speeddemon said:

But those things are not nearly as bad as going on trial for molesting a child and facing 30 years in prison,wouldn't you agree?

DavidEye said:

defienetly agree, and plus i thought the madonna/ britney kiss was great, not desperate. and an english accent isnt really freakish, and a fascination on jewish sect isnt disturbing either.

hellomoto said:

There were tons of collaborators on HIStory. Jam & Lewis, R Kelly, Dallas Austin, bruce Swedien, he recorded 2 cover versions on there. I dont think its that bad an album, Stranger in Moscow and They Dont Care About Us are stunning, but its not close to Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad or Dangerous.

Opinions are personal, and subjective, record sales dont tell the whole picture so all i will say is look at it in this respect: As fans, which group do you think are going to be more satisfied by each artists output over the last decade.

MJ who's been on 1 European tour, released 2 studio albums and 1 remix album, made about 8 music videos, made a couple of charity singles, appeared in one novelty movie, received lackluster reviews, appeared in a controversial TV documentary about themselves, and been in and out of court for about 2 years.

OR

Madonna, whos been on 2 world tours, released 4 studio albums, one soundtrack album, received the best reviews of her career, made 18 music videos, released lots of non-studio album singles, appeared in 3 movies (2 not so good, 1 great), released a really nice tour documentary, won countless awards from a Golden Globe to Grammies & MTV awards, given countless live performances and mini gigs, and generally improved her public profile no end.

Now as a Madonna fan Im extremely satisfied, as an MJ fan Im extremely disappointed.

nevamind
[Edited 11/8/05 3:23am]

CrozzaUK said:

oh i agree, its defiently not great to be an mj fan at the moment, defiently not great. but im also having trouble being a madonna fan, mainly due to my opinon of lackluster albums. i dont think michaels had a lucklaster album yet, he had an average one, but not bad.

but back on history michael wrote and composed 7 of the songs by himself and collaborated on 5. on bad he wrote 7 of the songs as well, but on bad there were only 9 songs on the whole album, so he really has been doing the same amount of work on his albums since bad. well not including invincible of course. actually hes been doing more work as he produced on dangerous and history unlike bad which quincy did.

LightOfArt said:

please do, id like to hear what you were gonna say

hellomoto said:

As a music fan, not an MJ fan, not a madonna fan, not a prince fan, but as a music fan I can say that to my ears Invincible was dreadful. Unlistenable as an album. Some good songs yes, but i have never, not once played that album through. When i say that, im referring to the fact that i heard hardly any MJ at all. I heard an artist who was very scared of losing their status and reputation, and artist scared of getting left behind, not an artist comfortable and confident in their own abilities. He was creating for the sake of contractual obligation, not because he enjoyed making music anymore.

Whatever you may say about madonna, her albums never sound like this. That is why she has to change her sound and try new things, to keep herself interested in what she's doing and enjoying it too.

hellomoto said:

ok

I was gonna say, just because HIStory Tour didnt have z US date doesnt mean it was just a european tour. US is not the centre of the world you know.It sold out stadiums everywhere.That tour was watched by 4.5 million people around the world. More than Madonna's last 2 tours combined I guess.

GOD I hate that woman....
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LightOfArt said:

Sorry that was my ignorance. I did actually think he only did dates in europe, but thats my memory telling me lies. Ive just checked it out and realised i was wrong.

MartyMcFly said:

so that would make you a hateful person then wouldnt it, guess youll just have to live with that fact for the rest of your life. A word of advice, its much easier to go through life not hating people, youll find youll get a lot more out of it.

CrozzaUK said:

You don't understand... I don't hate "people"... I just hate Madonna... with a fuckin' vengeance... that's all...

MartyMcFly said:

She has a song on her new album for you.It's called "Like It Or Not"

TotalAlisa said:

My eyes!!!!!

dag said:

What's your point exactly? Madonna was there to perform. Of course she was there to show off. And what was rude about it? That African girl just had to stand there to pull on our heartstrings. I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make.

MartyMcFly said:

How very rational of you.

MartyMcFly said:

Well , as you can see ... she did + she thanked all the other artists and the audience who contributed to help people from starving in Africa . THAT's my point , THAT is what LIVE8 is supposed to be meant for and finally + clearly THAT is what you probably don't get
Things like who sold more than who and more of that superficial rubbish are nothing compared to that helping gesture for people in need

Tessa said:

Thank you!

100MPH said:

It must be great to be as UN-cynical as you... Madonna was there for ONE reason only... to promote her own saggy ass...

well, of course Madonna was there to show off, but her saying "are you f****n ready?" and other stuff, I found too desperate for attention. Don´t get me wrong, I can use bad language too, when I get upset, but I don´t like when people use it to get attention. Anyways, bad language or not, that wasn´t my point anyway. I just wanted to say that the girl´s presence just standing there was much stronger (to me) than Madonna´s performance. I don´t know how to explain it better.

MartyMcFly said:

Whatever ....

You omitted one word from the title. Obviously should read "Madonna is The Shit". How very, very devilish of you. Your post just smacks of ignorance, doo doo-feces.

100MPH said:

MartyMcFly said:

wtf is that?

MartyMcFly said:

someone is going to poop on her?

Christopher said:

Someone damn well should...

MartyMcFly said:

MartyMcFly said:

over-enthusiastic double-post edit
[Edited 11/10/05 6:37am]

LightOfArt said:

I think both of their songs suck how about that. Some of Madonna's stuff is just as trite as Mariah's. The only difference is Mariah seems to know and not care how trite her music is. Hung Up is hardly a lyrical masterpiece is just as crappy lyrically as It's Like That.