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Reply #60 posted 09/28/05 2:01pm

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Ace said:

I personally believe the man is a pathological liar.

Any specific reason for the Dylan hardon? lol
(as opposed to any other lyin' celebrity that is)


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Reply #61 posted 09/28/05 2:04pm

Ace

theAudience said:

Any specific reason for the Dylan hardon?

I like some of his songs a lot. It just kinda bugs me that he tells lie after lie and a lot of people look to him as some sort of demi-god and believe whatever he says. shrug

Don't worry, I call Prince on all his bullshit, too. lol
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Reply #62 posted 09/28/05 2:49pm

JACKAL

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Ace said:

a soundalike for Kermit the Frog on "Lay, Lady, Lay"




Actually, he sounds more like Lefty Frizzell, which makes sense. Dylan was recording an album of country songs in Nashville, so he probably wanted it to sound authentic. So, he emulated one of the most influential voices in all of country music history. Now, as to why he claimed that it was because he stopped smoking is anybody's guess.

All musicians make shit up, but Dylan's is just more interesting.


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It's a jungle out there.
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Reply #63 posted 09/28/05 2:58pm

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JACKAL said:

All musicians make shit up

Everyone fibs to a certain extent, but Prince is the only musician that comes to mind for me who comes close to Dylan in this regard. Ironic that both of them are so religious. You'd think religious people would have a real problem with lying.

but Dylan's is just more interesting

How so?
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Reply #64 posted 09/28/05 3:03pm

JACKAL

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Ace said:

JACKAL said:

All musicians make shit up

Everyone fibs to a certain extent, but Prince is the only musician that comes to mind for me who comes close to Dylan in this regard. Ironic that both of them are so religious. You'd think religious people would have a real problem with lying.

but Dylan's is just more interesting

How so?

How about this, it's more interesting to me. They make me laugh. I suppose maybe it's less about what he says and more about the way people lap it up. shrug Dylan will always have the last laugh.

It's a jungle out there.
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Reply #65 posted 09/28/05 3:05pm

Ace

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Ace said:


How so?

How about this, it's more interesting to me.

Fair enough.

I suppose maybe it's less about what he says and more about the way people lap it up.

That's what I find scary.

Dylan will always have the last laugh.

On people who do not question what they're told, yes.
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Reply #66 posted 09/28/05 6:46pm

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kisscamille said:

andyman91 said:



It just seems odd to give press conferences and not say anything. I guess he was forced into them.


Exactly! The record company sets these up and expects him to be present, but it's up to him what he answers and how. At least he doesn't give interviews where he has someone else answer for him (like P).

lol
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Reply #67 posted 09/29/05 12:49pm

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mynameisnotsusan said:[quote]

Moonwalkbjrain said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

Dylan fans are crazier than P fans biggrin Bunch of drugged maniacs almost demanding he lead a revolution! There was a guy who went through Dylans garbage to decipher meaning to his lyrics and advertised for a sample of his urine. No wonder the guy was evasive.[/quote]

no way! are u serious?!


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The Times



June 18, 2004


Celebrity obsession - it's all garbage
By Nigel Williamson
When the young Bob Dylan has a stalker, he met him face to face


STALKERS go with the territory when you're a celebrity and Bob
Dylan's visit to Britain this week will be accompanied by rigorous security.
Yet back in the early 1970s, when the security was nonexistent, Dylan was
subjected to a bizarre case of stalking. An obsessive fan regularly raided
his dustbins and analysed his garbage in an attempt to decipher his songs
and decode the secrets of the singer's life.


Alan Jules Weberman would nowadays be the subject of a court
order. Back in those more innocent times Dylan offered to meet him for a
chat. He also put in two lengthy and candid phone calls to Weberman, the
tapes of which have long been in private circulation.


Now they are being officially released on CD for the first time.
The tapes make fascinating listening. Dylan tries reason, bullying, mockery
and even appealing to Weberman's better nature. At one point, he tells him
he's going to write a song about him called Pig, and threatens to have
badges made up with the word superimposed on Weberman's face.


"You go through garbage like a pig. You're a pig mentality,"
Dylan taunts. These astonishing exchanges continue for almost an hour.


Born in 1945, Weberman became obsessed with Dylan in the
mid-Sixties while studying at Michigan State University. There he invented
"Dylanology", the name he gave to his detailed textual analysis of his
songs. "I realised it was poetry and required interpretation," he says. "So
I developed the Dylanological Method."


One of his theories was that Dylan had left clues to his alleged
drug addiction scattered throughout his songs. In an attempt to prove this
contention, he placed an advert in a New York newspaper, seeking a specimen
of Dylan's urine.


When that didn't work, he hit upon the idea of going through the
dustbins outside Dylan's unguarded house in Greenwich Village. He didn't
find any evidence of drug addiction. But he did find a discarded letter to
Johnny Cash, a track list of out-takes from a recent album, a postcard from
Dylan's mother and a royalty statement for $149,000.


An excited Weberman then declared that he had invented a new
science called "garbology", pronounced himself the world's greatest
authority on Dylan and started writing newspaper articles analysing what
could be deduced about Dylan's art from what he had found in his dustbin.


Then he formed the Dylan Liberation Front, dedicated to
persuading Dylan to write protest songs again, and had badges made up with
slogans such as "Free Bob Dylan from Himself" and "Dylan's Brain Belongs to
the People".


At first Dylan treated it as a humorous prank. He filled his
dustbins with every noxious substance he could find and even set booby
traps. But Weberman wasn't put off.


Remarkably, at this point Dylan suggested a meeting, even
rolling up his shirt sleeves to show there were no needle marks when
Weberman accused him of being a junkie. Yet the meeting and subsequent phone
calls failed to persuade Weberman to desist.


Yet Dylan appears to have taken advice from his obsessive fan.
One of the most interesting exchanges on the tapes involves Weberman asking
him to play a charity concert. "I'm talking about a benefit concert in
Madison Square Garden, you could play to 20,000 people for free," he urged.
Six months later Dylan appeared at the venue with George Harrison to raise
funds for Bangladesh.


In 1980 - the year that another obsessive rock fan called Mark
Chapman murdered John Lennon - Weberman published a book called My Life in
Garbology. But garbology eventually caught up with him. In the late 1990s he
was sent to prison for supplying drugs. He was convicted on evidence found
in his dustbin.


a.. Bob Dylan: The Classic Interviews Vol 2 - The Weberman Tapes
is out now on Chrome Dreams


eek wow, i think thats the craziest thing i have ever heard, i sooooo want that cd tho
Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
...And i'm gonna be groovy in it!
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Reply #68 posted 09/29/05 12:51pm

Moonwalkbjrain

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Ace said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:



eek ...falloff now why would he do a stupid thing like that?

I dunno. Why would he claim that his voice suddenly turning into a soundalike for Kermit the Frog on "Lay, Lady, Lay" was the result of giving up smoking? Why would he fabricate wild tales about his upbringing? shrug He's big on building his mystique. rolleyes I personally believe the man is a pathological liar.
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drool lay lady lay, he sounds soo dreammmmmy....
however the tales about his wild upbringing i can understand. i view it the same way i view princes lies about that subject, it makes u more interesting. if people here he's just from hibbing minnesota it aint as interesting as him being a circus traveller or whatever
Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
...And i'm gonna be groovy in it!
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