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PrintablePleasurePrinciple said: this actually depends on the person...some ppl dont care if their mom is being talked about badly infront of hundreds of people.If someone was talkin about my mom,joking or not,true or false things...id still be annoyed,and im not even close with my mother-its just the point of respect.
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Tessa said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Don't think so, huh? Well let's see, the "Chappelle Show" is dead in the water and with the flack BET is getting from his "performance", his future there is pretty much belly up too. So, if he still wants an audience, it's time. If he doesn't, well, c'est la vie.  belly up at BET? he's the only reason anyone's talking about this show. they ought to give him his own damn show as a thank you. this might have also been good for Mooney if people were talking about how funny he was when making fun of Ross and her husband..but nobody is.. Space for sale... | |
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Tessa said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Don't think so, huh? Well let's see, the "Chappelle Show" is dead in the water and with the flack BET is getting from his "performance", his future there is pretty much belly up too. So, if he still wants an audience, it's time. If he doesn't, well, c'est la vie. belly up at BET? he's the only reason anyone's talking about this show. they ought to give him his own damn show as a thank you. Well, given the current state of BET programming, I can only imagine how imaginative such a show would be  ... | |
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sosgemini said: Neversin said: And he shouldn't, the man has every right to say whatever the fuck he wants and if people don't like then it's their problem... Neversin. i'll agree..but i also would agree that people have the right to give him crap..and if his career is hurt from it, so be it. That's his problem then... But he'll get over it in no time... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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I neither like nor dis-like BET... I watch some programs.. others I don't. I can watch a program or turn the channel and can do so with out dis'ing the entire network. Also, I'm very familiar with Paul Mooney's routine and long ago came to an understanding of why he never optained greatness as others did using some of his jokes (I must stress 'some of'... they knew the good ones from the bad.... he never had the ability to self edit)I'm not the self-righteous or over-critical type who makes a habit of judging everything based on some standard... Typicaly, I just take things as they are. .
My entire family watched the BET Comedy awards. Up till the point Mooney took the stage... they were going OK To those who did not watch the original run or know exactly what was said... you really shouldn't post any comments defending what Mooney said because any thing you say is un-informed and actually makes you sound more in-sensitive and / or ignorant than he did that night. As I said, typically I don't cast judgement on things but... for humor like his to work.. it should be topical. Something every one could relate too because it is current news. It's 'easier' to see the humor in some things when it is the topic of the day. He compares his comments to Leno, Letterman and others (while pulling out the race card may I add) but that's exactly what they do... they joke about current topics which may have a humorous twinge to them. If it had been recent news, people including, and probably more so... Tracee Ross, would have been more prepared mentally and emotionally for those types of attacking jokes. This was a topic 2+ years old was a topic on NO ONES mind, which just came out of no where and no one was ready for. And to add to that he went after the step father too...??? WTF Didn't most of us have parents who discussed that there is a line to draw where something isnt funny but is just tasteless and mean? Even if you feel that Diana Ross for some odd reason deserved to be degraded by this idiot for her drunk driving or that the presence of Tracee Ross should not have detered his 'dated' jokes... what in hell could any one ..even if you didnt here it first hand... think would be funny craking jokes about the Jan. 2004 mountain climbing death of Ross' husband and Tracee's step-father, Arne Naess Jr.??? If he had just left it at Ross alone. maybe it would not have been as bad, but he didnt; and since they are directly related topics... it really drove what he said home as malicous personal attacks. I can't quote the jokes (me and my wife were too busy cringing and explaining to our kids this is NOT what a perosn should do) but let me attempt to illustrate the feel the jokes had: Imagine if you will, you are at an awards ceremony... you have just left the stage after receiving an award for your academic excellence. All your friends and family are there. A speaker gets on the stage after you and decides to make a few... ice breaking jokes... He calls them the 'Dumb white trash awards'. First he makes a joke about how your mama was arrested after being pulled over for DUI; he even got a slide show with pics of your mama in hand cuffs and police pulling the crystal meth from where she was hiding the it, under her sagging breast. The punch line is,"...the way her tits were saggin' she could have hid the whole freakin'lab"... of course this event was from three years ago. Then he makes a joke about your father who just died that past summer from lung cancer because,"...he was 'dumb white trash' and thought the 'Surgeon General' warning on cigarettes didnt apply to him because he was never in the military." What Mooney said used much more offensive and sharper language and to a national audiance. If you justify this kind of humor... then sorry... you too are mean and ignorant; I hope that if you are ever in a similiar situation..that you would find it funny then, and laugh as loud as everyone else at your mother and dead step-father's expense. If you don't then add hypocrit as well. | |
