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The Steely Dan Sound

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interesting article on the Dan sound and the "Mu Chord" from AllaboutJazz.com:


That Grand Dan Sound: Why Everyone Knows Steely Dan When They Hear Them

By Eric Pettine



Ok, so Miles Davis, Charlie Mingus, Thelonius Monk and Dave Brubeck used them throughout the 1950s. In the 1960s and most of the 1970s, adventurous and ambitious horn-adorned groups like Chicago and Blood, Sweat and Tears also experimented successfully with them too. But we're talking cool chords (and their various permutations) here folks, not drugs.

Those of us who are rabid and avid Dan Fans know just how important and unique the literary aspect of the Dan's music is. The wondrous word/phrase inventions (”squonks tears”, “Custerdome”, or “Bodacious Cowboys”), the loony lines (”I'm never gonna do it without the Fez on”), and the wicked wit (”Throw out the hardware let's do it right” or “I jumped out of my easy chair - it was not my own!”) remain unparalleled by even the biggest winners in the (musical) world.

But, how about that Steely Dan sound, ladies and gentlemen? Just how did they do it and why do they still do it better and more consistently than most every band in the land?

It's pretty much accepted by the general populace how great the writing/performing talents of, say, Billy Joel, Elton John and Paul McCartney are. But, and it's a big but, how many of the aforementioned people have kept their musical sound progressing, fresh, new, exciting, consistently musically top-flight and expend inordinate amounts of time and energy into the total compositional process?

First of all we must acknowledge that Steely Dan is a very different animal indeed. Both Donald Fagen and Walter Becker have a deep appreciation for and understanding of the language of different kinds of musical styles (Classical, especially the Impressionistic era [listen to the chorus section of “Gaslighting Abby” for some nice whole-tone chord planing techniques that Debussy would've loved] and the Cool Jazz era [the splendiferously hip chordal sequences of the intros to “Peg”, “Dr.Wu” or throughout “Aja” harken the chords/voicings that Gil Evans favored in his 1950s arrangements for Miles Davis for example]).They also understand, unlike most other “pop” music acts, how to write for/voice/orchestrate instruments other than their own. Even before they became known as Steely Dan, when they were working for Jay and The Americans, they wrote/orchestrated string and horn parts on the Capture the Moment album. On most of their own albums they either worked in conjunction with other arrangers such as Tom Scott ( Aja and Gaucho ) or Rob Mounsey ( Gaucho ) or did it all by themselves ( Two Against Nature and Everything Must Go ) when writing the horn (brass and woodwind) parts. Check out the liner notes on most McCartney, Joel or John albums and see who did the rhythm/string/horn arrangements - you'll usually find names other than theirs listed.

With the Dan sound it's all about the VOICINGS of those great chords - what instruments get which notes to play and when - that form what we hear and call the Steely Dan Sound.

A terrific, behind-the-scenes peek into how the Dan went about creating their sounds can be found on the Rhino Company's Classic Albums video series featuring Steely Dan's almighty album Aja. Sitting at the recording console, Donald and Walter pick apart many of the sonic details that went into creating those enduring sounds we hear on especially “Deacon Blues”, “Peg” and the title cut “Aja”. At one point in the video Donald and Walter are discussing how they were looking for a certain instrument to play the high notes of the melody in the middle section of “Deacon Blues”. After experimenting with writing an actual flute part “that didn't quite cut it” they ended up using a flute-like simulation done so tastefully on a synthesizer. Longtime Dan guitarist Denny Dias reminisces about playing on “Aja” saying, “there's clusters (of notes) so close together that you can't stretch your fingers out enough to get all the notes at the same time. There are open voicings that are so wide apart that you can't reach all the notes.” Singer-great Michael McDonald reflects about laying down the vocal harmony tracks for “Peg” stating that “ “Peg” doesn't sound like much of a part, but, the harmonies (voicings) are so close. That was a real learning experience for me to sing the chords part by part myself.”

A recent visit to Howard Wright's excellent web site ( Howard Wright's Home Page/Howard's Steely Dan Chords and Tabs ) provided an extensive/exhaustive insight as to what makes the Dan sound so special. He states that it is the consistent/constant use of what the Dan call (using their own innovative term) the Mu Major Chord (which for music theory buffs is basically a major triad with an added major 2nd). Howard states that, “the chord itself is not unique to Steely Dan - but the way Donald and Walter used the chord, the voicings they chose, and the chord changes they used, made it something rather special in Steely Dan music.” He adds that, “using different voicings for the chord alters its sound, and there are some particular voicings that are used frequently in Steely Dan songs, giving a distinctive sound.” Howard breaks down the Mu Major voicings into two distinct categories: Type I (pre- Royal Scam ) and type II (especially on Aja and Gaucho ) Mu voicings. The Type II Mu Majors are referred to by Howard as the “Classic Voicings” which are found/heard in “Deacon Blues” and “Black Cow” (from Aja ) - “classics” indeed.

