lilgish said:

It wan in alphabetical order.

GoldenGlove said:

more likely chronological.

lilgish said:

If you like.

Madonna and Prince have two things incommon.
First - egoism.
Second- dogma.. They think that because they are celebrities, they can tell people how to live, how to behave, what to think, and they are the ones who did just the opposite in the past of what they are now so vigorously preaching.
I don't care about their dogmatic religious beliefs, they are musicians, not preachers. Listening to their crap make me sick.
Think what you want for yourself, but don't let your self-importance or your guru-dogma-religion fanatism manage your or other people's life.

Ego-wise Madonna is probably more down to earth than MJ or P. I know that's hard to believe.

Michael is a Megalomaniac and P is just a straight up ass. I love them and I dig their ego's, but honestly Madonna seems less the bullshitter.

Prince is better now, but both him and MJ don't come across that well during interviews.

Prince also seems to take himself way to seriously. I rather hang with MJ and Madge than P.
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lilgish said:

I agree she's more down to earth but she is also a pure product with very good marketing and she knows what to say when she wants her publicity. The difference is that P doesnt care what others will think so..

lilgish said:

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GoldenGlove said:

I love you goldenglove but Prince wouldn't even acknowledge you if you spent 5 minutes in a room with him, MJ might give you a hug, Madonna might look at you if you're hot, but Prince doesn't like teenage males, females however
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lilgish said:

i see what your saying, but would personally rather hang with P.

Eye said:

I'm not even in to her like that, so whatever,



hardly, the whole musicology era was a "please love me" era

lilgish said:

I TOTALLY disagree!! The musicology era was an attempt to bring "real music" back to the masses and back in the mainstream.

GoldenGlove said:

stop drinking the Kool Aid man, it was about praise and dollars. It's the same shit he tried with to do with Rave, but that wasn't such a success.

lilgish said:

We will just have to agree to disagree i'm afraid.

GoldenGlove said:

oh, too bad cause I really wanted to change your mind

lilgish said:

Personally, Sammy Davis, Jr. comes to mind first for me. I have no insight into who comes to mind first for others, nor have I ever gauged who gets mentioned first. I do agree that for the most part "street dancers" or non-traditionally trained dancers don't get the respect they should get. If it weren't for them Mikey wouldn't have most of the moves he does.
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lilgish said:

I agree on that. That is realy Prince repeating himself on that album.

GoldenGlove said:

Now THAT'S bullshit. That description practically describes almost everyone in entertainment...or on the org But seriously Name one person who fits THAT description, has been around over 25 years and is STILL huge and has REMAINED huge for the whole time.

Answer: No One

And I still ask you WHY is she bigger than MJ or Prince if she is SO untalented.

kisscamille said:

Only just seen this thread so apologies for only responding now, but finally its nice to find someone else who thinks the same as me. I've never understood why Madonna got so huge. With her it was just right time, right place when her fame took off. Hardly ever writes any songs herself, copies from everyone else around her, terrible singer, worse actress....i could go on. Good thread GG.

hellomoto said:

what... are you on crack? her #1 songs aren't well-known?

Like A Virgin
Crazy For You
Live To Tell
Papa Don't Preach
Open Your Heart
Who's That Girl
Like A Prayer
Vogue
Justify My Love
This Used To Be My Playground
Take A Bow
Music


yeah, nobody remembers those


and Take A Bow was a monster of a hit. in fact, it hovered around the middle of the top 10 for weeks before going on to several weeks at #1. it's her biggest hit ever. if it wasn't a hit in whatever province or hellhole you're living in, that's not my problem and doesn't make you right.

I can't believe someone actually wrote that Madonna was a top-notch songwriter. I wouldn't go so far as to say she's talentless but her songwriting skills are not impressive. She's fairly average as a singer/dancer (sometimes an awful singer, sometimes she can actually hold a tune), not the best musician, she's above average as a performer, exceptional at marketing herself and there's something about her that draws people in. I like her but I don't take her that seriously.

Tessa said:

only 5 of her number ones are classics, music, vogue, like a prayer, papa dont preacj and like a virgin. most of her other classics didnt make number one. and i wouldnt call the uk a hell hole. take a bow is only her biggest hit in america, its not a classic anywhere else. and yes im right. im always right.

hellomoto said:

i've seen the food you people eat there. if that doesn't define hellhole, i don't know what does

before 1983 Madonna= Mother of Jesus
after 1983 Madonna= American pop superstar

Madonna was the first straight celebrity to appear on the advocate
Madonna was one of the fist celebrities to say AIDS in 1985 when her friend Martin Bourgouyne died of AIDS
Madonna was one of the first celebrities to talk about safe sex
Madonna was one of the first celebrities to included a safe sex message in her shows
the word wannabe was added to the Webster's dictionary to discrip the girls across the world that wanted to be Madonna and dressed like her'
Madonna had one of the first gay kisses in a mainstream movie

GoldenGlove said:

"Rock With You" was written by Rod Temperton!



It's obvious you can't judge objectively, young man. You're suffering from prejudices.




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hellomoto said:

into the groove isn't a classic?

superspaceboy said:[quote]

GoldenGlove said:

Concerning Prince, she uses and manipulates mass media, unlike him, who is more of a creative and artistic person.
Concerning MJ, that's simple: she's never been bigger or as big as MJ! A proof?

