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PrintableWaiting for the day when the race/ethnicity/nationality/gender/orientation wars end...
...and we can all just be members of the Human Race. 
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TheCrucialExperience said: boriquateddy said: I guess the label "Latino" would be the lesser of two evils...but I would rather be referred to a "Boriqua" even more so the Puerto Rican. Ok, cool. Thanks for the heads up. Are you well-versed on the whole Boriqua issue? If so, would Cubans fall under that term as well? ould you tell me all who falls under the umbrella of Boriqua or is it just Ricans? Boriqua is a word derived from Borinquen which is what Puerto Rico was called by it's indiginous inhabitants the Taino Indians...it's inherent meaning "home of the brave Lord" so in answer to your question No Cubans,and Dominicans would not be considered Boriqua's,however on a broader sense we are all considered Caribeños because we are so called Latino's of the Carribean region of course,with many of us being racially diverse in our own genetic make-up. Boriqua is word that has become a word of solidarity,cultural pride and cultural identification for all Puerto Ricans regardless of our color and race. I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
I am not taína. Taíno is in me, but there is no way back. I am not european. Europe lives in me, but I have no home there. I am new. History made me. My first language was spanglish. And I am | |
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boriquateddy said: TheCrucialExperience said: Ok, cool. Thanks for the heads up. Are you well-versed on the whole Boriqua issue? If so, would Cubans fall under that term as well? ould you tell me all who falls under the umbrella of Boriqua or is it just Ricans? Boriqua is a word derived from Borinquen which is what Puerto Rico was called by it's indiginous inhabitants the Taino Indians...it's inherent meaning "home of the brave Lord" so in answer to your question No Cubans,and Dominicans would not be considered Boriqua's,however on a broader sense we are all considered Caribeños because we are so called Latino's of the Carribean region of course,with many of us being racially diverse in our own genetic make-up. Boriqua is word that has become a word of solidarity,cultural pride and cultural identification for all Puerto Ricans regardless of our color and race. Ok, thanks. Good shit, bro. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Eraserhead said: I got a question for the brothers and sisters around here.
Music is color blind to me. In the words of the late great Blues man John Lee Hooker, " When you close your eyes while listening to the music, what do you see? But I will throw out some names who I like. Dave Matthews, John Mellencamp, Sting, Peter Gabriel, John Mayer, Teena Marie, Alanis Morrisette(The Angry Alanis, not the Artsy Fartsy one) Joss Stone. Jamie Collum, Johnny Cash(Okay, now I'm afraid my ghetto pass is about to be revoked)Jon B. The ones I don't care for. Vanilla Ice, Limp Bizquik, Sonny, of Sonny and Cher(His singing makes me want to get even) and any Country Western artist who Yodels. That is the most Gawd awful sound ever.Who are in your opinions the best 'white' artists? Are there white artists you really dislike? I'm just curious. | |
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Janfriend said: Rhondab said: notice...I said to describe race...not nationality. Difference. Black doesn't describe race, negroid does. So the most accurate would be Negro just like caucasian comes from caucasoid. Asians don't call themselves yellow, Native Americans don't call themselves red, people from the middle east don't don't call themselves maze or whatever color that would classify them If anything I am an American African -- and American of African descent. American first, african second. I would say the same for my people in other countries, their country first, descent second Of course the term is negroid.  I'm really a bright person...lol...for real. I dont think you even really addressed the issue I was speaking of either. You and crucial can all yourselves african-american, american-african or whatever...but at the end of the day....it still really speaks of nationality and descent and not necessarily race. We are still talking about two different issues. And Irish American isn't going to argue that he/she still isn't white. But because we want the term 'african american' to describe a race of a ppl living in america, I'm just saying, its not accurate. Just my little ole opinion.
once again..... I was saying that I don't think the term accurately describes the make up of black ppl living in america. Its a different conversation to speak on how you want to be connected to your descent. Hell, I don't mind Negro. Its accurate. A Negro who lives in america.  [Edited 9/18/05 15:28pm] | |
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theAudience said: Waiting for the day when the race/ethnicity/nationality/gender/orientation wars end...
...and we can all just be members of the Human Race.
From my inner Hippie -
tA Tribal Disorder
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Stax said: theAudience said: Waiting for the day when the race/ethnicity/nationality/gender/orientation wars end...
...and we can all just be members of the Human Race.
From my inner Hippie -
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 CO- take a bath hippy! Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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TheCrucialExperience said: kpowers said: she still has white in her Only when her boyfriend spends the night.  Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Eraserhead said: I got a question for the brothers and sisters around here.