Also at Howard's site one can listen to/download in WAV/MP3 formats, either a sound collage of the Mu Major Chord from actual Dan songs or sound examples (played on electric piano) of the distinct and individual voicings of the chords. Once the listener becomes aurally familiar with the sounds of the various voicings of the chord played by rhythm instruments, he/she should especially listen to how the horns (brass and saxes) sound playing the Mu Major in different voicings - check out “Deacon Blues” and “Home At Last” from Aja and “Babylon Sisters” and “Gaucho” from Gaucho. The Dan created a whole new and unique musical timbre and style as a result.

As far as this writer knows, nobody on the popular music scene has consistently done or is doing what the Dan has to create their own (quasi) musical language and sound. Maybe the understated guitarist Dean Parks summed it up best about the Dan sound when he said “it is quite an amalgamation that's for sure - and it's interesting to note that it can be a hit.”


Visit Steely Dan on the web at www.steelydan.com .




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Reply #1 posted 10/20/05 10:52am

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Great thread and info! I adore many cuts by Steely. Many.
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I used to call those Steely Dan chords. Like in Fez "I want to be your holy man"

or "When Josie comes home to stay we're gonna mix in the streets."

I've written music for years and I've never known how to write using changes like that. It's like the whole song shifts gears around them.
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Mmmm...Steely Dan.... cloud9
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andyman91 said:

I used to call those Steely Dan chords. Like in Fez "I want to be your holy man"

or "When Josie comes home to stay we're gonna mix in the streets."



biggrin Yup, Those Chords exactly!!



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Reply #5 posted 10/20/05 12:08pm

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Well, I'm NO songwriter, and know next to nothing about the process, but one of my favorite song intros of al-time, by any artist, is the beginning of "Parker's Band". nod


just thinking out loud here.
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Reply #6 posted 10/20/05 1:40pm

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one of the most important bands ever
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Aah, the "MU" chord. I've always been impressed with their chord voicings.
The voicings on guitar especially. Check Negative Girl for example.

Some years ago I had to do arrangements for 2 SD tunes from Aja (Peg and Black Cow).
A section of the background vocals for Peg (regarding the intervals being used) had me stumped for a sec.

fall, shutter falls
all in 3-D
foreign movie


Michael McDonald's comment that, "the harmonies (voicings) are so close." is dead on.


This Howard Wright fellow is on the money. It's interesting that he chose the "MU chord" version split right at The Royal Scam material. IMO, this is the release where they found the sound that they continued to massage on subsequent albums through Everything Must Go.

Howard has written some interesting articles on psychoacoustics.
Along with Diane Deutsch's...



...The Psychology of Music, you'll get an understanding of how the human body reacts to music/sound.


tA

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Reply #8 posted 10/20/05 1:58pm

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origmnd said:

one of the most important bands ever



There definetly one of my favorites, both musically and lyrically.
Not to forget the session musicians that contributed to their music to
give them the sound they wanted.

My favorite songs are:


Pretzel Logic
Green Earrings
Glamour Profession
My Rival
Fez
and the song that's in my head that off "The Royal Scam" its track #2 oh,
The Caves of Altamira
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Reply #9 posted 10/20/05 2:37pm

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thanks i have been hip to that site for a few months...it opened my eyes to a few things
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Reply #10 posted 10/20/05 2:43pm

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Steely Dan is my favorite rock band of all time. Their sound is timeless and their poetic, subversive lyricism is without peer. Who else in rock history has written such heartbreaking but acidly funny couplets like:

my back to the wall, a victim of laughing chance
this is for me the essence of true romance


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theAudience said:

Aah, the "MU" chord. I've always been impressed with their chord voicings.
The voicings on guitar especially. Check Negative Girl for example.

Some years ago I had to do arrangements for 2 SD tunes from Aja (Peg and Black Cow).
A section of the background vocals for Peg (regarding the intervals being used) had me stumped for a sec.

fall, shutter falls
all in 3-D
foreign movie


Michael McDonald's comment that, "the harmonies (voicings) are so close." is dead on.


