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Reply #60 posted 09/29/05 8:55pm

PAPAROBBIE

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Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Snoop make remark about Ice T some years back saying he was a has been?

I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. From everything that I've read, Snoop has always had a ton of respect for Ice-T.

And, not to be rude, Snoop wishes he had the lyrical skill of Ice.



WHAT LYRICAL SKILL??? OMG...YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT?

ICE-T lost my respect in "Pimps Up Hoes Down" when he basically SHIT all over hip-hop...The man is an icon I suppose, but his flow was wack & his timing was all fornicated up.Snoop in his prime had more skill in his throwaway songs than T had in his so-called best rhymes.
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Reply #61 posted 09/29/05 8:59pm

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JACKAL said:

dancerella said:




Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Snoop make remark about Ice T some years back saying he was a has been?

I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. From everything that I've read, Snoop has always had a ton of respect for Ice-T.

And, not to be rude, Snoop wishes he had the lyrical skill of Ice.




.....interesting. I could have swore i'd read that somewhere a few years ago.
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Reply #62 posted 09/30/05 12:05am

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YEAH WHATEVER KANE IN HOUSE!

THAT SHOW MAKE POOK DANCE

WARM UP POOK!

WARM UP POOK!

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Reply #63 posted 09/30/05 5:20am

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PAPAROBBIE said:

JACKAL said:


I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. From everything that I've read, Snoop has always had a ton of respect for Ice-T.

And, not to be rude, Snoop wishes he had the lyrical skill of Ice.



WHAT LYRICAL SKILL??? OMG...YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT?

CE-T lost my respect in "Pimps Up Hoes Down" when he basically SHIT all over hip-hop...The man is an icon I suppose, but his flow was wack & his timing was all fornicated up.Snoop in his prime had more skill in his throwaway songs than T had in his so-called best rhymes.


Regardless of what he's done outside of hip-hop, the music speaks for itself. When Ice-T was at the top of his game from "Rhyme Pays" to "O.G." or maybe even "Home Invasion," there were few hip-hop lyricists better. And I love me some Snoop, but he's not the lyricist that Ice-T was. His flow was a hell of a lot more unique, though, I will say.

It's a jungle out there.
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Reply #64 posted 09/30/05 8:37am

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JACKAL said:

PAPAROBBIE said:




WHAT LYRICAL SKILL??? OMG...YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT?

CE-T lost my respect in "Pimps Up Hoes Down" when he basically SHIT all over hip-hop...The man is an icon I suppose, but his flow was wack & his timing was all fornicated up.Snoop in his prime had more skill in his throwaway songs than T had in his so-called best rhymes.


Regardless of what he's done outside of hip-hop, the music speaks for itself. When Ice-T was at the top of his game from "Rhyme Pays" to "O.G." or maybe even "Home Invasion," there were few hip-hop lyricists better. And I love me some Snoop, but he's not the lyricist that Ice-T was. His flow was a hell of a lot more unique, though, I will say.


PAPA, I'm with JACKAL on this one. As far as flow is concerned, Snoop has it all over Ice. But as far as pure lyricism is concerned, Ice's work is much more impressive and substantive than Snoop's.

I'd also throw Iceberg and Power in there as well, Jackal.
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Reply #65 posted 09/30/05 11:38am

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Ice-T was never that good of a rapper. I think his personality and subject matter, which really wasn't touched on on a large scale in the mid-late 80's (pimping, drug dealing, gangs, etc) intrigued alot of people.

Has Ice-T had a greatest hits collection released?
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Reply #66 posted 09/30/05 11:49am

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namepeace said:

JACKAL said:



Regardless of what he's done outside of hip-hop, the music speaks for itself. When Ice-T was at the top of his game from "Rhyme Pays" to "O.G." or maybe even "Home Invasion," there were few hip-hop lyricists better. And I love me some Snoop, but he's not the lyricist that Ice-T was. His flow was a hell of a lot more unique, though, I will say.


PAPA, I'm with JACKAL on this one. As far as flow is concerned, Snoop has it all over Ice. But as far as pure lyricism is concerned, Ice's work is much more impressive and substantive than Snoop's.

I'd also throw Iceberg and Power in there as well, Jackal.


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Reply #67 posted 09/30/05 11:51am

CarrieLee

I thought the Biggie tribute was a joke. Lil Kim shoulda been up there for it.
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Reply #68 posted 09/30/05 5:45pm

heckaslammin

Big daddy Kane is my favorite Rapper of all time. I had been waiting for those hip honors for three weeks and he didn't dissapoint. I was hoping that Biz Markie would come down so they could do "Rhymin' with the Biz." That's Kane's best song ever by the way.
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Reply #69 posted 09/30/05 5:47pm

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PAPAROBBIE said:

JACKAL said:


I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. From everything that I've read, Snoop has always had a ton of respect for Ice-T.

