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Lost Rick James Proteges: Process And The Doo-Rags?

I see they have..a couple of records in Minneapolis. I just randomly listened to a couple songs, obviously all sounding very Rick in about 1985 or something.

I never even knew this xsisted...Vainandy? ANyone?

Process and the Doo Rags???
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Reply #1 posted 10/06/05 1:39am

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I remember them, haven't heard SHIT about them though. Far as I remember they had one song out...
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I also remember hearing the name, but I know nothing.
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Reply #3 posted 10/06/05 2:10am

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Process and The Doo Rags were a male vocal group that Rick James produced.Their debut album was released in 1985,containing the singles "Stomp And Shout" and "The Bells".The concept was a return to the soulful male vocal groups of the 60s....an 80s version of the Temptations.The project wasn't very successful,but they did release one other album.
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Reply #4 posted 10/06/05 3:14am

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1st album - 1985 ( produced by Rick )

" Stomp & Shout " was the first single . " " Searching For Love " is the outstanding track ( imo ) .

2nd album - 1987
http://www.musicstack.com...ul+changes
http://www.ioffer.com/i/P...bo-6365217
2 cd pressings above from this album . Both albums have been re-issued in the 90's on Japanes CD. These go for high bucks on Ebay . Great that these links could be found because the first album on CD is even rarer !


Two of the members of the doorags are singing with the stone city band. one member bunty, is a minister of the gospel now, and stacey, committed suicide some years ago. shorty and gumps is now with the band.
http://www.rickjames.com/...s+doo+rags

Stone City Band official site : www.rickfest.org
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Reply #5 posted 10/06/05 5:12am

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I remember Rick talking about them having an upcoming album around the time of his "Reflections" album in 1984. I never heard anything from them (the radio stations in my area never played any of their music) so I thought it was just a project that never happened like when Rick used to talk about making a movie and never did. I never knew they actually released anything until I got the internet and saw people talking about them at the Rick James web site. I still haven't heard any of their stuff.

Val Young is one that I have never heard of until this year. The stations in my area never played her either. I'm going to have to pick up the new "Rick James and Friends" CD so I can hear these two groups. Since they both came out in 1985, I doubt they are even in the same league as The Stone City Band, Mary Jane Girls, or Teena Marie. That's why I haven't been in a big rush to buy the CD.
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Reply #6 posted 10/06/05 5:37am

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vainandy said:

I remember Rick talking about them having an upcoming album around the time of his "Reflections" album in 1984. I never heard anything from them (the radio stations in my area never played any of their music) so I thought it was just a project that never happened like when Rick used to talk about making a movie and never did. I never knew they actually released anything until I got the internet and saw people talking about them at the Rick James web site. I still haven't heard any of their stuff.

Val Young is one that I have never heard of until this year. The stations in my area never played her either. I'm going to have to pick up the new "Rick James and Friends" CD so I can hear these two groups. Since they both came out in 1985, I doubt they are even in the same league as The Stone City Band, Mary Jane Girls, or Teena Marie. That's why I haven't been in a big rush to buy the CD.



I got that 'Rick James And Friends' CD.The two Val Young tracks ("Seduction" and "If You Should Ever Be Lonely") are excellent.Those songs got alot of airplay on our local R&B stations.There is one song from Process and The Doo Rags (a less-than-thrilling remake of the 1970 Originals hit "The Bells").I wonder why this compilation didn't include their debut hit,the uptempo "Stomp and Shout"?

I think the compilation is flawed because it is missing several tracks that really belong on this set.Where is "Party All The Time" by Eddie Murphy? Where is "Slow Dancin",that delicious funk duet with Chaka Khan?
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Reply #7 posted 10/06/05 2:57pm

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vainandy said:

I remember Rick talking about them having an upcoming album around the time of his "Reflections" album in 1984. I never heard anything from them (the radio stations in my area never played any of their music) so I thought it was just a project that never happened like when Rick used to talk about making a movie and never did. I never knew they actually released anything until I got the internet and saw people talking about them at the Rick James web site. I still haven't heard any of their stuff.