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Moonwalkbjrain said: Ottensen said: i feel the same way. what was the point of dogging out somebody else's child on national television because you feel like they need to be checked? reagrdless to what diana has done in her past, to me two wrongs don't make a right, and what mr. mooney did was simply UGLY....and to publically joke about someone's recently deceased step dad is in poor taste, period. what did arne ness ever do to mr. mooney to be the target of his acid tongued wrath, and in front of his step child?  it seems that either laura doesnt get it, doesnt want to get it, or has a HUGE distaste for diana----- I understand what you are saying I just don't agree with you and I do have a distaste for Mr. Ross and I don't think everybody has to bend down and kiss her tale. Nobody would be upset if Jay Leno was making fun of her. | |
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sosgemini said: Tessa said: belly up at BET? he's the only reason anyone's talking about this show. they ought to give him his own damn show as a thank you. this might have also been good for Mooney if people were talking about how funny he was when making fun of Ross and her husband..but nobody is.. ----- Just stop. People are only talking about the show because of Paul. I have seen his stand up show a few times. Dudes is funny as hell. BET knew what Paul was about when they put him the show. | |
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laurarichardson said: sosgemini said: this might have also been good for Mooney if people were talking about how funny he was when making fun of Ross and her husband..but nobody is.. ----- Just stop. People are only talking about the show because of Paul. I have seen his stand up show a few times. Dudes is funny as hell. BET knew what Paul was about when they put him the show. im sorry but why is it your telling me to stop? sure, some find mooney funny..i find his style of comedy despirite...no wit...no intelligence..just vulgar, crass and gutter attitude with an occassional curse word thrown in to get a laugh...even prior and chris rock evolved into more sophisticated humor..mooney hasnt hence him never achieving major success....sure, he has had success..but he never broke free... and no, nobody is talking about how funny mooney is..nobody here could even recite his jokes....so, i dont think this is a plus for mooney. Space for sale... | |
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QuakeXLE said: I neither like nor dis-like BET... I watch some programs.. others I don't. I can watch a program or turn the channel and can do so with out dis'ing the entire network. Also, I'm very familiar with Paul Mooney's routine and long ago came to an understanding of why he never optained greatness as others did using some of his jokes (I must stress 'some of'... they knew the good ones from the bad.... he never had the ability to self edit)I'm not the self-righteous or over-critical type who makes a habit of judging everything based on some standard... Typicaly, I just take things as they are. .
No disrespect but how many jokes have YOU laughed at at someone else's expense?My entire family watched the BET Comedy awards. Up till the point Mooney took the stage... they were going OK To those who did not watch the original run or know exactly what was said... you really shouldn't post any comments defending what Mooney said because any thing you say is un-informed and actually makes you sound more in-sensitive and / or ignorant than he did that night. As I said, typically I don't cast judgement on things but... for humor like his to work.. it should be topical. Something every one could relate too because it is current news. It's 'easier' to see the humor in some things when it is the topic of the day. He compares his comments to Leno, Letterman and others (while pulling out the race card may I add) but that's exactly what they do... they joke about current topics which may have a humorous twinge to them. If it had been recent news, people including, and probably more so... Tracee Ross, would have been more prepared mentally and emotionally for those types of attacking jokes. This was a topic 2+ years old was a topic on NO ONES mind, which just came out of no where and no one was ready for. And to add to that he went after the step father too...??? WTF Didn't most of us have parents who discussed that there is a line to draw where something isnt funny but is just tasteless and mean? Even if you feel that Diana Ross for some odd reason deserved to be degraded by this idiot for her drunk driving or that the presence of Tracee Ross should not have detered his 'dated' jokes... what in hell could any one ..even if you didnt here it first hand... think would be funny craking jokes about the Jan. 2004 mountain climbing death of Ross' husband and Tracee's step-father, Arne Naess Jr.??? If he had just left it at Ross alone. maybe it would not have been as bad, but he didnt; and since they are directly related topics... it really drove what he said home as malicous personal attacks. I can't quote the jokes (me and my wife were too busy cringing and explaining to our kids this is NOT what a perosn should do) but let me attempt to illustrate the feel the jokes had: Imagine if you will, you are at an awards ceremony... you have just left the stage after receiving an award for your academic excellence. All your friends and family are there. A speaker gets on the stage after you and decides to make a few... ice