Who are in your opinions the best 'white' artists? Are there white artists you really dislike? I'm just curious. [quote]Interesting topic, glad you brought it up. It's not so much being a "white" artist that's good. To me personally, if you're good and honest or interesting in what you're doing you're good period. I like: David Bowie Elton John John Mayer Radio Head Led Zepplin AC DC Steely Dan Hall & Oats Pink Floyd The Cure Depeche Mode The Clash The Eagles Fleetwood Mac/ Stevie Nicks INXS Duran Duran Patsy Cline Christina Aguilara Madonna Jamiroquai(jason Kay) Foo Fighters Red Hot Chili Peppers Paul McCartney/Wings Gwen Stephany (spell) I hate The Simpson sisters Brittany Spears Justin Timberlake (after the janet mess) Rob Thomas Any of those whiney psuedo rock groups that they are always featuring on Vh1 Courtney Love Moby Beck Cold Play | |
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I don't think about my music collection in terms of great black or great white music. If it sounds good to me, that's all that matters. I did get some grief in middle and high school because I didn't hang out with all black cliques, and it was pretty well known at the time that I was into Duran Duran. I just happened to hang out with a diverse group in school, and that was what they listened to. If they really gave a darn about me and what I listened to, then would have found out that my foundation was in R&B, disco, and funk.
I love going to pop/rock and do the African American count of attendance. Yes it's small, but sometimes you get surprised. Fave artists: Duran Duran, Bobby Caldwell, The Art of Noise, Coldplay, Third Eye Blind, Madonna, Nikka Costa, Audioslave, Hall & Oates, U2, Maroon 5, Teena Marie, The Police, Sting (solo), Billy Idol, The Beatles, The Doors, The Clash, Tommy James & the Shondells, The Monkees (I loved the tv show, and their music was infectious  ), Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles, Alanis Morrisette, Fiona Apple.
The only ones who really annoy me or that I don't get are Britney, and EMO music, and I can't get into hard core heavy metal, and I don't listen to country much. "Funkyslsistah… you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude"!
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if you are black or african american or whatever term you want to you, you can only like artist that have the same or similar skin color?
Is Gloria Estefan white or black? its kinda limiting to only fit in a box don't you think? since i'm of Irish and German descent should i only listen to people of European decent? Would I have to throw out my Gloria Estefan? should i quit the org because it is a fansite for an artist who isn't of my same skin tone? but what about the issue where most african/black americans aren't 100% of African decent? OMG!! I'm so confused. What about Native American artists? I'm 1/32 Cherokee, i have the paperwork to prove it and my grandfather was a a member of the CHerokee nation, is that enough of a heritage to ok my owning Native American Music or do i throw that out? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: if you are black or african american or whatever term you want to you, you can only like artist that have the same or similar skin color?
Is Gloria Estefan white or black? its kinda limiting to only fit in a box don't you think? since i'm of Irish and German descent should i only listen to people of European decent? Would I have to throw out my Gloria Estefan? should i quit the org because it is a fansite for an artist who isn't of my same skin tone? but what about the issue where most african/black americans aren't 100% of African decent? OMG!! I'm so confused. What about Native American artists? I'm 1/32 Cherokee, i have the paperwork to prove it and my grandfather was a a member of the CHerokee nation, is that enough of a heritage to ok my owning Native American Music or do i throw that out? gets a little much huh....  | |
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brings to mind a fresh prince skit:
white boy: hey will, if your tired, try this. It always works for me...(reaches in hos locker to grab pep-pills) Will: no I don't think listening to bruce springsteen works for me! It was not in vain...it was in Minneapolis! | |
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funkyslsistah said: I love going to pop/rock and do the African American count of attendance. Yes it's small, but sometimes you get surprised. I go to a lot of rock shows every year and usually I don't really notice how many other Black people are in attendance--there are always at least a few other brothas and sistas at every show. However, last week I went to see Regina Spektor perform at Irving Plaza which holds about 1000 people. She's a young Russian-Jewish pianist that grew up in the Bronx. I casually looked around during the show to get a look at the crowd and could only find one other Black person there. That was the only concert where I really noticed the lack of color in the audience. Aren't African Americans into Russian-Jewish pianists? | |
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sextonseven said: Aren't African Americans into Russian-Jewish pianists?
Eugene Maslov... 
...The Fuse Is Lit Definitely Russian (don't know about Jewish) Jazz pianist that can play his ass off. Ably assisted on this release by pros like Hubert Laws (flute), Vinnie Colaiuta (drums) & Pete Christlieb (sax). Produced by former Crusaders drummer Stix Hooper. tA Tribal Disorder
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I listen to a lot of Cuban music. I can't understand any of it, but I love the music and the sound. It doesn't matter to me what colour/race the musician is as long as I enjoy the sound and vibe. I also like some South African music too and I can't understand that either. | |
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theAudience said: sextonseven said: Aren't African Americans into Russian-Jewish pianists?
Eugene Maslov...
...The Fuse Is Lit Definitely Russian (don't know about Jewish) Jazz pianist that can play his ass off. Ably assisted on this release by pros like Hubert Laws (flute), Vinnie Colaiuta (drums) & Pete Christlieb (sax). Produced by former Crusaders drummer Stix Hooper. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Something tells me that although he is Russian, his music sounds nothing like Regina Spektor. Just look at the difference in album covers.
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This is an unfair poll since black fans of Prince are a bit more open minded musically then your average music fan, of any color. I'd say most blacks like black artists. Complex reasons for this, from the hipness factor, to the groove element or the idea that listening to white music makes you a sell out, in some ways.
