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PrintableJanfriend said: ehuffnsd said: is it ok for Gloria Estefan and Emilio to play this? Gloria is a cuban native, so why not? Emilio is Lebanese really? i never knew that about Emilio. Is that why he was eager to work with Shaikra? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Janfriend said: Most cuban music is Afro-Cuban is it ok for Gloria Estefan and Emilio to play this? No. |
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Rhondab said: TheCrucialExperience said: So if you wanna be known as Black, where do you say you're from? Where is the land of Black? Are we ALL REALLY black in color? Where are your roots if you're just known as Black? Should Chinese people be known as Yellow? Native Americans known as Red? Sorry, but I like to know where my heritage and people have come from, so I prefer African-American. It gives me heritage and a home base as opposed to some made up Govt word of Black. you're statement is about nationality not about RACE. Two different issues totally. I actually think the Black connects me more with others of the same race (if I need to feel connected) than african-american which only speaks to black folks from and living in america and actually, Charlize Theron is african american....she's from south africa....or John Kerry's wife...she's also south african. So...does it describe RACE or nationality.....it doesn't do both. This is way not everyone who is black identifies with "african-american". And I know a few Africans who don't care for black americans calling themselves "african" american.  thank you, you just expressed everything i was thinking about the post that preceeded yours; maybe not for everyone who's contributing to this topic but at least for me, you are so on point.
and in terms of what really constitutes the meaning of what "african american" or even just plain african, as a black woman, an american expatriate to europe, and a person who has spent a fair amount of time over there IN the motherland, i've learned that we can no longer assume that "black " and "african" are mutually exclusive: I've spent a good degree of time in the south africa, i have many friends and colleaugues from there both black and white (and l'awd h'ammercy if they don't have, like New Orleans gens de colour librés, a race of mixed folks that they simply call colored), but basically, what i've learned is that no matter what color they may be, whether we americans like it or not, the charlize therons and teresa heinzes of the world are truly african and moreso than the majority of so-called african americans could ever hope to be. when i walk through the streets of capetown in the south, or even hammamet in tunisia in north africa...it is glaringly clear that beyond semblances in appearance, and some similarities in foods that we eat...Y'ALL, black Americans have heritage ties to Africa, but the culture of Africa is not our culture. and as rohndab mentioned in her post, many africans take offense to black americans claiming africa as some exclusive cultural right as a way to qualify themselves in the world (the lectures i've received about this over the past 10 years of traveling there would BLOW your mind)! | |
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smellmyfunk said: Kim69 said: wow shouldn't that question be irrelivent.....well since you asked i like the group Tool, David Bowie, NIN, Norah Jones, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, The Doors, man this question needs to be answered when i have had more sleep..... i thought Norah Jones was half indian. she is, but even in india they have a HEAVY caste system. they go from white to black just like many other countries.....so depending on where her daddy ravi falls within that system would determine whether or not indians view her as not "white"... | |
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thesexofit said: Ha, she likes aerosmith, they suck.
Are we really gonna talk about taste?? 
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lilgish said: RipHer2Shreds said: Just my observation, but this seems fairly common to me. There's a large and varied population of different African peoples in my neighborhood. I know a couple of people from Kenya and Tanzania who sort of roll their eyes at the notion by some black Americans that they're "desceneded from kings and queens." Obviously, not everybody feels this way, but it's interesting that a so-called outsider sometimes has a better grasp of our race relations than we do. Every time I hear that King and Queen shit I say. 
Being a descendant from a monarchy doesn’t make me feel anything but ill. The truth is I’m more likely the descendants of those who were servants of those Kings and Queens. [Edited 9/17/05 15:45pm] 
I'm sorry, I know that the comment was meant in earnest, but, I think it just cracked me up because I came to the same conclusion a very long time ago... | |
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Eraserhead said: I apologize if I offended people with this tread, it wasn't my intention to turn this into a race debate.
For those who said interesting things, thank you! Jacktheimprovident, nice post also. Did you know that the saxophone was invented by Adolph Sax, a Belgian (as I am), so in a way, Belgium sure had its share in the creation of jazz (Coltrane, Parker, Rollins.. you owe us!)  Oooh! Point taken! So then you know what we should do? We should start our own club: The Belgian-Black American Jazz Society- in order to promote education and discussion bewteen our two cultures on how we've influenced each other, and impacted one of the most important music idioms the world over! Orgnote me, kid  ! You've just given me an idea! | |
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Ottensen said: Rhondab said: you're statement is about nationality not about RACE. Two different issues totally. I actually think the Black connects me more with others of the same race (if I need to feel connected) than african-american which only speaks to black folks from and living in america and actually, Charlize Theron is african american....she's from south africa....or John Kerry's wife...she's also south african. So...does it describe RACE or nationality.....it doesn't do both. This is way not everyone who is black identifies with "african-american". And I know a few Africans who don't care for black americans calling themselves "african" american. thank you, you just expressed everything i was thinking about the post that preceeded yours; maybe not for everyone who's contributing to this topic but at least for me, you are so on point.