breaking jokes... He calls them the 'Dumb white trash awards'. First he makes a joke about how your mama was arrested after being pulled over for DUI; he even got a slide show with pics of your mama in hand cuffs and police pulling the crystal meth from where she was hiding the it, under her sagging breast. The punch line is,"...the way her tits were saggin' she could have hid the whole freakin'lab"... of course this event was from three years ago. Then he makes a joke about your father who just died that past summer from lung cancer because,"...he was 'dumb white trash' and thought the 'Surgeon General' warning on cigarettes didnt apply to him because he was never in the military." What Mooney said used much more offensive and sharper language and to a national audiance. If you justify this kind of humor... then sorry... you too are mean and ignorant; I hope that if you are ever in a similiar situation..that you would find it funny then, and laugh as loud as everyone else at your mother and dead step-father's expense. If you don't then add hypocrit as well. | |
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sonofblade said: Paul Mooney is taking some heat from getting on Diana Ross for drunk driving at the BET Comedy Awards. He doesnt deserve to be the villian - he didnt drive drunk, she did! For Traci Ross, if you know you mother drives drunk and people know about it, get ready to be embarrassed about it and take it like a man. That is show business and fame. It aint all champange, cherries and ass kissings. Diana Ross has been fucked up for years and someone called her on it. Negroes - those that produce those dumb ass BET shows - should get over it and themselves.
That don't make no muthafuckin' difference! Fucked up or not have some respect for somebody. I'd like to see you be somewhere and somebody tear yo' mama down for the shit she's done (celebrity or not) and let's see you sit there and take it like a man! If he was makin' the jokes without Tracy in the room fine, but if he knew she was in the room and he has some personal vendetta against Diana or Tracy settle it another way and in private, don't embarrass her like that in front of everybody! I tell you, you folks talk alot of shit and would be the first one to whip Paul Mooney's ass right up there on stage if he said somethin' about you mama and it was true too. Ah hell to the naw! | |
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Stymie said: Ya know what? Fuck Diana Ross's ass. Comedians joke about people in the audience or celebrities in the audience all the damn time. People make jokes about people behind their backs. Kudos to Mr. Mooney for saying that isht to Tracee's face. Fuck her, too..changing her name to Ross to capitilize on her mother fame. The only issue I have is with him bringing up the death of Tracee's stepdad but say what y'all wanna say, had Tracee not been in the room, muthafuckas would have been laughing their asses off.
I would've been laughing my ass off too if she wasn't in the room, but she was and I still would like to see if it was your mama how would you like somebody to talk about your mama like dog and then say Fuck you to you and your mama like you just stated above. I repeat celebrity or not it don't make no muthafuckin' difference! Have some respect and handle your differences in private not in public like an intelligent person! | |
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TurnItUp said: Stymie said: Ya know what? Fuck Diana Ross's ass. Comedians joke about people in the audience or celebrities in the audience all the damn time. People make jokes about people behind their backs. Kudos to Mr. Mooney for saying that isht to Tracee's face. Fuck her, too..changing her name to Ross to capitilize on her mother fame. The only issue I have is with him bringing up the death of Tracee's stepdad but say what y'all wanna say, had Tracee not been in the room, muthafuckas would have been laughing their asses off.
I would've been laughing my ass off too if she wasn't in the room, but she was and I still would like to see if it was your mama how would you like somebody to talk about your mama like dog and then say Fuck you to you and your mama like you just stated above. I repeat celebrity or not it don't make no muthafuckin' difference! Have some respect and handle your differences in private not in public like an intelligent person! | |
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sonofblade said: SexyBeautifulOne said: LOL, so you'd let someone disrespect your mother? I see, guess that's why your initials are SOB. Some words uttered by someone is not disrespecting my mother - she is above that. It is one of the most ignorant aspects of African American culture there is. We let silly childish things like that spur us to stupidity and violence - like the word nigger does. And the irony is your lame attempt to dis my mother by invoking initials that refer to her as a bitch. Now who is really a bitch here?   You apparently, because I didn't invoke the initials. You did when you picked your name. I just stated the obvious in reply to your post. What's ironic, no, make that pathetic...is your lame attempt at being above reproach![Edited 10/11/05 15:09pm] | |
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TurnItUp said: sonofblade said: Paul Mooney is taking some heat from getting on Diana Ross for drunk driving at the BET Comedy Awards. He doesnt deserve to be the villian - he didnt drive drunk, she did! For Traci Ross, if you know you mother drives drunk and people know about it, get ready to be embarrassed about it and take it like a man. That is show business and fame. It aint all champange, cherries and ass kissings. Diana Ross has been fucked up for years and someone called her on it. Negroes - those that produce those dumb ass BET shows - should get over it and themselves.