Val Young is one that I have never heard of until this year. The stations in my area never played her either. I'm going to have to pick up the new "Rick James and Friends" CD so I can hear these two groups. Since they both came out in 1985, I doubt they are even in the same league as The Stone City Band, Mary Jane Girls, or Teena Marie. That's why I haven't been in a big rush to buy the CD.



The 2 Val Yound tracks on the compilation are hot! I wish I could get one of her albums. sad
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Reply #8 posted 10/06/05 3:29pm

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Wasn't this Rick James way of compeiting w/ Prince during the 80s by promoting/producing similar bands/artists?

Vanity 6/Mary Jane Girls

The Time/Process & the Doo Rags

Even their album covers are similar right down to the zoot suits lol




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Reply #9 posted 10/06/05 3:53pm

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PhilG said:

Wasn't this Rick James way of compeiting w/ Prince during the 80s by promoting/producing similar bands/artists?

Vanity 6/Mary Jane Girls

The Time/Process & the Doo Rags

Even their album covers are similar right down to the zoot suits lol






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i was gonna post the same damn thang!! lol

it seems our boy Rick had a lil obsession with P. Has anyone watched the bonus DVD disc for the Chappelle show? He has nothing nice to say about Prince, but it all sounded like it was coming from a bitter bitter man. i know P mindfucked a lot of folks and Rick seems to be another victim.
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Reply #10 posted 10/06/05 6:47pm

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vainandy said:

I remember Rick talking about them having an upcoming album around the time of his "Reflections" album in 1984. I never heard anything from them (the radio stations in my area never played any of their music) so I thought it was just a project that never happened like when Rick used to talk about making a movie and never did. I never knew they actually released anything until I got the internet and saw people talking about them at the Rick James web site. I still haven't heard any of their stuff.

Val Young is one that I have never heard of until this year. The stations in my area never played her either. I'm going to have to pick up the new "Rick James and Friends" CD so I can hear these two groups. Since they both came out in 1985, I doubt they are even in the same league as The Stone City Band, Mary Jane Girls, or Teena Marie. That's why I haven't been in a big rush to buy the CD.


Listened to the first and second album today @ Cheapo Records in Uptown, the first one is much better than the second. Rick really molded his sound in their albums. Kinda just sound like some of Rick's throwaway trax...
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Reply #11 posted 10/06/05 7:06pm

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Wasn't Process merely a vocal group with additional backing band (Stone City Bnd) while The Time was a fully-contained unit doing vocals & instruments?
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Reply #12 posted 10/06/05 8:03pm

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paisleypark4 said:

vainandy said:

I remember Rick talking about them having an upcoming album around the time of his "Reflections" album in 1984. I never heard anything from them (the radio stations in my area never played any of their music) so I thought it was just a project that never happened like when Rick used to talk about making a movie and never did. I never knew they actually released anything until I got the internet and saw people talking about them at the Rick James web site. I still haven't heard any of their stuff.

Val Young is one that I have never heard of until this year. The stations in my area never played her either. I'm going to have to pick up the new "Rick James and Friends" CD so I can hear these two groups. Since they both came out in 1985, I doubt they are even in the same league as The Stone City Band, Mary Jane Girls, or Teena Marie. That's why I haven't been in a big rush to buy the CD.


Listened to the first and second album today @ Cheapo Records in Uptown, the first one is much better than the second. Rick really molded his sound in their albums. Kinda just sound like some of Rick's throwaway trax...


I thought it might sound like that. Who's the lady in your avatar?
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PFunkjazz said:

Wasn't Process merely a vocal group with additional backing band (Stone City Bnd) while The Time was a fully-contained unit doing vocals & instruments?