and in terms of what really constitutes the meaning of what "african american" or even just plain african, as a black woman, an american expatriate to europe, and a person who has spent a fair amount of time over there IN the motherland, i've learned that we can no longer assume that "black " and "african" are mutually exclusive: I've spent a good degree of time in the south africa, i have many friends and colleaugues from there both black and white (and l'awd h'ammercy if they don't have, like New Orleans gens de colour librés, a race of mixed folks that they simply call colored), but basically, what i've learned is that no matter what color they may be, whether we americans like it or not, the charlize therons and teresa heinzes of the world are truly african and moreso than the majority of so-called african americans could ever hope to be. when i walk through the streets of capetown in the south, or even hammamet in tunisia in north africa...it is glaringly clear that beyond semblances in appearance, and some similarities in foods that we eat...Y'ALL, black Americans have heritage ties to Africa, but the culture of Africa is not our culture. and as rohndab mentioned in her post, many africans take offense to black americans claiming africa as some exclusive cultural right as a way to qualify themselves in the world (the lectures i've received about this over the past 10 years of traveling there would BLOW your mind)! Again, who left you guys in charge of telling African-Americans where their culture is? I don't speak for ALL African-Americans so how can you? Again, if someone can tell me where the land of Black is, I'll THEN start calling myself Black but until then you won't see me claim a crayon color as my heritage. Sorry. And as for Charlize claiming African-American - good for her! She can actually claim that, who cares? African-Americans can't lay claim to being ONE COLOR so why is this any different, but even better, why is this even an issue? There are African-Americans that can pass as Whites, right? Nothing is absolute. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: Ottensen said: thank you, you just expressed everything i was thinking about the post that preceeded yours; maybe not for everyone who's contributing to this topic but at least for me, you are so on point.
and in terms of what really constitutes the meaning of what "african american" or even just plain african, as a black woman, an american expatriate to europe, and a person who has spent a fair amount of time over there IN the motherland, i've learned that we can no longer assume that "black " and "african" are mutually exclusive: I've spent a good degree of time in the south africa, i have many friends and colleaugues from there both black and white (and l'awd h'ammercy if they don't have, like New Orleans gens de colour librés, a race of mixed folks that they simply call colored), but basically, what i've learned is that no matter what color they may be, whether we americans like it or not, the charlize therons and teresa heinzes of the world are truly african and moreso than the majority of so-called african americans could ever hope to be. when i walk through the streets of capetown in the south, or even hammamet in tunisia in north africa...it is glaringly clear that beyond semblances in appearance, and some similarities in foods that we eat...Y'ALL, black Americans have heritage ties to Africa, but the culture of Africa is not our culture. and as rohndab mentioned in her post, many africans take offense to black americans claiming africa as some exclusive cultural right as a way to qualify themselves in the world (the lectures i've received about this over the past 10 years of traveling there would BLOW your mind)! Again, who left you guys in charge of telling African-Americans where their culture is? I don't speak for ALL African-Americans so how can you? Again, if someone can tell me where the land of Black is, I'll THEN start calling myself Black but until then you won't see me claim a crayon color as my heritage. Sorry. And as for Charlize claiming African-American - good for her! She can actually claim that, who cares? African-Americans can't lay claim to being ONE COLOR so why is this any different, but even better, why is this even an issue? There are African-Americans that can pass as Whites, right? Nothing is absolute. still miss the point again.... just orgnote something sexy to me you african american black ass negro...  | |
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Rhondab said: TheCrucialExperience said: Again, who left you guys in charge of telling African-Americans where their culture is? I don't speak for ALL African-Americans so how can you? Again, if someone can tell me where the land of Black is, I'll THEN start calling myself Black but until then you won't see me claim a crayon color as my heritage. Sorry. And as for Charlize claiming African-American - good for her! She can actually claim that, who cares? African-Americans can't lay claim to being ONE COLOR so why is this any different, but even better, why is this even an issue? There are African-Americans that can pass as Whites, right? Nothing is absolute. still miss the point again.... just orgnote something sexy to me you african american black ass negro... LOL! What point! And that post wasn't to address your earlier comments at all. Now come to bed, dammit! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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CalhounSq said: thesexofit said: Ha, she likes aerosmith, they suck.
Are we really gonna talk about taste??
I dont know calhoun, aerosmith really should be as embarrassing as michael bolton. For ages now, just power ballad after poer ballad. And not good ones either (unlike Michaels  )
Nice video. Shockinly crap song. 
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lilgish said: .....It's fine to say Black. I've never heard a Black person use that to describe themselves. Real African-Americans should be people who are born in Africa and come to the U.S. African American is some made up shit Jessie I think wanted everyone to use that came out of Afro-American.
THANK YOU! I'd like to know when the f--- black became a bad word. I grew on "Say it Loud, I'm Black & I'm Proud." Black was beautiful during the 60's, and it's beautiful now. When my non-black friends start that "African-American" sh!t, I just tell them stop the madness. As for white artists, I'm a big fan of early 90's alt rock(Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, etc). Chris Cornell & Layne Staley(RIP) rule. I don't listen to much new stuff, mostly classic R&B, old skool hip-hop along with alt rock. IMO, today's R&B is pathetic - weak-ass vocals over beats I heard in high school & college. | |
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CinisterCee said: lilgish said: Black is Black is Black is Black...
 too black, too strong.... | |
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thesexofit said: CalhounSq said: Are we really gonna talk about taste??
I dont know calhoun, aerosmith really should be as embarrassing as michael bolton. For ages now, just power ballad after poer ballad. And not good ones either (unlike Michaels )
Nice video. Shockinly crap song.
Aerosmith vs hammer? In this place, aerosmith would win unfortunately. Whatever dude, I'd much rather see Aerosmith in concert than Hammer right about now  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Stax said: theAudience said: Waiting for the day when the race/ethnicity/nationality/gender/orientation wars end...
...and we can all just be members of the Human Race. 
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TheCrucialExperience said: Kim69 said: wow shouldn't that question be irrelivent.....well since you asked i like the group Tool, David Bowie, NIN, Norah Jones, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, The Doors, man this question needs to be answered when i have had more sleep..... Norah Jones isn't white. I totally forgot.....it was late i was tired..... 'Love will be your Soldier' - Nikka Costa
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Kim69 said: TheCrucialExperience said: Norah Jones isn't white. I totally forgot.....it was late i was tired..... You're excused!  "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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