That don't make no muthafuckin' difference! Fucked up or not have some respect for somebody. I'd like to see you be somewhere and somebody tear yo' mama down for the shit she's done (celebrity or not) and let's see you sit there and take it like a man! If he was makin' the jokes without Tracy in the room fine, but if he knew she was in the room and he has some personal vendetta against Diana or Tracy settle it another way and in private, don't embarrass her like that in front of everybody! I tell you, you folks talk alot of shit and would be the first one to whip Paul Mooney's ass right up there on stage if he said somethin' about you mama and it was true too. Ah hell to the naw! exactlyYesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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TurnItUp said: Stymie said: Ya know what? Fuck Diana Ross's ass. Comedians joke about people in the audience or celebrities in the audience all the damn time. People make jokes about people behind their backs. Kudos to Mr. Mooney for saying that isht to Tracee's face. Fuck her, too..changing her name to Ross to capitilize on her mother fame. The only issue I have is with him bringing up the death of Tracee's stepdad but say what y'all wanna say, had Tracee not been in the room, muthafuckas would have been laughing their asses off.
I would've been laughing my ass off too if she wasn't in the room, but she was and I still would like to see if it was your mama how would you like somebody to talk about your mama like dog and then say Fuck you to you and your mama like you just stated above. I repeat celebrity or not it don't make no muthafuckin' difference! Have some respect and handle your differences in private not in public like an intelligent person! Here's a quesction: wtf was Diana Ross's daughter doing at the BET Comedy Awards? In fact, what is she doing anywhere at all? Is she famous or something? Is she a comedian? Did she buy a ticket and sit in the balcony to hoot & holler with the fans for her favorite nominee? wtf? "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: TurnItUp said: I would've been laughing my ass off too if she wasn't in the room, but she was and I still would like to see if it was your mama how would you like somebody to talk about your mama like dog and then say Fuck you to you and your mama like you just stated above. I repeat celebrity or not it don't make no muthafuckin' difference! Have some respect and handle your differences in private not in public like an intelligent person! Here's a quesction: wtf was Diana Ross's daughter doing at the BET Comedy Awards? In fact, what is she doing anywhere at all? Is she famous or something? Is she a comedian? Did she buy a ticket and sit in the balcony to hoot & holler with the fans for her favorite nominee? wtf? thats not a serious question is it? well if it is, she has a show on upn called girlfriends, maybe u heard of it. she was there recieving an award 4 her work on the show Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Moonwalkbjrain said: Tessa said: Here's a quesction: wtf was Diana Ross's daughter doing at the BET Comedy Awards? In fact, what is she doing anywhere at all? Is she famous or something? Is she a comedian? Did she buy a ticket and sit in the balcony to hoot & holler with the fans for her favorite nominee? wtf? thats not a serious question is it? well if it is, she has a show on upn called girlfriends, maybe u heard of it. she was there recieving an award 4 her work on the show that explains it. thanks. i try not to watch crap. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: Moonwalkbjrain said: thats not a serious question is it? well if it is, she has a show on upn called girlfriends, maybe u heard of it. she was there recieving an award 4 her work on the show that explains it. thanks. i try not to watch crap. Considering the amount of shows on television that showcase women of color, there isn't much to judge on whether it's crap or not. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Tessa said: that explains it. thanks. i try not to watch crap. Considering the amount of shows on television that showcase women of color, there isn't much to judge on whether it's crap or not. thats true... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Considering the amount of shows on television that showcase women of color, there isn't much to judge on whether it's crap or not. thats true... a crap show is a crap show, no matter what color its cast is. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said:[quote] sosgemini said: thats true... once black folks get enough "quality" roles then they too can make comments like you.. until then.....see ya!!! Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said:[quote] Tessa said: sosgemini said: thats true... once black folks get enough "quality" roles then they too can make comments like you.. until then.....see ya!!! quite frankly, there aren't many quality roles for white people on television either. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: sosgemini said: once black folks get enough "quality" roles then they too can make comments like you.. until then.....see ya!!! quite frankly, there aren't many quality roles for white people on television either. if thats how you feel...so be it. and while i will agree, historically white women have a greater oppurtunity then minority women. but nobody is going to deny you how you feel... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Tessa said: quite frankly, there aren't many quality roles for white people on television either. if thats how you feel...so be it. and while i will agree, historically white women have a greater oppurtunity then minority women. but nobody is going to deny you how you feel... i'm just saying that most TV is crap, and with the majority of the line-up dominated by reality shows, there aren't that many quality roles for anybody. and still... a crap show is a crap show, whether the cast is black or white. it's great that people are getting work, but i wouldn't be jumping up and down about the George Lopez show or My Wife and Kids if they were exactly the same but called According To Jim and starred Jim Belu.... oh, yeah. well anyway, you get the point. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Yeah we get it! TV in general is crap, believe me, I won't argue that!! However, I will say that the cast of "Girlfriends" do an adequate job in comparison to the rest of the portrayals of women of color on television today! I don't know about you but the last time I checked, "video hoe" didn't qualify as my reality.