And, not to be rude, Snoop wishes he had the lyrical skill of Ice.



WHAT LYRICAL SKILL??? OMG...YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT?

ICE-T lost my respect in "Pimps Up Hoes Down" when he basically SHIT all over hip-hop...The man is an icon I suppose, but his flow was wack & his timing was all fornicated up.Snoop in his prime had more skill in his throwaway songs than T had in his so-called best rhymes.

What the hell are you smoking? Ice-T couldn't hold snoops dick as far as lyrics or the ability to flow.
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Reply #70 posted 10/01/05 1:14pm

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Big daddy Kane is my favorite Rapper of all time. I had been waiting for those hip honors for three weeks and he didn't dissapoint. I was hoping that Biz Markie would come down so they could do "Rhymin' with the Biz." That's Kane's best song ever by the way.


Get the fuck outta here...."Raw", "Set It Off", Ain't No Half Steppin' and "Wrath Of Kane" are millions of miles ahead of "Rhymin' with the Biz".
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Reply #71 posted 10/01/05 5:05pm

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I just watched the show off of Tivo and KANE ROCKED THAT SHIT!!!!!
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Reply #72 posted 10/01/05 7:04pm

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Another Victory
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Reply #73 posted 10/02/05 5:02am

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namepeace said:

JACKAL said:



Regardless of what he's done outside of hip-hop, the music speaks for itself. When Ice-T was at the top of his game from "Rhyme Pays" to "O.G." or maybe even "Home Invasion," there were few hip-hop lyricists better. And I love me some Snoop, but he's not the lyricist that Ice-T was. His flow was a hell of a lot more unique, though, I will say.


PAPA, I'm with JACKAL on this one. As far as flow is concerned, Snoop has it all over Ice. But as far as pure lyricism is concerned, Ice's work is much more impressive and substantive than Snoop's.

I'd also throw Iceberg and Power in there as well, Jackal.


I was including those also. I meant everything from "Rhyme Pays" to "O.G." and everything in the middle. But even "Home Invasion" and "Return of the Real" have some strong moments.

It's a jungle out there.
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Reply #74 posted 10/02/05 5:06am

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doeineffect said:

Ice-T was never that good of a rapper. I think his personality and subject matter, which really wasn't touched on on a large scale in the mid-late 80's (pimping, drug dealing, gangs, etc) intrigued alot of people.

Has Ice-T had a greatest hits collection released?



1. 6 'N The Mornin'
2. I'm Your Pusher
3. High Rollers
4. You Played Yourself
5. Peel Their Caps Back
6. O.G. Original Gangster
7. Colors
8. New Jack Hustler (Nino's Theme)
9. Power
10. I Ain't New Ta This
11. That's How I'm Livin'
12. I Must Stand
13. Squeeze The Trigger
14. The Tower
15. The Lane (E.V.A. Remix)
16. Money, Power, Women

It's a jungle out there.
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Reply #75 posted 10/02/05 7:08am

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namepeace said:



I'm sorry, moonwalkbjrain, that's hysterical. and sad to the extent that hip-hop is more or less about a loop and a hook these days. From Kool Herc to Jam Master Jay to Terminator X, Kid Capri, Jazzy Jeff, and the incomparable DJ Premier, a great DJ is essential element in hip-hop. Sadly, the golden age of the pure dj is disappearing fast into the underground hip-hop and dance scene.


I have to admit that I didn't like the scratching either because it interrupts the flow of the song. One second you're groovin' and then you have to stop because the dj wants to scratch...I don't get it. At least with a loop (although, I'd prefer it not be a rip off of someone else's music) theres no interruptions.

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Reply #76 posted 10/02/05 4:14pm

heckaslammin

PAPAROBBIE said:

heckaslammin said:

Big daddy Kane is my favorite Rapper of all time. I had been waiting for those hip honors for three weeks and he didn't dissapoint. I was hoping that Biz Markie would come down so they could do "Rhymin' with the Biz." That's Kane's best song ever by the way.


Get the fuck outta here...."Raw", "Set It Off", Ain't No Half Steppin' and "Wrath Of Kane" are millions of miles ahead of "Rhymin' with the Biz".

Hey man, those songs are all tight cuts too. Everybody's got a right to there opinion biggrin
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Reply #77 posted 10/02/05 5:34pm

Klove

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I only have 1 thing to say - Big Daddy Kane

TORE THAT SHIT UP!!!!!
Fo' Sho'!!! Now that is what you call real MCin'...Black Thought and Common was flowin' off the top of the dome also!!!
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Reply #78 posted 10/02/05 9:55pm

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Klove said:

eldog98 said:

I only have 1 thing to say - Big Daddy Kane

TORE THAT SHIT UP!!!!!
Fo' Sho'!!! Now that is what you call real MCin'...Black Thought and Common was flowin' off the top of the dome also!!!



