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Printableminneapolisgenius said: You may have to dumb it down for some of use though.  That last post of your went right over my head.  (me not knowing anything about songwriting and all)
Psychoacoustics?    
You been tellin' me you're a genius Since you were seventeen In all the time I've known you I still don't know what you mean The weekend at the college Didn't turn out like you planned The things that pass for knowledge I can't understand Would you like to sign up for personal tutoring? 
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theAudience said: minneapolisgenius said: You may have to dumb it down for some of us though. That last post of your went right over my head. (me not knowing anything about songwriting and all)
Psychoacoustics?
You been tellin' me you're a genius Since you were seventeen In all the time I've known you I still don't know what you mean The weekend at the college Didn't turn out like you planned The things that pass for knowledge I can't understand Would you like to sign up for personal tutoring?
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431  Funny you post those particular lyrics, because those are some of my favorites. 
And yes, where's the sign-up sheet? 
editing my spelling edit  [Edited 10/21/05 7:14am] "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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well the danger on the rocks is to pass (if thats a lyrical faux paus i'm sorry i've always thought thats what he said)
still i remain tied to the mast could it be that i have found my home at last home at last.... | |
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diamondpearl1 said: well the danger on the rocks is to pass (if thats a lyrical faux paus i'm sorry i've always thought thats what he said)
Well the danger on the rocks is surely past. You were close. 
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Thanks for this insightful article.  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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 I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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theAudience said: Aah, the "MU" chord. I've always been impressed with their chord voicings.
The voicings on guitar especially. Check Negative Girl for example. Some years ago I had to do arrangements for 2 SD tunes from Aja (Peg and Black Cow). A section of the background vocals for Peg (regarding the intervals being used) had me stumped for a sec. fall, shutter falls all in 3-D foreign movie Michael McDonald's comment that, "the harmonies (voicings) are so close." is dead on. This Howard Wright fellow is on the money. It's interesting that he chose the "MU chord" version split right at The Royal Scam material. IMO, this is the release where they found the sound that they continued to massage on subsequent albums through Everything Must Go. Howard has written some interesting articles on psychoacoustics. Along with Diane Deutsch's... 
...The Psychology of Music, you'll get an understanding of how the human body reacts to music/sound. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 that sounds interesting | |
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tiffany pulls out her steely dan music to listen to | |
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"I stepped up on the platform, A man gave me the news, He said, "You must be joking, son! Where did you get those shoes?" " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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paligap said: ...
"I stepped up on the platform, A man gave me the news, He said, "You must be joking, son! Where did you get those shoes?" Well, I've seen 'em on the TV, the movie show They say the times are changing...but I just don't know These things are gone forever, Over a long time ago, oh yeah.... "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: paligap said: ...
"I stepped up on the platform, A man gave me the news, He said, "You must be joking, son! Where did you get those shoes?" Well, I've seen 'em on the TV, the movie show They say the times are changing...but I just don't know These things are gone forever, Over a long time ago, oh yeah....
btw, Donald Fagen claimed that the song, "Pretzel Logic" was about time travel. In an interview, he pointed specifically to the line, "I stepped up on the platform, a man gave me the news..." and he said, "We thought of the platform as a kind of teleportation device"; and he also pointed to the line, "I've Never met Napoleon, but I plan to find the time..." as another key phrase in the song... ... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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paligap said: minneapolisgenius said: Well, I've seen 'em on the TV, the movie show They say the times are changing...but I just don't know These things are gone forever, Over a long time ago, oh yeah....
btw, Donald Fagen claimed that the song, "Pretzel Logic" was about time travel. In an interview, he pointed specifically to the line, "I stepped up on the platform, a man gave me the news..." and he said, "We thought of the platform as a kind of teleportation device"; and he also pointed to the line, "I've Never met Napoleon, but I plan to find the time..." as another key phrase in the song... ... so what is "babylon sisters" about? its my favorite of theirs but i never took to time to listen to all the lyrics. | |
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brownsugar said: so what is "babylon sisters" about? its my favorite of theirs but i never took to time to listen to all the lyrics. I'm not sure, exactly, but I always took it to be a commentary on their lifestyle at the time...(Donald and Walter have always had a fascination with women much younger than them...probably what Hey Ninteen, among others , is about) but in some notes about the album, Walter Becker did mention during the recording of that album (Gaucho) they were (or he was) supposed to hook up with two beautiful young waitresses...if you look at the decadence that was going on in L.A., (the "Coke" years as Walter now calls them) those two might represent the Babylon Sisters (assuming L.A. was Babylon)...check the lyrics and let me know if you can make out that or some other scenario(for example, it might just be a fictional story about some older guy hooking up with two young women?)... Babylon Sisters Drive west on Sunset to the sea Turn that jungle music down Just until we're out of town This is no one night stand It's a real occassion Close your eyes and you'll be there It's everything they say The end of a perfect day Distant lights from across the bay Babylon sisters shake it Babylon sisters shake it So fine, so young Tell me I'm the only one Here come those Santa Anna winds again We'll jog with show folk on the sand Drink kirschwasser from a shell San Francisco Show and Tell Well I should know by now That it's just a spasm Like a Sunday in T.J. That it's cheap but it's not free That I'm not what I used to be And that love's not a game for three [chorus] [solo] My friends say no don't go for that cotton candy Son you're playing with fire The kid will live and learn As he watched all his bridges burn From the point of no return [chorus] ... [Edited 10/21/05 12:56pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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paligap said: He states that it is the consistent/constant use of what the Dan call (using their own innovative term) the Mu Major Chord (which for music theory buffs is basically a major triad with an added major 2nd).
