Friday... and currently #1 on USA Itunes!
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #51 posted 11/13/05 10:29pm

asg

avatar

SassyBritches said:

SassyBritches said:



ok, so um, how are record sales in general overseas? has the worldwide record industry seen the same decline in sales or is it more of an american thing?




I dont know how record sales r in europe but in general in europe and teh rest of the world older artists have a chance to have a hit. In US if u r older they will ignore u totally just look at george michael he hardly sells any records here in the US but continues to have hits in the UK. Even MJs hits collections went to #2 in UK. its just US record companies awlays looking for the next best thing and ignore the vintage acts.

Airplay is just manipulated by 1-2 companies clearchannel and infitiny ( its part of viacom same as mtv vh1) The play list is controlled by very few people
so basically just a handful of ppl determine what should be played. There is absolutely no competition
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #52 posted 11/13/05 10:35pm

ehuffnsd

avatar

asg said:

SassyBritches said:





I dont know how record sales r in europe but in general in europe and teh rest of the world older artists have a chance to have a hit. In US if u r older they will ignore u totally just look at george michael he hardly sells any records here in the US but continues to have hits in the UK. Even MJs hits collections went to #2 in UK. its just US record companies awlays looking for the next best thing and ignore the vintage acts.

Airplay is just manipulated by 1-2 companies clearchannel and infitiny ( its part of viacom same as mtv vh1) The play list is controlled by very few people
so basically just a handful of ppl determine what should be played. There is absolutely no competition


but MTV loves Madonna and she is getting play there. so i'm sure their will be an uptick America is a little slow.
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #53 posted 11/17/05 10:04pm

jn2

jasonstar said:

If it flops..we would only be so lucky.

She has way to much power and respect in the music industry these days.
More than Michael smile
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 2 of 2 <12
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > madonna hung up drops to #27 week 3 could the album flop too??