"Girlfriends" is by far, a more "realistic" view of what's going on where I live! Therefore, crap, is not a term I would use to describe it! Especially, if I'd never seen it! [Edited 10/11/05 17:40pm] | |
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sonofblade said: Paul Mooney is taking some heat from getting on Diana Ross for drunk driving at the BET Comedy Awards. He doesnt deserve to be the villian - he didnt drive drunk, she did! For Traci Ross, if you know you mother drives drunk and people know about it, get ready to be embarrassed about it and take it like a man. That is show business and fame. It aint all champange, cherries and ass kissings. Diana Ross has been fucked up for years and someone called her on it. Negroes - those that produce those dumb ass BET shows - should get over it and themselves.
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Yeah we get it! TV in general is crap, believe me, I won't argue that!! However, I will say that the cast of "Girlfriends" do an adequate job in comparison to the rest of the portrayals of women of color on television today! I don't know about you but the last time I checked, "video hoe" didn't qualify as my reality.
"Girlfriends" is by far, a more "realistic" view of what's going on where I live! Therefore, crap, is not a term I would use to describe it! Especially, if I'd never seen it! [Edited 10/11/05 17:40pm] I have seen it a few times, in passing. It was enough for me to be able to evaluate it as crap. But I've got not problem if black folks want to give an award to the funniest black woman on what they deem to be the funniest black show. It's just not that good of a show. But if she's the best at what she does, then kudos to her, she deserves the award. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: TurnItUp said: I would've been laughing my ass off too if she wasn't in the room, but she was and I still would like to see if it was your mama how would you like somebody to talk about your mama like dog and then say Fuck you to you and your mama like you just stated above. I repeat celebrity or not it don't make no muthafuckin' difference! Have some respect and handle your differences in private not in public like an intelligent person! Here's a quesction: wtf was Diana Ross's daughter doing at the BET Comedy Awards? In fact, what is she doing anywhere at all? Is she famous or something? Is she a comedian? Did she buy a ticket and sit in the balcony to hoot & holler with the fans for her favorite nominee? wtf? who the hell is tell Tracy Ross where she can go and where she can't. She's a grown ass woman and got every right to be at the BEt Comedy awards, the grammies, or wherever the hell she wanna go. Due to the success of Girlfriends being their umpteeth season, Tracy is now more of a celebrity than her mother. Whether she was nominated or not wtf difference does that make!? | |
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Tessa said: sosgemini said: thats true... a crap show is a crap show, no matter what color its cast is. how do you know it's crap if you ain't even seen the g*ddamn show! | |
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Tessa said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Yeah we get it! TV in general is crap, believe me, I won't argue that!! However, I will say that the cast of "Girlfriends" do an adequate job in comparison to the rest of the portrayals of women of color on television today! I don't know about you but the last time I checked, "video hoe" didn't qualify as my reality.
"Girlfriends" is by far, a more "realistic" view of what's going on where I live! Therefore, crap, is not a term I would use to describe it! Especially, if I'd never seen it! [Edited 10/11/05 17:40pm] I have seen it a few times, in passing. It was enough for me to be able to evaluate it as crap. But I've got not problem if black folks want to give an award to the funniest black woman on what they deem to be the funniest black show. It's just not that good of a show. But if she's the best at what she does, then kudos to her, she deserves the award. I just seent this after I made my comment. If you saw the show and you don't think it's good that's your opinion. I thought you hadn't even seen it. Sorry. | |
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