But as I said, Prince fans of all colors are a bit more open to all forms of music. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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sextonseven said: theAudience said: Eugene Maslov...
...The Fuse Is Lit Definitely Russian (don't know about Jewish) Jazz pianist that can play his ass off. Ably assisted on this release by pros like Hubert Laws (flute), Vinnie Colaiuta (drums) & Pete Christlieb (sax). Produced by former Crusaders drummer Stix Hooper. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Something tells me that although he is Russian, his music sounds nothing like Regina Spektor. Just look at the difference in album covers.
Not hip to Regina but i'm sure you're correct.
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CalhounSq said: Odd question but...
REALLY like: Fiona Apple Nikka Costa Teena Marie Courtney Love Rolling Stones Stone Temple Pilots AudioSlave Aerosmith Like enough to own some music: Beth Hart Sheryl Crow Green Day U2 Madonna Radiohead John Mellencamp Wendy & Lisa Elton John Billy Joel Steppenwolf Beck The Doors Led Zeppelin Hall & Oates Simple Minds Pat Benatar Blondie Eric Clapton Fuck, there's too many to mention. GREATLY dislike: The fluffy pop muufuckas... Brittany Spears, Justin Timberlake, the Simpson girls, shit like that... damn, co-sign all of that. except there is this one Justin Timberlake song that well... nevermind  | |
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Universaluv said: CalhounSq said: Odd question but...
REALLY like: Fiona Apple Nikka Costa Teena Marie Courtney Love Rolling Stones Stone Temple Pilots AudioSlave Aerosmith Like enough to own some music: Beth Hart Sheryl Crow Green Day U2 Madonna Radiohead John Mellencamp Wendy & Lisa Elton John Billy Joel Steppenwolf Beck The Doors Led Zeppelin Hall & Oates Simple Minds Pat Benatar Blondie Eric Clapton Fuck, there's too many to mention. GREATLY dislike: The fluffy pop muufuckas... Brittany Spears, Justin Timberlake, the Simpson girls, shit like that... damn, co-sign all of that. except there is this one Justin Timberlake song that well... nevermind Ha, she likes aerosmith, they suck. | |
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lilgish said: babynoz said: As for white artist I find really yukky; Megadeth so why do you find megadeth yukky?I dunno Lilgish, I guess I scare easily. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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sosgemini said: Janfriend said: Black doesn't describe race, negroid does. So the most accurate would be Negro just like caucasian comes from caucasoid. Asians don't call themselves yellow, Native Americans don't call themselves red, people from the middle east don't don't call themselves maze or whatever color that would classify them If anything I am an American African -- and American of African descent. American first, african second. I would say the same for my people in other countries, their country first, descent second yeah..but i still say that when it comes to race and/or nationality, let each individual claim what they want..... heck, if someone wants and feels they are martian....let that martian reign!!! Yep, I guess that's all we can do since people can identify themselves all sorts of different ways. My Mom gave birth to me in America but if she'd birthed me in Japan or Siberia or Bucharest I'd still be black. By the same token, if I emigrate to Spain tomorrow, I'll still be.....Black. You could call me African American, Black, Negro, or person of color. As long as it's not something derogatory it's fine by me. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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thesexofit said: Universaluv said: damn, co-sign all of that. except there is this one Justin Timberlake song that well... nevermind Ha, she likes aerosmith, they suck. Ye who carryeth the Rico Suave quote lacketh any music credibility | |
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Laura Nyro Joni Mitchell Teena Marie U2 Tim Buckley Kate Bush Tori Amos Wendy & Lisa The Beatles The Doors The Police Jethro Tull Fleetwood Mac And some other people I can't think of right now. I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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CalhounSq said: Odd question but...
REALLY like: Teena Marie Can Teena Marie really be considered white music? I mean, she's white, but she's got real R&B soul. I bet she has far more black fans. Don't hurt me, I'm a newb. I'm supposed to be stupid. | |
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doctamario said: CalhounSq said: Odd question but...
REALLY like: Teena Marie Can Teena Marie really be considered white music? I mean, she's white, but she's got real R&B soul. I bet she has far more black fans. the question is "white artist" not the style of music, thus she falls under as a white artist (doesn't matter if most of her fans are black) |
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kisscamille said: I listen to a lot of Cuban music. I can't understand any of it, but I love the music and the sound. It doesn't matter to me what colour/race the musician is as long as I enjoy the sound and vibe. I also like some South African music too and I can't understand that either.
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Janfriend said: kisscamille said: I listen to a lot of Cuban music. I can't understand any of it, but I love the music and the sound. It doesn't matter to me what colour/race the musician is as long as I enjoy the sound and vibe. I also like some South African music too and I can't understand that either.
Most cuban music is Afro-Cuban is it ok for Gloria Estefan and Emilio to play this? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Janfriend said: Most cuban music is Afro-Cuban is it ok for Gloria Estefan and Emilio to play this? Gloria is a cuban native, so why not? Emilio is Lebanese | |
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