Love when it's broken down like that. | |
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 I'm so late on a Steely Dan thread! Busy at work...must read later! | |
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My friend and I were just talking about Steely Dan's ability to take the standard 12 bar blues form and expand on them - not only obvious things, like Pretzel Logic and Chained Lightning but also a tune like Peg... ... [Edited 10/21/05 12:54pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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I LOVE STEELY DAN. AJA is just my favorite PEG....It WILL COME BACK TO YOU... Then The SHUTTER FALLS..You SEE It ALL On 3D..It's My FAVORITE FOREIGN MOVIE.... HA.... And Josie is really cool not to mention FM. The Donald FAGEN NIGHTYFLY album I Love also. He's really COOL! | |
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Whatever the explanation is; it doesn't matter. Steely Dan is always cool. test | |
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Threads like this are the reason why I LOVE the org 
...now I know EXACTLY what I'm slipping into the DVD player later! | |
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Is an added 2nd different from an added 9th?
I guess if it is voiced between the tonic & the 3rd rather than an octave higher? So weird how harmony works. A major triad with a 2nd would not sound good by itself, but in the right context it's Steely Dan. Check this song out at:
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andyman91 said: Is an added 2nd different from an added 9th?
I guess if it is voiced between the tonic & the 3rd rather than an octave higher? You are correct sir. 
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paligap said: ...
My friend and I were just talking about Steely Dan's ability to take the standard 12 bar blues form and expand on them - not only obvious things, like Pretzel Logic and Chained Lightning but also a tune like Peg... ... [Edited 10/21/05 12:54pm] You removed his name but he better start posting. 
And yeah, the Peg verse structure is a definite blues form. It's those chord voicings again that give it interest. tA Tribal Disorder
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Steely Dan's "Aja" and Donald Fagen's "Kamakiriad" are both in my top twenty favorite albums of all time. It breaks my heart that there wasn't room in that list for "Pretzel Logic" or "Gaucho" buth there's a lot of music out there.
Yeah, I do enjoy some Dan.... | |
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theAudience said: paligap said: ...
My friend and I were just talking about Steely Dan's ability to take the standard 12 bar blues form and expand on them - not only obvious things, like Pretzel Logic and Chained Lightning but also a tune like Peg... You removed his name but he better start posting.
That's right! That why I removed LA's name , it's time he did some postin', dammit! 'Dat mofo was supposed to jump in on This thread!!!
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paligap said: That's right!
That why I removed LA's name , it's time he did some postin', dammit! 'Dat mofo was supposed to jump in on This thread!!!
... Tell him he's still got the "xxxxx xxxxx - A Man and his Steak" story hanging over his head.
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paligap said: minneapolisgenius said: Well, I've seen 'em on the TV, the movie show They say the times are changing...but I just don't know These things are gone forever, Over a long time ago, oh yeah....
btw, Donald Fagen claimed that the song, "Pretzel Logic" was about time travel. In an interview, he pointed specifically to the line, "I stepped up on the platform, a man gave me the news..." and he said, "We thought of the platform as a kind of teleportation device"; and he also pointed to the line, "I've Never met Napoleon, but I plan to find the time..." as another key phrase in the song... ... Interesting. I always wondered why he was singing about Napoleon. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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I recently been introduced to a lot of Steely Dan outtakes and unreleased songs in which sound very good. I wonder why these were not put on the Citizen Dan boxset.  | |
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They are playimng HEY 19 Right now on the radio. I forgot about that song. The CUERVO GOLD.... | |
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Does anybody remember the Steely Dan tune "Time Out of Mind" that was released in 1981? Just got through listening it a few minutes ago. Great song, it brings back great memories.  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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At work I was listening to a syndicated rock show called "In the Deep In" where they play mostly album cuts " not just the hits" from famous artist. They played 2 S.D. songs "Haitian Divorce" and " The Fez" and I found out that "The Fez" was a song about having sex with a condom.
But I shouldn't be so surprised cuz of their wide range of topics for songs. |
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