Ummm...They weren't doin' anything from the dome...Those were KANE'S lyrics BT was doing "Set It Off" and Common did "RAW".
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Reply #79 posted 10/02/05 10:06pm

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Okay, I hope they repeat this shit. I gotta see it if he was that good, I thought that dude was DONE eek
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Reply #80 posted 10/02/05 11:19pm

dancerella

After seeing his performance I broke out my long live the kane cd today. That shit still rocks.
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Reply #81 posted 10/03/05 6:36pm

Klove

PAPAROBBIE said:

Klove said:

Fo' Sho'!!! Now that is what you call real MCin'...Black Thought and Common was flowin' off the top of the dome also!!!



Ummm...They weren't doin' anything from the dome...Those were KANE'S lyrics BT was doing "Set It Off" and Common did "RAW".
Its a form of expression in hip hop ...So do not take it literally!!! K.I.S.S. I know what song they were rapping and I knew it was also BDK songs....Peace
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Reply #82 posted 10/03/05 7:41pm

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Klove said:

PAPAROBBIE said:




Ummm...They weren't doin' anything from the dome...Those were KANE'S lyrics BT was doing "Set It Off" and Common did "RAW".
Its a form of expression in hip hop ...So do not take it literally!!! K.I.S.S. I know what song they were rapping and I knew it was also BDK songs....Peace

Get your "form of expressions" correct. "From the dome" implies FREESTYLING (another hip-hop expression). I go back to the Kool Herc days, so I'm not havin' it. LOL.
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Reply #83 posted 10/03/05 9:40pm

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What the hell are you smoking? Ice-T couldn't hold snoops dick as far as lyrics or the ability to flow.


You can't be serious. Ice-T has Snoop by a mile when it comes to lyrics. Snoop's flow has always been nice but Ice is the better lyricist.
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Reply #84 posted 10/04/05 5:36am

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namepeace said:

heckaslammin said:


What the hell are you smoking? Ice-T couldn't hold snoops dick as far as lyrics or the ability to flow.


You can't be serious. Ice-T has Snoop by a mile when it comes to lyrics. Snoop's flow has always been nice but Ice is the better lyricist.


clapping

So, I'm not the only reasonable person around here. Yes, Snoop's flow is one of the most extremely unique flows in all of hip-hop, but he's not famous for his lyrics. Snoop has never done anything as insightful as "I Must Stand" or "The Tower."

It's a jungle out there.
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Reply #85 posted 10/04/05 5:45am

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JACKAL said:

namepeace said:



You can't be serious. Ice-T has Snoop by a mile when it comes to lyrics. Snoop's flow has always been nice but Ice is the better lyricist.


clapping

So, I'm not the only reasonable person around here. Yes, Snoop's flow is one of the most extremely unique flows in all of hip-hop, but he's not famous for his lyrics. Snoop has never done anything as insightful as "I Must Stand" or "The Tower."



Ice-T's lyrics are better and more insightful than Snoop's but Ice's flow is sooooo wack. His timing is all shitty and sloppy.
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Reply #86 posted 10/04/05 8:15am

namepeace

PAPAROBBIE said:

JACKAL said:



clapping

So, I'm not the only reasonable person around here. Yes, Snoop's flow is one of the most extremely unique flows in all of hip-hop, but he's not famous for his lyrics. Snoop has never done anything as insightful as "I Must Stand" or "The Tower."



Ice-T's lyrics are better and more insightful than Snoop's but Ice's flow is sooooo wack. His timing is all shitty and sloppy.


Ice's flaws in delivery can be forgiven because, from the mid-1980's to early 1990's, his lyrics/stories were so compelling.
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Reply #87 posted 10/04/05 1:26pm

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namepeace said:

PAPAROBBIE said:




Ice-T's lyrics are better and more insightful than Snoop's but Ice's flow is sooooo wack. His timing is all shitty and sloppy.


Ice's flaws in delivery can be forgiven because, from the mid-1980's to early 1990's, his lyrics/stories were so compelling.


Just like Dr. Dre. People don't like him because his flow is so smooth, they like because of the production that he brings to the table.

Ice-T was around in the early stages of hip-hop when people were still perfecting the flow. If you came out today rapping like Run DMC, you'd get laughed at. Rapping has progressed. That doesn't mean that Run DMC sucks now, just because they can't spit out words as fast as Busta Rhymes.

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