Well actually Prince & members of his band did the Time tracks on the 1st 2 albums & Prince did the vocals for Morris to follow along & faded his vocals out. So basically The Time just did these tracks in concert as a band. On another note Prince & his band has the 1st album done before a band was even picked for Morris.
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Reply #14 posted 10/06/05 8:14pm

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this is some obscure shit lol love this thread, Izak
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Reply #15 posted 10/06/05 9:33pm

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vainandy said:



I thought it might sound like that. Who's the lady in your avatar?


My mom in 1976.

this is some obscure shit love this thread, Izak


Thank you. i went to the record store lookin 4 all types of weird shit I aint never seen b4..hoping to find new funk.

Rick James also did backup singing and some production for a group called "Hot Chocolate" I believe and the song was good.
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Reply #16 posted 10/06/05 9:38pm

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paisleypark4 said:

My mom in 1976.


I see where you get your good looks from. You have her eyes.
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Reply #17 posted 10/06/05 9:41pm

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paisleypark4 said:

Rick James also did backup singing and some production for a group called "Hot Chocolate" I believe and the song was good.


I didn't know that. I love their jams "You Sexy Thing" and "Every 1's A Winner". I have their greatest hits. I'm gonna have to pull it.
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Reply #18 posted 10/06/05 9:44pm

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paisleypark4 said:

I see they have..a couple of records in Minneapolis. I just randomly listened to a couple songs, obviously all sounding very Rick in about 1985 or something.

I never even knew this xsisted...Vainandy? ANyone?

Process and the Doo Rags???



I bought the first "Doo Rags" LP when it came out. I don't remember what they were promoting as official singles but here in DC they played a lot of the remake of "A Thin Line Between Love And Hate". It was actually pretty good.
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Reply #19 posted 10/06/05 9:51pm

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Yeshua4all said:

paisleypark4 said:

I see they have..a couple of records in Minneapolis. I just randomly listened to a couple songs, obviously all sounding very Rick in about 1985 or something.

I never even knew this xsisted...Vainandy? ANyone?

Process and the Doo Rags???



I bought the first "Doo Rags" LP when it came out. I don't remember what they were promoting as official singles but here in DC they played a lot of the remake of "A Thin Line Between Love And Hate". It was actually pretty good.


Yeah aint it like the last song on side 2?
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Reply #20 posted 10/06/05 10:16pm

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eldog98 said:

PFunkjazz said:

Wasn't Process merely a vocal group with additional backing band (Stone City Bnd) while The Time was a fully-contained unit doing vocals & instruments?


Well actually Prince & members of his band did the Time tracks on the 1st 2 albums & Prince did the vocals for Morris to follow along & faded his vocals out. So basically The Time just did these tracks in concert as a band. On another note Prince & his band has the 1st album done before a band was even picked for Morris.



Which doesn't really answer my question. The point is Process & Doo-Rags are a vocal harmony doo-wop group. Morris Day & The Time or Prince & The Time are are a band. This is central to Rick James' claim to be a "king of funk" when he does not play guitar or bass above a rudimentary level (only when he's composing or putting a demo together).
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Reply #21 posted 10/06/05 10:28pm

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paisleypark4 said:[quote]

vainandy said:



My mom in 1976.

this is some obscure shit love this thread, Izak


Thank you. i went to the record store lookin 4 all types of weird shit I aint never seen b4..hoping to find new funk.

Rick James also did backup singing and some production for a group called "Hot Chocolate" I believe and the song was good.



I think that was Larry Graham, not Rick James.
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Reply #22 posted 10/06/05 10:50pm

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Yeah, I remember those cats. The very moment they dropped I INSTANTLY said "Rick is trying to get his own version of The Time." Rick was always a little salty over P's career blowuptuatin' over his.
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Reply #23 posted 10/07/05 9:17am

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PFunkjazz said:

eldog98 said:



Well actually Prince & members of his band did the Time tracks on the 1st 2 albums & Prince did the vocals for Morris to follow along & faded his vocals out. So basically The Time just did these tracks in concert as a band. On another note Prince & his band has the 1st album done before a band was even picked for Morris.