This Howard Wright fellow is on the money. It's interesting that he chose the "MU chord" version split right at The Royal Scam material. IMO, this is the release where they found the sound that they continued to massage on subsequent albums through Everything Must Go.

Howard has written some interesting articles on psychoacoustics.
Along with Diane Deutsch's...



...The Psychology of Music, you'll get an understanding of how the human body reacts to music/sound.




Man, another Kool book I gotta grab!!
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namepeace said:

Steely Dan is my favorite rock band of all time. Their sound is timeless and their poetic, subversive lyricism is without peer. Who else in rock history has written such heartbreaking but acidly funny couplets like:

my back to the wall, a victim of laughing chance
this is for me the essence of true romance


?



lol True!


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minneapolisgenius said:

Mmmm...Steely Dan.... cloud9

Insert "origin of the name 'Steely Dan'" joke here
[Edited 10/20/05 17:16pm]
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Has anybody got both of Donald Fagan's solo albums? smile
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seanski said:

Has anybody got both of Donald Fagan's solo albums? smile



...The Nightfly on disc. cool


And...



...Kamakiriad on cassette. confused


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Reply #16 posted 10/20/05 3:51pm

namepeace

seanski said:

Has anybody got both of Donald Fagan's solo albums? smile


They're both sublime!
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theAudience said:

seanski said:

Has anybody got both of Donald Fagan's solo albums? smile



...The Nightfly on disc. cool


And...



...Kamakiriad on cassette. confused


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thumbs up! I.G.Y. (What A Beautiful World) I love this song! biggrin
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seanski said:[quote]

theAudience said:




...The Nightfly on disc. cool


And...



...Kamakiriad on cassette. confused


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thumbs up! I.G.Y. (What A Beautiful World) I love this song! biggrin BTW I think Kamakiriad is out-of-print on cd, but I have it.
[Edited 10/20/05 16:00pm]
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Maxine has got to be one of my favorite songs of all time.

It's almost too perfect. cool


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theAudience said:

Maxine has got to be one of my favorite songs of all time.

It's almost too perfect. cool


tA


biggrin My Favorite Fagen Vocal Performance!! the Harmonies!!


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paligap said:


biggrin My Favorite Fagen Vocal Performance!! the Harmonies!!


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Aye matey!!!


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They have a really nice sound that reminds me of a laid back kind of cool. I really enjoy cuts like:

Peg
Hey Nineteen
Josie
FM
Time Out Of Mind
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #23 posted 10/21/05 2:38am

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Steely Dan.

horns
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andyman91 said:

minneapolisgenius said:

Mmmm...Steely Dan.... cloud9

Insert "origin of the name 'Steely Dan'" joke here
[Edited 10/20/05 17:16pm]

lol

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theAudience said:

Aah, the "MU" chord. I've always been impressed with their chord voicings.
The voicings on guitar especially. Check Negative Girl for example.

Some years ago I had to do arrangements for 2 SD tunes from Aja (Peg and Black Cow).
A section of the background vocals for Peg (regarding the intervals being used) had me stumped for a sec.

fall, shutter falls
all in 3-D
foreign movie


Michael McDonald's comment that, "the harmonies (voicings) are so close." is dead on.


This Howard Wright fellow is on the money. It's interesting that he chose the "MU chord" version split right at The Royal Scam material. IMO, this is the release where they found the sound that they continued to massage on subsequent albums through Everything Must Go.

Howard has written some interesting articles on psychoacoustics.
Along with Diane Deutsch's...



...The Psychology of Music, you'll get an understanding of how the human body reacts to music/sound.


tA

peace Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431



i love it when you wax on wax off. love
Space for sale...
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BTW I think Kamakiriad is out-of-print on cd, but I have it.
[Edited 10/20/05 16:00pm]


disbelief
http://www.amazon.com/exe...ce&s=music


$10.99 @ amazon.com
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abierman said:

seanski said:

BTW I think Kamakiriad is out-of-print on cd, but I have it.
[Edited 10/20/05 16:00pm]


disbelief
http://www.amazon.com/exe...ce&s=music


$10.99 @ amazon.com

$5.39 @ amazon.com (sealed/new) cool

Thanks for the push.


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sosgemini said:




i love it when you wax on wax off. love

lol

I'll try and talk dirty more often. wink


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theAudience said:

sosgemini said:




i love it when you wax on wax off. love

lol

I'll try and talk dirty more often. wink


tA

peace Tribal Disorder

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You may have to dumb it down for some of us though. lurking That last post of your went right over my head. lol (me not knowing anything about songwriting and all)

Psychoacoustics? hmm confuse err


again editing my spelling edit doh!
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