Sales For The Week Ending October 30th, 2005. Billboard Issue Date: November 12th, 2005.

*Note: This tally does not include sales for The Ultimate Collection (4 CD/1 DVD), single sales, certain music DVD titles (eg. The One, Dangerous: The Short Films, etc.), material recorded with The Jacksons, and Motown era solo and Jackson 5 albums. Weekly sales information for those titles is not available at this time.

Rank, Title, Sales This Week, Sales Last Week, +/- percentage

Michael Jackson - 14,908 units (Sales Estimate)

Notes: Some gains this week, with the biggest percentage gain going to the two HIStory editions. A found-out figure for the Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour DVD - through the week ending October 16th (Billboard Issue Date October 29th, 2005) chart week - it had scanned around 37,170 units to date. Therefore, it's current cumulative sales should be around 40,000 units based on the roughly 2,000 units the DVD shifts each week. Of course, let's not forget 62k copies of the Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour DVD are already sold through The Ultimate Collection (4 CD/1 DVD) boxed set.

Since SoundScan figures aren't available for Live In Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour, we can only estimate how much it sold based on the chart ranking of the Number Ones DVD on the Billboard Comprehensive Music Videos Chart.

1. Number Ones: 3,346 (+4%) (Cumulative sales: 992,632 units. Thanks hope)
2. The Essential (2 CD): 2,647 (Sales Estimate) (Note: The Essential has scanned 5,295 units over the past two weeks, therefore, this week's 2,647 sales estimate is based on dividing that 5,295 figure by two.) (Cumulative sales: 81,445 units)
3. Number Ones (DVD/Video): 2,696 (+8%) (Move up 19-16 on the Billboard Comprehensive Music Videos Chart, 84 weeks on the chart)
4. Thriller: 1,896 (+11.5%)
5. Live In Bucharest - The Dangerous Tour (Video): (Sales Estimate: 1,800 units) (Moves down 24-29 on the Billboard Comprehensive Music Videos Chart, 14 weeks on the chart)
6. Greatest Hits: HIStory Volume 1: 848 (+20%)
7. Off The Wall: 463 (-7.5%)
8. Greatest Hits: HIStory (Video): 434 (+15%)
9. HIStory on Film- Volume 2: 242 (-13%)
10. Bad: 196 (+3.5%)
11. Dangerous: 115 (-32.5%)
12. HIStory (2 CD): 105 (+46%)
13. Invincible: 103 (-20%)
14. Blood On The Dance Floor: 17 (-26%)

BONUS!

"Thriller" - Hot Digital Songs
Week #03 (12/10/05): #36 (Re-Entry) (Sales: 9,496 units) (Last Week's Sales: 4,151 units) (+129%) (Cumulative sales: 150,086 units)

"Thriller" - Hot Ringtones
Week #03 (05/10/05): #17
Week #04 (12/10/05): #8

(Thanks enrico)

Madonna - 6,420 units

Notes: The Immaculate Collection drops back a little bit, but most ofthe albums/EPs saw increases. Like other acts with new albums, the mnost recent album (in thiscase, American Life) should benefit most from the new album. Also, maybe the documentary raised a litle interest (as the title track's performance from the last tour was pretty darn great).

1. The Immaculate Collection: 2,554 (-14%)
2. GHV2: 487 (+11%)
3. Ray Of Light: 329 (+4%)
4. American Life: 324 (+16%)
5. Like A Virgin: 267 (-6%)
6. Something To Remember: 223 (-3%)
7. Music: 224 (+8%)
8. The Immaculate Collection (Video): 202 (-3%)
9. Remixed & Revisited: 190 (+7%)
10. True Blue: 187 (-12%)
11. Madonna: 176 (-7%)
12. Like A Prayer: 152 (-21%)
13. Erotica: 134 (+25%)
14. Ciao, Italia: Live From Italy (Video): 128 (-9%)
15. Drowned World Tour 2001 (Video): 114 (+4%)
16. The Video Collection 93:99 (Video): 110 (+15%)
17. You Can Dance: 99 (+29%)
18. Bedtime Stories: 85 (+18%)
19. Girlie Show: Live Down Under (Video): 71 (+8%)
20. I'm Breathless: 59 (+9%)
21. Evita: 54 (+20%)
22. Me Against The Music (Single): 43 (+10%)
23. Love Profusion (Single): 43 (+5%)
24. Hollywood (Single): 40 (-)
25. What It Feels Like For a Girl (Single): 29 (+38%)
26. American Life (Single): 27 (+8%)
27. Nothing Fails (Single): 24 (-35%)
28. Vogue (Single): 23 (+109%)
29. Die Another Day (Single): 22 (-31%)

A single that sells 500.000 units isn't a monster hit, no matter how many it spent at #1 (due to massive airplay on Pop and AC radios.).
Usher's You Make Me Wanna, that never spent a week at #1, sold 2.3 million copies. That's a monster hit.

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superspaceboy said:

If your good looking, determined, sexy, nice voice, and a massive attention seeker then the world is your oyster.

dolphin1974 said:

Thanks you!!