Which doesn't really answer my question. The point is Process & Doo-Rags are a vocal harmony doo-wop group. Morris Day & The Time or Prince & The Time are are a band. This is central to Rick James' claim to be a "king of funk"* when he does not play guitar or bass above a rudimentary level (only when he's composing or putting a demo together)**.


*- that would b PUNK-FUNK , & ain't it the media which hyped that up ?
** - did he confess that himself ? Still he accomplished , besides making some big selling hits , to create his own recognisable musicstyle . Easy to put down a musical ability of him , simply because it might not be someones cup a tea .
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100MPH said:

PFunkjazz said:




Which doesn't really answer my question. The point is Process & Doo-Rags are a vocal harmony doo-wop group. Morris Day & The Time or Prince & The Time are are a band. This is central to Rick James' claim to be a "king of funk"* when he does not play guitar or bass above a rudimentary level (only when he's composing or putting a demo together)**.


*- that would b PUNK-FUNK , & ain't it the media which hyped that up ?

I've heard that more fom Rick himself thn anyone else except his fans

** - did he confess that himself ? Still he accomplished , besides making some big selling hits , to create his own recognisable musicstyle . Easy to put down a musical ability of him , simply because it might not be someones cup a tea .

You're inferring a lot in that last sentence that is a wrong-minded opinion. I dig Rick James plenty. This is not a put-down, but an inescapable fact.
It's pretty evident from the concerts I've seen (plus there's footage if you haven't), he doesn't play good enough to even do a whole song, plus solo. Rick is what he is and that is an extremely powerful ballad singer. He could pull this off with any band he could hire, but it's the Stone City Band that gave Rick the funk and they never got the credits they deserved (which is why they quit doing records together).


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Okay , word 2 that .
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PFunkjazz said:

Wasn't Process merely a vocal group with additional backing band (Stone City Bnd) while The Time was a fully-contained unit doing vocals & instruments?

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Duh!!! We are talking about the overall look of the group. Damm dude anyone can see the Rick was totally fucking obsessed with P by the mid 80's. Rick even started dressing like Prince in the Glow video.
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laurarichardson said:

PFunkjazz said:

Wasn't Process merely a vocal group with additional backing band (Stone City Bnd) while The Time was a fully-contained unit doing vocals & instruments?

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Duh!!! We are talking about the overall look of the group. Damm dude anyone can see the Rick was totally fucking obsessed with P by the mid 80's. Rick even started dressing like Prince in the Glow video.



- So image-wise : yeah , in someway . But didn't a lot of acts copy the Minneapolis-look around those years ? And i never saw any purple hairdoo with braids .

- But musically : naw , their sound was totally different . Each had their own unique style ( typical guitar-chops from TwinCity / specific keyboard-loops from StoneCity ).
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laurarichardson said:

PFunkjazz said:

Wasn't Process merely a vocal group with additional backing band (Stone City Bnd) while The Time was a fully-contained unit doing vocals & instruments?

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Duh!!! We are talking about the overall look of the group. Damm dude anyone can see the Rick was totally fucking obsessed with P by the mid 80's. Rick even started dressing like Prince in the Glow video.


Silly me. Talking about music differences when I should focus on superficial crap like costumery and make-up.
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100MPH said:

laurarichardson said:


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Duh!!! We are talking about the overall look of the group. Damm dude anyone can see the Rick was totally fucking obsessed with P by the mid 80's. Rick even started dressing like Prince in the Glow video.



- So image-wise : yeah , in someway . But didn't a lot of acts copy the Minneapolis-look around those years ? And i never saw any purple hairdoo with braids .

- But musically : naw , their sound was totally different . Each had their own unique style ( typical guitar-chops from TwinCity / specific keyboard-loops from StoneCity ).


If you look at Rick's album cover (And all inside the cover) his gear is very much fashioned after P's gear. Matching color schemes with the ruffled shirt and the matching hat, bright colors...etc.
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